The Desecration of the Second Temple.

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Earburner

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Now you oppose the teachings of Jesus:
John 10:16, John 17:20-23, Ephesians 2:11-18 and many others that say there is only ONE people of God.
The Bible was Written for everyone who loves the Lord and keeps the Commandments. Jew and Gentile.
In Christ, there is no difference between Jew or Gentile, but rather a New creature (creation).
All who are Born Again are the Israel of God.
Have you really done that? I do think you should.
For myself, there has been a few minor changes, but basically my eschatological beliefs remain the same as when I first started writing articles on the Prophetic Word, in 2011
Yes, I have done that and the process of His updating me is continual in Him and by Him.
Denial of a new Temple shows a sad lack of scriptural knowledge. Many prophesies tell us there will be a new Temple in Jerusalem, one that the Christian people will worship in, Isaiah 56:1-8, the Anti-Christ will desecrate, 2 Thess 2:4 and Jesus will return to and reign from. Zechariah 13:16-21
We who are Born Again ARE THE TEMPLE OF GOD, aka The New Jerusalem. The mother of us all, who are Born Again of His Spirit.
 

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^ For a fact, through scripture, and by the Holy Spirit, I know that there is no singular one man band, miracle man that is going to come, EVER!!
All of that is fabricated scy-fy thriller of church-ianity.
 

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I looked at it and the first one of the top graphs, is pretty much my belief.
We are now in the Church age.
Soon to come is the great reset of our civilization, then all the prophesied things from Revelation 7 to 22
All generally in the order set out in Revelation.

The revolting Jews were not finally removed from the holy Land, until 135 AD.

Actually the "church age" goes until Christ comes again. But right now we are still in the "fullness of the Gentiles coming into the Church." That will end very soon, and then all Israel will come into the same Church of Jesus Christ as His Bride without spot of wrinkle. At the end of the Gentiles coming into the Church is when the Antichrist will be revealed and the first 3.5 years Israel will be protected, but Christians will be targeted and persecuted known as the "rest of her offspring."

Revelation 12:
15 So the serpent spewed water out of his mouth like a flood after the woman (Israel), that he might cause her to be carried away by the flood. 16 But the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened its mouth and swallowed up the flood which the dragon had spewed out of his mouth. 17 And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
 

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Actually the "church age" goes until Christ comes again. But right now we are still in the "fullness of the Gentiles coming into the Church." That will end very soon, and then all Israel will come into the same Church of Jesus Christ as His Bride without spot of wrinkle. At the end of the Gentiles coming into the Church is when the Antichrist will be revealed and the first 3.5 years Israel will be protected, but Christians will be targeted and persecuted known as the "rest of her offspring."

Revelation 12:
15 So the serpent spewed water out of his mouth like a flood after the woman (Israel), that he might cause her to be carried away by the flood. 16 But the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened its mouth and swallowed up the flood which the dragon had spewed out of his mouth. 17 And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
1. Actually the "church age" goes until Christ comes again. But right now we are still in the "fullness of the Gentiles coming into the Church." That will end very soon,
> Correct. The Gentiles coming into the church is now waning, and will end by the issuance of the "MoB" throughout the whole world, aka the separation of the goats from the sheep.

2. and then all Israel will come into the same Church of Jesus Christ as His Bride without spot of wrinkle.
> Error. All of Israel to be saved, is NOT that which is that land of Jerusalem which now is, but rather all who came into belief in Jesus Christ as their Messiah/Savior, aka the symbolic 144000.
> Altogether both Jew and Gentile, who are of faith in Christ, during the church age (past 2000+ years), are the "Israel of God", being that of "Heavenly Jerusalem" above, the mother of us all, who are of faith in Christ.

3. At the end of the Gentiles coming into the Church is when the Antichrist will be revealed and the first 3.5 years Israel will be protected, but Christians will be targeted and persecuted known as the "rest of her offspring."
> Error. There is NO "THE Antichrist, as a singular person to come. It will be ALL the unsaved who took the MoB, who will then be revealed as being OF THAT spirit of antichrist. They will have justified themselves before God, as not having faith to believe that God is. Therefore, being totally unrepentant, they will have permanently locked themselves in the status of the Lost of the living, just before Jesus' Glorious Return "in flaming fire".

4. Revelation 12:
15 So the serpent spewed water out of his mouth like a flood after the woman (Israel), that he might cause her to be carried away by the flood.
> Which is past, ever since 70 AD.

