Comparing KJV With ESV

marks said:

I'll answer your question if you will answer me this question . . . did Adam and Eve have other children?

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More than happy to answer it. Yes, Genesis 5:4 plainly says so.

strobe said:

More than happy to answer it. Yes, Genesis 5:4 plainly says so.

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Thank you! That was who.

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marks said:

Thank you! That was who.

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So he was afraid of people who weren't even born? Nobody else had been cursed and sent away so there would have been no one there anyway.

Genesis 4:11 says Cain was cursed FROM THE EARTH and Genesis 4:12 to be a fugitve and vagabond IN THE EARTH so maybe there were separate things called Earth, the one that God made in Genesis 1 was a region in one that was formless and void Genesis 1:2.
Also the invention of the plough was around that time, as were the first cities.

strobe said:

Genesis 4:11 says Cain was cursed FROM THE EARTH and Genesis 4:12 to be a fugitve and vagabond IN THE EARTH so maybe there were separate things called Earth, the one that God made in Genesis 1 was a region in one that was formless and void Genesis 1:2.
Also the invention of the plough was around that time, as were the first cities.

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Just a bit of information for everyone. To the Israelites, Israel was the whole earth. When locusts covered the 'whole earth' it means the land of Israel and probably not all of it. When Noah collected the animals, he did not go to America or Australia etc, it was just those in the Land of Israel. The entire Old Testament is about the Land of Israel and the nations local to it. God bless you. I just thought I would mention it, that's all.
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Cooper said:

Just a bit of information for everyone. To the Israelites, Israel was the whole earth. When locusts covered the 'whole earth' it means the land of Israel and probably not all of it. When Noah collected the animals, he did not go to America or Australia etc, it was just those in the Land of Israel. The entire Old Testament is about the Land of Israel and the nations local to it. God bless you. I just thought I would mention it, that's all.
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Again, I'm very close to being with you there except I don't think Eden, Adam and Eve etc up to Noah were necessarily in Israel. I think it is more probable that they were somewhere else entirely. The only clue to location (I think) are the names of the rivers which, off the top of my head, included the Tigris but I see no reason why that must have been what we now know as the Tigris river. It's not really a very important matter though I don't suppose. Other people have suggested that Eden was in the Far East, even the Philippines.

strobe said:

Again, I'm very close to being with you there except I don't think Eden, Adam and Eve etc up to Noah were necessarily in Israel. I think it is more probable that they were somewhere else entirely. The only clue to location (I think) are the names of the rivers which, off the top of my head, included the Tigris but I see no reason why that must have been what we now know as the Tigris river. It's not really a very important matter though I don't suppose. Other people have suggested that Eden was in the Far East, even the Philippines.

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Not the Tigris in fact, the Euphrates

strobe said:

Again, I'm very close to being with you there except I don't think Eden, Adam and Eve etc up to Noah were necessarily in Israel. I think it is more probable that they were somewhere else entirely. The only clue to location (I think) are the names of the rivers which, off the top of my head, included the Tigris but I see no reason why that must have been what we now know as the Tigris river. It's not really a very important matter though I don't suppose. Other people have suggested that Eden was in the Far East, even the Philippines.

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Adam and Eve, the talking serpent and the tree of life is an Old Testament parable from which we need to learn, it could be set anywhere and is about those who know God, the penalty of disobedience and the ensuing casting out from the presence of God. Where the first humans originated is a moot point but you may be near the mark. Best regards.
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marks said:

You make God then to be the Author and Originator of sin. I won't do that. That God wanted Man to sin and lied to Adam, and all the rest of us ever since.

God is not a man that he should lie.

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Romans 5:17-19 Speaks of Adam being disobedient and trespassing or transgressing but I can't find anywhere that said he sinned. Can you help me out?

strobe said:

Romans 5:17-19 Speaks of Adam being disobedient and trespassing or transgressing but I can't find anywhere that said he sinned. Can you help me out?

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You don't think Adam sinned? I'll get back to you when I have some extra time to spend on something like this.

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strobe said:

Romans 5:17-19 Speaks of Adam being disobedient and trespassing or transgressing but I can't find anywhere that said he sinned. Can you help me out?

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Is the point here that you think transgression of God's commandment is not sin? Is that your thinking?

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marks said:

Is the point here that you think transgression of God's commandment is not sin? Is that your thinking?

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I'm posing a question, that's all. It doesn't matter much what I think, I want to know what the Bible says. But if you're really interested, I will tell you what I think by all means. If you think you have an answer and can justify it biblically then I would love to hear it.

strobe said:

I'm posing a question, that's all. It doesn't matter much what I think, I want to know what the Bible says. But if you're really interested, I will tell you what I think by all means. If you think you have an answer and can justify it biblically then I would love to hear it.

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So then is your question of whether or not Adam's "transgression" is also "sin"? All is falling short of God's glory. Various words are used and defined variously, just the same, all sin is trangression of the law. In this case, there was one law given. One commandment.

Romans 5:12-16 KJV
12) Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
13) (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
14) Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
15) But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
16) And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.

So yes, Adam sinned.

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