Controversial... Hence debate forum.

Curtis · Jan 28, 2022

bbyrd009 said:
do you believe everything that the MSM tells you, without reservation?
No offense, but ima go with the fascist firefighters that were there, and have no bias, tks
"inside job"
although of course i know as much as you do--which is absolutely nothing

i am kinda swayed by binLaden refusing to take credit, even after he knew he would be taking the blame; that and the fact that no pilot newbie could have performed the required maneuvers

They have their names and pictures - they are not anonymous.

Here’s Newsweek with names and nationality of all 19 hijackers - all were Saudis, and all were Al Qaeda:

Who were the 9/11 Hijackers? The 19 Al-Qaeda Members who carried out terrorist attack

And Al Jazeera Arab news says Bin Laden took credit for 911 in a video showing him meeting with the 19 hijackers :

Al-Qaeda video takes credit for 9/11

Curtis · Jan 28, 2022

bbyrd009 said:
do you believe everything that the MSM tells you, without reservation?
No offense, but ima go with the fascist firefighters that were there, and have no bias, tks
"inside job"
although of course i know as much as you do--which is absolutely nothing

i am kinda swayed by binLaden refusing to take credit, even after he knew he would be taking the blame; that and the fact that no pilot newbie could have performed the required maneuvers

They know exactly what pilot training school the pilots went to in Florida, including the fact that one of them said he didn’t need to know how to land, just how to take off and fly.

Curtis · Jan 28, 2022

Aunty Jane said:
Is it? What was Jesus referring to? Wasn't it the physical Temple?
The "body of Christ" is not his physical body......it is the foundations of his "body" (his elect) that form the Kingdom of God in heavenly Jerusalem.....his "bride", who are "bought from among mankind"....to serve as priests in the grand spiritual temple in heaven. (Revelation 20:6).....you are a little short-sighted in your reasoning there I believe....

You're trying to spin it, but that won’t wash. That’s not a reasonable interpretation of the facts.

The body of believers in Christ wasn’t destroyed and raised up in three days.

His physical body was.

Jesus received the Holy Spirit at His baptism, thus His body became a temple of the Holy Spirit, as all those who have the Holy Spirit are, 1 Corinthians 3:16.

1Co 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

1Co 3:17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

That is the temple that was destroyed and raised up - His body.

Aunty Jane · Jan 28, 2022

Triumph1300 said:
Why do you respond to me with this?
I never mentioned the "trinity".

It was my reference to the cramped and narrow road to life and why "few" are finding it......the trinity is why, because about 98% of "Christians" accept it as truth....yet it is not a Bible teaching and never was.

quietthinker · Jan 29, 2022

Aunty Jane said:
It was my reference to the cramped and narrow road to life and why "few" are finding it......the trinity is why, because about 98% of "Christians" accept it as truth....yet it is not a Bible teaching and never was.

Amazing how you know for sure what 98% of christians think, believe and even behave like.

quietthinker · Jan 29, 2022

Desire Of All Nations said:
What you personally think doesn't matter. Daniel and other books describe God's Kingdom as a literal world ruling empire that will rule this planet. Have you not read Daniel's plain statements in chapter 2 where he distinctly tells Nebuchadnezzar that God's Kingdom will rule over the people of this world just as surely as the other 4 kingdoms in that dream did? Why do people insist on treating plain statements like they're merely allegorical or symbolic?

I suppose that must mean what you personally think doesn't matter either? or do you say you believe what the scriptures says?
What if others make the same claim?
As long as one holds the position that ones own conclusions; that ones own understanding of scripture is unquestionable ie, right, one joins the chorus of a million voices all divergent from each other.

...besides, you have missed what I've said.

Curtis · Jan 29, 2022

Aunty Jane said:
It was my reference to the cramped and narrow road to life and why "few" are finding it......the trinity is why, because about 98% of "Christians" accept it as truth....yet it is not a Bible teaching and never was.

No one is sentenced to the lake of fire for a pro or con trinity belief.

