Bob Estey
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I was able to completely stop indulging in the behavior that I knew to be sinful.
Can people in Heaven know?
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Bob Estey
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This was a complete transformation, enough so that I understood the reason we need to repent. That doesn't mean we still don't have to deal with tempation, and it doesn't mean we won't slip sometimes.
As for Paul, when he said he was the "chief" sinner, I believe he was referring to his past persecution of Christians.
Bob Estey
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Politician? What have I to gain by encouraging everyone to repent of their sin? I am simply passing along the message Jesus gave us (Matthew 4:17).
No you are mixing a few concepts here, Like I said without the shedding of Blood there is no remission, So Jesus offered himself a sacrifice and Shed his blood for the remission of sins He proved his Victory by rasing from the dead, now when the Holy Spirit comes he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
John 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;
10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;
11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.
So If People hear the Truth of the Gospel Message and reject it, They will be Guilty of the Sin of unbelief, If they Die in that state, they won't be forgiven in the next life, So the only Sin you need to Repent of before you Die is, not believing on Jesus, that's the unforgivable Sin, No matter how you word things backward doesn't bring in more unforgivable sins, There is only one, You believe it or you reject it, The repentance that saves is from unbelief to belief in Jesus, You don't repent of that
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Nice good for you, Might keep you out of trouble then, Did anything else change? did you start going to church etc or just felt better the more you didn't Sin and felt bad when you did
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Aunty Jane
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Where do people get the idea that "Abraham's bosom" is heaven? Do you have scripture to confirm this?
Good question.....especially if you believe that its heaven.....
Since there is no "roasting and toasting" and only the elect get to go to heaven, its amazing to me how this notion is even perpetuated.
Jesus was Jewish and the Jews had no belief in life after death except by resurrection. Belief in an immortal soul was adopted from pagan Greek ideas, and it means that a person doesn't really die. How can you resurrect someone who isn't dead?
Where do people get the idea that "Abraham's bosom" is heaven? Do you have scripture to confirm this?
Good question.....especially if you believe that its heaven.....
Since there is no "roasting and toasting" and only the elect get to go to heaven, its amazing to me how this notion is even perpetuated.
Jesus was Jewish and the Jews had no belief in life after death except by resurrection. Belief in an immortal soul was adopted from pagan Greek ideas, and it means that a person doesn't really die. How can you resurrect someone who isn't dead?
I have no idea. And with respect to the Rich man, I wouldn't have asked that he dip his finger in the water and cool my tongue--I would've asked for a hose!
I believe this is a parable. I also believe the dead sleep till the resurrection. Note what Jesus said about the other Lazarus.
John 11:11-14
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11These things He said, and after that He said to them, “Our friend Lazarus sleeps, but I go that I may wake him up.”
12Then His disciples said, “Lord, if he sleeps he will get well.” 13However, Jesus spoke of his death, but they thought that He was speaking about taking rest in sleep.
14Then Jesus said to them plainly, “Lazarus is dead. 15And I am glad for your sakes that I was not there, that you may believe. Nevertheless let us go to him.”
21Now Martha said to Jesus, “Lord, if You had been here, my brother would not have died. 22But even now I know that whatever You ask of God, God will give You.”
23Jesus said to her, “Your brother will rise again.”
24Martha said to Him, “I know that he will rise again in the resurrection at the last day.”
Yep, and to top it off, if he would've been in Heaven or another place, wouldn't he have spoken of it? I would think he would've told them about where he went for those 4 days he was in the grave. Not a peep.
https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/John-11-10/
I think you should read the words of Matthew 12:32 once again very, very carefully before making an assumption like you have commented in post #125. The unforgivable sin is NOT the unbelief to believe in Jesus, nor is it "without the shedding of blood there is no remission."
Rather it is circumscribe in Mark 3:28-30:
28) Verily I say unto you, ALL sins shall be forgiven unto the dons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme:
29) But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation:
30) BECAUSE they said, He hath an unclean spirit.
That is, that Jesus gets His power from Satan!!!
There is only one unforgivable sin and NEVER the "unbelief to believe in Jesus." That is another issue.
1stCenturyLady
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That doesnt make sense, Your mixing concepts and writing things backwards again, unbelief to belief in Jesus is what saves. Rejecting that is what will be unforgiveable, look how you worded it it cant even make sense, look times change, Jesus isn't on earth in the Flesh performing miracles like in the verse example, that can not happen anymore, now in the day you are alive, how does that apply, That's the example I gave you, You cannot take away the choice of people to be able to react to the Gospel, That's the unforgiveable Sin that applies to your reality, If you don't believe in Jesus, you will die in your sin, and there will be no forgiveness, its unforgiveable, that's the unforgivable sin when you apply it to reality to every person
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1stCenturyLady
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I gave a short paragraph about Lazarus in post #118. Luke 16 definitely is a parable because:
1. Abraham is a picture of God.
2. Lazarus is a picture of all believers who are safe and secure in the bosom of the Father.
3. The rich man is a picture of all the unsaved of the world.
4. There is a great gulf [opening] fixed, that is no one can cross between heaven and hell and vice-versa.
In other words, when we die our fate is fixed. If we die saved we go to heaven, and if unsaved we go to hell.
quietthinker
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Can people in Heaven know?
God's people will all be resurrected at the same time, at the last trump, as described in 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17 and from then on we will ever be with the Lord.....where ever he is. Personally I think he will take us to meet his Father in Heaven and the angels and after a spell there we will come back to the Earth made new.
So are there people in heaven now?.... maybe a few like Enoch and Elijah and Moses....maybe even those who were resurrected from their graves when Jesus broke out of the tomb otherwise no. The majority sleep in death (thats the term the scriptures uses) awaiting either of two resurrections that will occur at different times. The first being when Jesus returns on his rescue mission for his people as described in 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17 and 1 Corinthians 15:51-54
God's people will all be resurrected at the same time, at the last trump, as described in 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17 and from then on we will ever be with the Lord.....where ever he is. Personally I think he will take us to meet his Father in Heaven and the angels and after a spell there we will come back to the Earth made new.
So are there people in heaven now?.... maybe a few like Enoch and Elijah and Moses....maybe even those who were resurrected from their graves when Jesus broke out of the tomb otherwise no. The majority sleep in death (thats the term the scriptures uses) awaiting either of two resurrections that will occur at different times. The first being when Jesus returns on his rescue mission for his people as described in 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17 and 1 Corinthians 15:51-54
Bob Estey
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Thanks. I was already going to church. The transformation was that suddenly, one day, my worries just disappeared - absolute peace.
I don't want to give the impression I've lived a perfect life since - resisting temptation can be a struggle. But it seems to me a clear conscience is about the most beautiful thing in the world.
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God gives us enough time while we are alive. We must always be ready for we do not know what tomorrow brings.
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