Who are the Promised Ones who shall possess the Land of God, forever?

Truth7t7 · Jan 27, 2022

Ronald D Milam said:
Why stop at verse 6?

Rev. 6:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, 8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. 9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. 10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. 13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. 14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Revelation 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. 2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

The New Heaven and New Earth will know no death, there will be no such thing, so this is an easy call brother, all we have to do is read the contextual passage in full. The 1000 years thus can only be on thus earth. Then in Rev. 21 the first order of business is God saying this, the New Heaven and New Earth have arrived, the old ones have passed away. The Dead in the Seas in Rev. 20 can only be the old from the old earth because the New Earth will not have any Sea.

I don't see why we don't read in full first then form our thoughts around the bible, you guys make an argument in Rev. 20:1-6 which is then defeated in verses 7-15 and in Rev. 21:1-2.

Still say there is no 1000 year reign on this earth? Well, what Sea is being spoken of then brother because the New Heaven and New Earth will have no Sea according unto God.

Satan is "Currently" bound from "One Specific Purpose", And One Only?

"Deceive The Nations" To Battle

The Non-Literal 1,000 Years (Revelation) 20:1-6 Are Taking Place Now In The Lords Spiritual, And Will Cease At The Future Second Coming

If A Tribulation Saint Were To Die One Day Before The Second Coming, He Enters Into The Non-Literal 1,000 Year Reign

Many That Promote Millennialism Falsely Teach, Satan Cant Be Presently Bound Because Evil Exist In The World?

Satan Is Presently Bound As Is Clearly Seen In (Revelation) 20:7-8 Below That Interprets (Deceive The Nations) Is To Battle, Not General Evil In The World Presently.

Satan Is Loosed At The End Of The Tribulation When The 6th Vial Is Poured Out As Seen In (Revelation) 16:12, The Deception Is Devils In False Miracles Going Forth To The Kings Of The Earth, To Gather Them To The Final Battle

(Revelation) 20:1-9KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

(Revelation) 16:12-14 & (Revelation) 20:7-8 Same Deception In Gathering The Nations To The Very Same Final Battle In "Parallel" Teachings Of The Same Event

(Revelation) 16:12-17KJV
12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

Timtofly · Jan 27, 2022

Truth7t7 said:
Sad part is, these Millennialist are shown again and again that no literal Kingdom on this earth exists in Revelation 20:1-6 and they wont let go of the false belief that there is a kingdom

The sad part is that Amil over symbolize God's Word, and then complain that Preterist do the same thing.

APAK · Jan 27, 2022

Timtofly said:
The sad part is that Amil over symbolize God's Word, and then complain that Preterist do the same thing.

What if you are both, Amil-(Part)-Preterist. Then no complains and worries mate right?

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Truth7t7 · Jan 27, 2022

Timtofly said:
The sad part is that Amil over symbolize God's Word, and then complain that Preterist do the same thing.

By all means please explain "Where" in scripture Amil's over symbolize?

APAK · Jan 27, 2022

Ronald D Milam said:
Why stop at verse 6?

Rev. 6:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, 8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. 9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. 10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. 13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. 14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Revelation 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. 2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

The New Heaven and New Earth will know no death, there will be no such thing, so this is an easy call brother, all we have to do is read the contextual passage in full. The 1000 years thus can only be on thus earth. Then in Rev. 21 the first order of business is God saying this, the New Heaven and New Earth have arrived, the old ones have passed away. The Dead in the Seas in Rev. 20 can only be the old from the old earth because the New Earth will not have any Sea.

I don't see why we don't read in full first then form our thoughts around the bible, you guys make an argument in Rev. 20:1-6 which is then defeated in verses 7-15 and in Rev. 21:1-2.

Still say there is no 1000 year reign on this earth? Well, what Sea is being spoken of then brother because the New Heaven and New Earth will have no Sea according unto God.

No sea indeed. Not in a new natural physical earth for 1000 years. I'm afraid not. In an immortal place and space of living, in the new heaven and new earth.

No more sea in the new heaven and the new earth as Yahshua saved or rescued (to the 'dry land') - all those that could be rescued at the judgement. No more human evil beast system of power from the ‘sea’ of turbulence, chaos, war and sin and any ‘unclean.’