Rev 21:7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.

Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Thus trinity belief or the lack thereof, has nothing to do with the narrow gate that leads to life.

Also you remarked earlier that no one gets damned. That’s totally incorrect.

Condemnation and damnation are the same word as shown by Greek lexicons:

G2919 (Strong)

κρίνω

krinō

kree'-no

Properly to distinguish, that is, decide (mentally or judicially); by implication to try, condemn, punish: - avenge, conclude, condemn, damn, decree, determine, esteem, judge, go to (sue at the) law, ordain, call in question, sentence to, think.

Total KJV occurrences: 114

As found in Jesus’ words, those who reject Jesus as Gods son, are condemned, ie., damned.

Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Joh 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

Joh 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Joh 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

Since most take the wide gate that leads to destruction, most people will be damned on judgment day.

quietthinker · Jan 29, 2022

Curtis said:
No one is sentenced to the lake of fire for a pro or con trinity belief.

Rev 21:7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.

Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Thus trinity belief or the lack thereof, has nothing to do with the narrow gate that leads to life.

Also you remarked earlier that no one gets damned. That’s totally incorrect.

Condemnation and damnation are the same word as shown by Greek lexicons:

G2919 (Strong)

κρίνω

krinō

kree'-no

Properly to distinguish, that is, decide (mentally or judicially); by implication to try, condemn, punish: - avenge, conclude, condemn, damn, decree, determine, esteem, judge, go to (sue at the) law, ordain, call in question, sentence to, think.

Total KJV occurrences: 114

As found in Jesus’ words, those who reject Jesus as Gods son, are condemned, ie., damned.

Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Joh 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

Joh 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Joh 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

Since most take the wide gate that leads to destruction, most people will be damned on judgment day.

Since Jesus is the life giver who is the one that damns? ....and who does the judging?

Aunty Jane · Jan 29, 2022

quietthinker said:
Amazing how you know for sure what 98% of christians think, believe and even behave like.

Actually I googled it....

quietthinker · Jan 29, 2022

Aunty Jane said:
Actually I googled it....

I s'pose it's an unquestionable source and highly reliable!

JohnPaul · Jan 29, 2022

Curtis said:
Everyone of the 911 attackers were from Saudi Arabia and were Muslims.

Muslims attacked the twin towers when Clinton was president, with a van bomb, but failed to bring that tower down.

European intelligence agencies warned 5 years in advance that Muslims had a plot to fly jets into buildings, but nothing was done.

Islam did it, but Bush was complicit in the plot - they wanted an act of terrorism so we would accept loss of constitutional rights in the patriot act for one, in the guise of protection from terrorists.

The bushes are all globalists, especially Bush Sr, aka mr, CIA.

I agree that W is a big idiot, now his best friends are the Obamas.

Unnecessary war in Iraq that had nothing to do with 9/11.

JohnPaul · Jan 29, 2022

Curtis said:
The triune Godhead, is a plurality - THREE PERSONS who comprise the ONE God.

The plurality of the ONE God is found in the first chapter of the Bible, where Genesis states that ELOHIM, (which is the plural name of God that translates literally as GODS), said, let US make man in OUR image.

Elohim:

H430 (Strong)

אֱלֹהִים

'ĕlôhı̂ym

el-o-heem'

Plural of H433; gods in the ordinary sense; but specifically used (in the plural thus, especially with the article) of the supreme God; occasionally applied by way of deference to magistrates; and sometimes as a superlative: - angels, X exceeding, God (gods) (-dess, -ly), X (very) great, judges, X mighty.

Total KJV occurrences: 2601

Note: Elohim did not say let ME make man in MY image.

He said let US make man in OUR image, because Jesus, who made everything that was made, Colossians 1:16, was there with Him as co-creator per John 1:1, 10, 14.

The trinity is also seen in Matthew 28:19, where Jesus said to baptize in the NAME, singular, of the THREE, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

The three share one name - Elohim.

1Jn 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

Fortunately for trinity deniers, belief in the fact of the trinity is not a salvation requirement.