5. 16 But the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened its mouth and swallowed up the flood which the dragon had spewed out of his mouth. 17 And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
> that "earth" is symbolic of the 2H Beast that rose to Global power from that land where there were no people to speak of.
> the dragon, Satan himself, has been making war (persecution) against Born Again Christians, and will continue in the extreme of death, when the "MoB" is made manifest and then issued.
 
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^ When will the "invisible church" of God, aka "the Israel of God", His Born Again Saints, LEARN that the book of Daniel was written for physical Israel, which now is past, but the book of Revelation was written for the church of God's Born Again Saints???

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The OC was the age of "transgression" Daniel 9:24. However, ever since the first appearance of Jesus, the NC is the age of God's Grace for ALL the world.
 
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Please notice the word change and ommitance in
The newer bible versions, to that of the KJV.
There is a definite subtle CHANGE in the meaning.

W&H Greek- ASV bible:
Dan. 9:24 Seventy weeks are decreed upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish [???] transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most holy.

TR Greek- KJV Bible:
Dan.9[24] Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

Edit: so my question is, who lssued the "decree" upon the people of Israel and upon their city of Jerusalem?
 
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> Error. All of Israel to be saved, is NOT that which is that land of Jerusalem which now is, but rather all who came into belief in Jesus Christ as their Messiah/Savior, aka the symbolic 144000.

Right, "Israel" is Jews around the world who are right now partially blinded.
 

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so my question is, who lssued the "decree" upon the people of Israel and upon their city of Jerusalem?
God did. And sixty nine of those 'weeks' were complete on the day Jesus was crucified. The Seventieth, 7 year period will be complete on the Day Jesus Returns.

Daniel 9:24 Seventy times seven years is marked out for your people and your holy city, then rebellion will be stopped, sin brought to an end, iniquity expiated, everlasting righteousness ushered in. vision and prophecy ratified and the Most Holy Place anointed. Revised English Bible. Translated from over 100 manuscripts and written in modern English.

Daniel 9:27 Seventy weeks have been decreed for your people and for your holy city, for putting an end to transgression, for making an end of sin, for forgiving iniquity, for bringing in everlasting justice, for setting the seal on visions and prophecies and for anointing the Especially Holy Place. Complete Jewish Bible.

Your adherence to the KJV leads you astray.
Obviously none of the six tenets for the completion of the 490 years, has happened yet.
Better translations also show that the Most Holy is not a person, but a place. That will be the Holy of Holy's in the new Temple.
 

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Right, "Israel" is Jews around the world who are right now partially blinded.
Who is the House of Israel?

A study of the first two chapters of Hosea shows us that Israel was to be cast off and divorced from God. They were to be scattered (“Jezreel”); they were to have no mercy (“Lo-ruhamah”); and they were to be no longer God’s people (“Lo-ammi”). But at the same time, God promised that they would be regathered under one Head (Jesus Christ) and come out of captivity. In fact, God told them He would “betroth thee unto Me in righteousness” (Hosea 2:19). The prophecy culminates with a Hebrew play on words. The name “Jezreel” means “God scatters,” but it also means “God sows.” (One must scatter the seed in order to sow it in the field.) Thus, at first the name prophesies that Israel was to be scattered; but ultimately it shows God’s Purpose—to sow Israel in the earth in order to multiply her as the sand of the sea, so as God remains faithful to His promise to Abraham.


Hosea 2:23 And I will sow her unto Me in the earth; and I will have mercy upon her that had not obtained mercy; and I will say to them which were not My people, Thou art My people; and they shall say, Thou art My God.

In other words, even though God did indeed cast off His people Israel, scattering them in the nations by the hand of the Assyrians, God’s ultimate Purpose was to sow them in the earth, so that they would multiply and fulfill the promise to Abraham. Furthermore, Hosea prophesied that; in the very place (of their captivity) where it is said that they are not God’s people (Israel), they would be Christians known as; “the Sons of the living God." Hosea 1:10, Romans 9:24-26

The problem is that most Christians try to make the Jews fulfill these prophesies, when the House of Judah, is fact, fulfilling an entirely different set of prophecies. God in His great mercy has allowed them nearly 2000 years to change their hearts to Him and to accept Jesus as Messiah.