The old heaven and old earth is destroyed along with death and the place of the dead. Death and mortality are gone, turned into immortality. Only constant peace now exists for those that live with the pure rive of life in the New Jerusalem.

Truth7t7 · Jan 27, 2022

Ronald D Milam said:
Still say there is no 1000 year reign on this earth? Well, what Sea is being spoken of then brother because the New Heaven and New Earth will have no Sea according unto God.

"SEA" represents multitudes of people, the masses of people wont be seen in the New Heaven and Earth, narrow is the way and gate to eternal life, "Few" will find it

Your suggestion this represents oceans of water is unfounded

The beast rises out of the "Sea" multitudes of people, not oceans of water

Revelation 13:1KJV
And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

There was no more "Sea" multitude of people, narrows the way, few will find salvation and enter the eternal kingdom

Revelation 21:1KJV
And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

Matthew 7:13-14KJV
13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

quietthinker · Jan 28, 2022

Who are the Promised Ones who shall possess the Land of God, forever?
All who have believed God's promises from Adam onwards.

Ziggy · Jan 28, 2022

The meek.

Psa 37:11 But the meek shall inherit the earth; and shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace.

Mat 5:5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.

1Pe 3:4 But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price.

Mat 13:45 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a merchant man, seeking goodly pearls:
Mat 13:46 Who, when he had found one pearl of great price, went and sold all that he had, and bought it.

That's who will inherit the earth.
What does that mean exactly?
We are made of earth.. when it says the meek shall inherit the earth does it mean bodies or the planet?

just thinking..
Hugs

APAK · Jan 28, 2022

quietthinker said:
Who are the Promised Ones who shall possess the Land of God, forever?
All who have believed God's promises from Adam onwards.

The problem is that many do not know these promises and then those that think they do, are convinced it means a different set of people. And that then many believe most promised are not fulfilled yet as a secondary spin off on this subject....

APAK · Jan 28, 2022

Ziggy said:
The meek.

Psa 37:11 But the meek shall inherit the earth; and shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace.

Mat 5:5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.

1Pe 3:4 But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price.

Mat 13:45 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a merchant man, seeking goodly pearls:
Mat 13:46 Who, when he had found one pearl of great price, went and sold all that he had, and bought it.

That's who will inherit the earth.
What does that mean exactly?
We are made of earth.. when it says the meek shall inherit the earth does it mean bodies or the planet?

just thinking..
Hugs

I take it you believe in an earthly kingdom on this physical earth? I don't....the Kingdom is alive today and with Christ reigning today, and it will be consummated and fully realized when Christ divides the people in the execution of judgment. And what we call the earth and the heavens today are transformed into the new heavens and new earth, as the Kingdom, the New Jerusalem and the shades of 'darkness', 'outside.'

Ziggy · Jan 28, 2022

APAK said:
I take it you believe in an earthly kingdom on this physical earth? I don't....the Kingdom is alive today and with Christ reigning today, and it will be consummated and fully realized when Christ divides the people in the execution of judgment. And what we call the earth and the heavens today are transformed into the new heavens and new earth, as the Kingdom, the New Jerusalem and the shades of 'darkness', 'outside.'

The Kingdom (Eden) where God created a garden and put man in it to tend it... is still there.
When man sinned he was brought back to the place where he originated from.. the earth.

The meek shall inherit the "earth" in my opinion are the "new man" ..oh how can I say this...
the next generation of Adam unblemished. Placed in the garden to keep it.
They are the "trees" in the garden.. this generation of the meek.

We .. our minds are confined to this space and time we inhabit. It is hard to expand the mind and see outside the box.

Eden is all around us, it is around the universe, it is life, it is energy, it is ALL.
But it is a different dimension then this physical 3D plane we live in.
This is perhaps like a jail or even hell, compared to the freedom and liberty of heaven.

These "meek" are the very grains or dirt (ashes) which the Lord forms into a new Life.
And we shall be changed, it doth not yet appear what we shall be, but we know when we see him, we shall be like him... (memory)

This transition is the gathering... the gathering...
And we together are formed as one mankind and placed once again in Eden to tend the garden.. the City of God, Paradise...