Makes no sense, three persons forming one individual, it's either three or one.

God The Father and Christ the only begotten Son, two separate entities.

Curtis · Jan 29, 2022

quietthinker said:
Since Jesus is the life giver who is the one that damns? ....and who does the judging?

Your theology seems to demand God being limited to just one aspect - instead of having both great love for good coupled with great hate for sin and evil.

Your version of God is simplistic and one dimensional, and is not the God revealed in the Bible.

Curtis · Jan 29, 2022

JohnPaul said:
Makes no sense, three persons forming one individual, it's either three or one.

God The Father and Christ the only begotten Son, two separate entities.

Jesus said He and the father are one, and said He who has seen Him has seen the father.

Your trying to use your intellect to analyze what God can, or cannot be, is like a bacteria trying to understand and define a man.

What is, IS as they say. That Elohim is a plural name for god and not singular, is a fact, whether it fits your ideas about God, or not.

quietthinker · Jan 29, 2022

Curtis said:
Your theology seems to demand God being limited to just one aspect - instead of having both great love for good coupled with great hate for sin and evil.

Your version of God is simplistic and one dimensional, and is not the God revealed in the Bible.

that's what the religious folk in Jesus time thought also

Curtis · Jan 29, 2022

quietthinker said:
that's what the religious folk in Jesus time thought also

Salami, salami, baloney.

Brakelite · Jan 29, 2022

Aunty Jane said:
It was my reference to the cramped and narrow road to life and why "few" are finding it......the trinity is why, because about 98% of "Christians" accept it as truth....yet it is not a Bible teaching and never was.

Which version of the 'trinity' do that 98% accept? From my observation on this board, a small microcosm it must be admitted, there are about 3 versions of the trinity, and as many versions of something else, all equally shared and divided among the members. In fact, I think if you asked each member privately, hardly one member would agree on any version, and no-one would be able to adequately explain why they believe what they do, and even less teach anytime else what they believe so that they could understand it. That's the thing about the Godhead. It's infinitely unfathomable. God hasn't explained Himself in scripture. But what we do know... What He has revealed... We can take to the bank. And the most important aspect about God is this...
KJV 1 John 5:5, 9-13
5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?
9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.
10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

KJV Hebrews 1:1-9
1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.
8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

KJV Colossians 1:13-22
13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;
20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.
21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled
22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:

The biggest mistake we can make is to reduce or rationalize what the Son means to His Father, Who the Son is, and the incredible eternal risk that they both took in redeeming man from the prison house of sin.
Mount Moriah and what took place there with Abraham and Isaac... The very spot of the future temple... Was a type of what took place on Calvary. A sacrifice of both Father and Son. Not a make believe son, created it adopted, but a Son in the absolute highest sense. We believe anything less than that... We miss the entire point of the plan of redemption.
The self sacrificing love of God on behalf of man.

bbyrd009 · Jan 29, 2022

Curtis said:
They know exactly what pilot training school the pilots went to in Florida, including the fact that one of them said he didn’t need to know how to land, just how to take off and fly.

yes, i didnt mean to imply that some Muslims weren’t made patsies, just that they weren’t capable

Curtis · Jan 29, 2022

bbyrd009 said:
yes, i didnt mean to imply that some Muslims weren’t made patsies, just that they weren’t capable

They weren’t made Patsys, they wanted and desired to kill people because of their evil satanic religion straight from the pits of hell called Islam - The globalists which I now know include all the Bushes, enabled them to succeed in their plot by not stopping them.

bbyrd009 · Jan 29, 2022

Curtis said:
They weren’t made Patsys, they wanted and desired to kill people because of their evil satanic religion straight from the pits of hell called Islam - The globalists which I now know include all the Bushes, enabled them to succeed in their plot by not stopping them.

well, you sound awful sure? And i am seriously doubting their role, regardless of their intentions, that of course Allah would reject them for anyway, making them fake Muslims anyway

Controversial... Hence debate forum.

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