If people realized that the Jews are to fulfill the prophecies of the House of Judah, instead of those dealing with the lost House of Israel, they would not have made this mistake. The Jews were certainly “cast off” in 586 BC and again in 70-135 A.D., even as Israel was cast off during 745-712 B.C.—but the difference is that the prophets uniformly prophesy good things for lost Israel even during the time of their captivity; while severe judgments were pronounced upon Jerusalem and the Jewish people.

Note that Ezekiel 21:14 tells of 3 Judgements. The next one, to come; will be by the Hand of the Lord Himself. Ezekiel 21:1-7 and will result in their virtual demise; only a remnant will survive. Romans 9:27


In Jeremiah 18:1-10, God says that the House of Israel was marred in the Potter’s hand, so God was going to beat down the wet clay and remake it into a vessel fit for His use. Then beginning in verse 11, God begins to prophesy about Jerusalem and Judah. First comes an indictment for their sins, and then in Jeremiah 19:1-15 we see that Jeremiah was to take an old earthen vessel (as opposed to wet clay that was pliable), he was to go to the city dump and smash the earthen vessel there, saying: Even so will I break this people and this city, as one breaks a potter’s vessel, that cannot be made whole again, and they shall bury them in Tophet, till there be no place to bury. Thus will I do unto this place, says the Lord, and to the inhabitants thereof, and even make this city as Tophet.


God’s choice of an allegory to suit each House is amazing! -
An old clay vessel, once broken, cannot be remade into another vessel. Only wet, pliable clay can be used to remake a vessel. The House of Israel is like the pliable clay; but the House of Judah will be smashed and never again be built into a vessel of honor.

At the end of the first Temple era, God departed from it and Ezekiel saw the glory depart. Ezekiel 10:4-19 It has never returned to the Temple. Even when Zerubbabel rebuilt the Temple in 515 B.C., the glory did not return to it when they dedicated it to God. The work was good and was allowed by God, but the site itself was cursed.
This is consistent with the New Testament prophecies regarding the cursed fig tree, Matt. 21:21 the parable of the vineyard, Matt. 21:43-44 and the parable of the citizens who hated Him and would not allow Him to reign over them. Luke 19:27

The point is, these peoples must still be around to fulfill these distinct prophecies for Israel and for the cursed fig tree. The lost House of Israel must exist to be remade into another vessel and Judah must exist to be virtually wiped out. Isaiah 22:14
The problem comes when people think that the smashed vessel is going to be rebuilt into a vessel fit for God’s use, and when those same people think that the original House of Israel is lost forever.
 

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Can you mark out your timeline then? I just don't see it.

The 70 week timeline that was posted earlier matches up everywhere. And also where does the bible say that the 70th was not a part of the first 69? I do not recall the Bible saying that the last week would be at the end of time.
 
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1.God did.
2. And sixty nine of those 'weeks' were complete on the day Jesus was crucified.
3. The Seventieth, 7 year period will be complete on the Day Jesus Returns
1. Correct. I just wanted to see if everyone was paying attention.
2. Incorrect. But here, no one is paying attention.
3. Incorrect. And here, no one is discerning of what was determined or decreed in Dan. 9:24.

Do you hear what was determined for the people of Israel and Jerusalem, who were under the Old Covenant, aka the [age of] transgression?

The answer is: #1 of the 6 determinations.
Which SAYS, "to finish the transgression".
And YES, Jesus DID "Finish" ALL six of the works of God on the day of His crucifixion.
There are none left over, half done, or put on hold for a future date!!

As He SAID: "It is FINISHED."
 
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^ Now back to item #2.
Jesus was crucified in the 70th week!!
Stop doing the math according to man's thinking, and do it according to "God's thoughts and ways".

He brings it all to the 69 weeks, and then ADDS IN the "one week". What happened in that one week?
The correct answer is right there. [27] And he [JESUS] shall confirm the [NEW] covenant with many [of HIS disciples] for one week:
Now add that "one week" into the 69 weeks, and the answer is 70 weeks FULFILLED.
There is no remainder to be carried over into the future, for a Sci-Fy thriller, to then be fabricated by church-ianity.

All the six works of God WERE completed.
Jesus said so!!
John.17[4] I have glorified thee on the earth:
I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.

I will trust Jesus, before I ever trust the discernment of church-ianity!!
 

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Right, "Israel" is Jews around the world who are right now partially blinded.
Of course, I trust that you are agreeing with me that for the PAST 2000+ years there have been Jews who DID convert to Christ in their lifetime.