Only the meek shall inherit this "earth" this body, this new man..kind...
And we will be the men walking as trees in the garden of which when the first Adam and Eve sinned hid among.
I see men walking as trees...
He saw us.. future.. or the other dimension outside this box we call planet earth.

Just because we can't see it with our eyes or touch it with our hands, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
On the contrary. That existence is far more real than anything we will ever experience in this life.

Those my thoughts..
Hugs

Truth7t7 · Jan 28, 2022

Ziggy said:
Eden is all around us, it is around the universe, it is life, it is energy, it is ALL.
But it is a different dimension then this physical 3D plane we live in.
This is perhaps like a jail or even hell, compared to the freedom and liberty of heaven.

These "meek" are the very grains or dirt (ashes) which the Lord forms into a new Life.
And we shall be changed, it doth not yet appear what we shall be, but we know when we see him, we shall be like him... (memory)

This transition is the gathering... the gathering...
And we together are formed as one mankind and placed once again in Eden to tend the garden.. the City of God, Paradise...

Only the meek shall inherit this "earth" this body, this new man..kind...
And we will be the men walking as trees in the garden of which when the first Adam and Eve sinned hid among.
I see men walking as trees...
He saw us.. future.. or the other dimension outside this box we call planet earth.

Just because we can't see it with our eyes or touch it with our hands, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
On the contrary. That existence is far more real than anything we will ever experience in this life.

Those my thoughts..
Hugs

Sound like "New Age" philosophy to me

John 16:33KJV
33 These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.

Ziggy · Jan 28, 2022

Truth7t7 said:
Sound like "New Age" philosophy to me

John 16:33KJV
33 These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.

I don't follow any philosophies Truth7t7,
I speak what is brought into my mind as I'm writing.
This is what I saw..

I don't even know what "New Age" philosophy is truthfully.
I just read the Bible.
Hugs

Truth7t7 · Jan 28, 2022

Ziggy said:
I don't follow any philosophies Truth7t7,
I speak what is brought into my mind as I'm writing.
This is what I saw..

I don't even know what "New Age" philosophy is truthfully.
I just read the Bible.
Hugs

Eden isnt "all" as was claimed, God is "all" and he created Eden

Ziggy · Jan 28, 2022

Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Gen 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

Gen 13:16 And I will make thy seed as the dust of the earth: so that if a man can number the dust of the earth, then shall thy seed also be numbered.

Gen 18:27 And Abraham answered and said, Behold now, I have taken upon me to speak unto the Lord, which am but dust and ashes:

Where did we come from? Where are we going?

Does God ever change?
Gen 2:8 And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.

Psa 103:14 For he knoweth our frame; he remembereth that we are dust.

Psa 113:7 He raiseth up the poor out of the dust, and lifteth the needy out of the dunghill;

Ecc 3:20 All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.

Dan 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

If this is New Age.. then what can I say?
Hugs

Maybe rather it's, welcome to the new age..

Truth7t7 · Jan 28, 2022

Ziggy said:
Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Gen 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

Gen 13:16 And I will make thy seed as the dust of the earth: so that if a man can number the dust of the earth, then shall thy seed also be numbered.

Gen 18:27 And Abraham answered and said, Behold now, I have taken upon me to speak unto the Lord, which am but dust and ashes:

Where did we come from? Where are we going?

Does God ever change?
Gen 2:8 And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.

Psa 103:14 For he knoweth our frame; he remembereth that we are dust.

Psa 113:7 He raiseth up the poor out of the dust, and lifteth the needy out of the dunghill;

Ecc 3:20 All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.

Dan 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

If this is New Age.. then what can I say?
Hugs

Maybe rather it's, welcome to the new age..

Eden isnt "all" as was claimed, God is "all" and he created Eden

1 Corinthians 15:28KJV
28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

Quote Ziggy, post #151

"Eden is all around us, it is around the universe, it is life, it is energy, it is ALL."

Ziggy · Jan 28, 2022

Truth7t7 said:
Eden isnt "all" as was claimed, God is "all" and he created Eden

Eden is a part of All that is created.
It came from God himself..
I know this is difficult but without ALL there would be No Thing.
No thing would exist if it didn't come from the ALL which gave it.
This ALL we call Lord and Father and Creator.
Nothing was made without him and by him and for him.
Amen
Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

You can argue "territory" if you like to. But that also is in the 3 dimensional sphere of existence.
God and Eden and Paradise and Heaven all exist outside these limitations.
And yet are all within God himself. They are not seperate locations..
and frankly neither are we..
because without Him even our own sinful lives would not exist.
Consider sinners living in the bowels...
some are good bacteria and some are bad.
Eventually the bad go out with the flush... lest they infect the body.
Even the less seemly parts have a role to play.

There is nowhere outside of God.

nothing outside of God has any existance, because there is no life in it.
Hugs

Truth7t7 · Jan 28, 2022

Ziggy said:
Eden is a part of All that is created.
It came from God himself..

Gods creation isnt all, "God is all"

1 Corinthians 15:28KJV
28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

Ronald D Milam · Jan 28, 2022

Truth7t7 said:
Jesus Christ fulfilled the promises and covenant made to Abraham, the Church is the Israel of God, children of the promised seed, it's that simple

You simply misunderstand Gal. chapter 3 brother, and you take away from that chapter just the opposite of what Paul wrote the letter unto the Galatians about. A simple rereading would let you see this, if you understand that Paul is angry at the Galatians because they have started serving the Law (Flesh) in stead of living by Faith alone.

He stars out O foolish Galatian who has bewitched (fooled/deceived) you, having started out in the faith you have now moved to the flesh (Laws). So what comes next is a tirade by Paul where he shows the Galatians why the Laws can not save them, but only the by Faith can they be saved, just like Faithful Abraham.

Then at the very end he does not say we are ALL ONE as you seem to think he is saying, he is actually saying just the opposite, that we all come into the kingdom in the EXACT SAME MANNER be we Jew or Gentile, be we Male or Female.

Question, are there still Females and Males? Of course there are, and there are also Jews and Gentiles, you missed Paul's whole point here, you come to the conclusion he is saying Israel and the Church are ONE, he is not, he's simply saying we come unto Jesus in ONE MANNNER, by Faith, not by serving the Law. If you were correct, then there would also not be any males or females, but that wasn't Paul's point.

Look back at the very 1st verse to see his point, O Foolish Galatians who has deceived you that you starting out in the Faith have now started serving the flesh (Laws). And we know he's speaking about THE LAW because he goes on a diatribe about how its wrong to serve the Law but correct to live by FAITH ALONE.

So, what is the point? Well, who would have told these Gentiles that they needed to serve the LAW? Not Romans, but Jews whom had become Christians and had come in with bad info (like we get on here every day somewhere or another) thus those Galatians were practicing the Laws trying to EARN their way to heaven.

So Paul sees that they think they have to be "like the Jews", or become quasi Jews in order to make it into Heaven, thus Paul say, DON'T DO THAT......There is neither Jew nor Greek, Male nor Female, the male nor female line ought to give you a clue that Paul is not saying we are all one in LIKENESS or one in KIND, he is saying we are ALL ONE in how we come into the Kingdom by FAITH ALONE.

Now go back and reread and see how he says life in Christ is not of THE LAW.........but of THE FAITH ALONE.

In other words, you do not have to be Jews to make it to Heaven so STOP trying to earn your way to heaven via serving the Laws(Flesh = you EARN your way) after having come unto God by Faith.

So, this is how misconstrued understanding can lead us down wrong paths. The Jews are not one as a Nation with the Gentiles, Paul tells us on Rom. 11 they will be grafted back in AFTER the Time of the Gentile is come full (Rapture). He says THEIR (Israel) calling is without repentance.

Ziggy · Jan 28, 2022

That's right.
And creation comes from God and is by God and is for God.

It is an extension of his being.
Without God, then no thing.
Creation is contained in and part of the all that God is.

Pro 16:4 The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.
Pro 26:10 The great God that formed all things both rewardeth the fool, and rewardeth transgressors.

In 1 Corinthians 15:28 you are quoting above, it is concerning death.
death has no life in it.
And once death was subdued by life, then God is all and in all.
Even death will not hide you from the God.
Men will seek death and not find it.
No more is there anywhere to hide.

Because God is All and in All.

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