But, if you think that the Jews, being all who are present, upon the Day of Christ's appearance from Heaven, in flaming fire, then that would be TOO LATE for them, as it would be for ANY Gentile who decided to change their mind, JUST BECAUSE THEY SEE HIM.
Why? For all are equally as sinful as the other, and will all be concluded in unbelief, before His visible appearance from Heaven.
 
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Daniel 9:24 Seventy times seven years is marked out for your people and your holy city, then rebellion will be stopped, sin brought to an end, iniquity expiated, everlasting righteousness ushered in. vision and prophecy ratified and the Most Holy Place anointed. Revised English Bible. Translated from over 100 manuscripts and written in modern English.
That's nice, but...it still all boils down to this:
According to 1 John 5:12-13, EVERY Born Again Christian HAS NOW been given the FREE GIFT of His Eternal Life. The only thing that we are waiting for, is to be CHANGED INTO the Immortality of His LIKENESS.
Now, since we DO HAVE Eternal Life NOW, what three works, of the six works of God, had to be "finished" by Jesus upon His crucifixion, in order for us to receive His Eternal Life? (Again, back to Daniel 9:24.)
They are:
#2. to make an end of sins, and
#3. to make reconciliation for iniquity, and
#4. to bring in everlasting righteousness,

Now, since one, who has been Born Again, does HAVE the Gift of God's Eternal Life, do we not also have the Righteousness of God?
Of course we do!!
Why?
Ans.
Matt.5[20] For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven aka the kingdom of God.
To accept Jesus as our personal Savior, is to receive Him and His Righteousness into our life.
IF WE DO NOT, Jesus says that we shall NOT now, or ever enter into the KoG.
Therefore to have Eternal Life, as we surely do, we also HAVE the Gift of the Righteousness of God,
which is the character of not me or you, but rather the Holy Spirit of God Himself.

So YES! Jesus DID and does "bring in everlasting righteousness". He has made it available to all people, but ONLY through faith in Him can we NOW receive it. And in that, He brings it INTO US, because He alone IS THE Righteousness of God FOR US.
Revelation 3:20
 
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Now, since we DO HAVE Eternal Life NOW,
We have the Promise of Eternal Life. John 3:16 does not say it comes immediately.
We receive Eternal life when the Book of Life is opened and our name is found in it. Revelation 20:12

Everlasting righteousness is also a part of the Eternal life, not our situation at present.
Your theories are refuted by the facts of our mortal life and prevalent unrighteousness.
 

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Your adherence to the KJV leads you astray.
Obviously none of the six tenets for the completion of the 490 years, has happened yet.
Better translations also show that the Most Holy is not a person, but a place. That will be the Holy of Holy's in the new Temple.
I hate to burst your bubble, but if you don't know that the literal, mortal body of Jesus, was the very temple of God Himself, then you should awake to the fact that religious church-ianity has failed you, and that "by His Spirit", you also have not understood Zechariah 4:6 and John 16:13, as well as Zechariah 4:14.

Jesus specifically said and showed WHERE God desires to dwell.
1. Jesus, God the Son, was Anointed by the indwelling presence of God the Father, in the day of His baptism.
Luke.3[22] And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.

2. John 2[18] Then answered the Jews and said unto him, What sign shewest thou unto us, seeing that thou doest these things?
[19] Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
[20] Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
[21] But he spake of the temple of his [mortal] body.

3. God will NEVER dwell/live in a temple building made with hands.
Mark.14[58] We heard him say, I will destroy this temple that is made with hands, and within three days I will build another made without hands.

Acts.7[48] Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet,
 
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We have the Promise of Eternal Life. John 3:16 does not say it comes immediately.
We receive Eternal life when the Book of Life is opened and our name is found in it. Revelation 20:12

Everlasting righteousness is also a part of the Eternal life, not our situation at present.
Your theories are refuted by the facts of our mortal life and prevalent unrighteousness.
Then you have NO comprehension of what it means to be sin-less/hidden before the eyes of God the Father, simply by having faith in being covered by the shed Blood of the Lord Jesus Christ for sins.
Gal.2[20] I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

Colossians 3[3] For ye are dead, and your life is hid WITH Christ in God.

Simply put, because of the Atonement of the blood of Christ, God the Father cannot and does not see the sins of Born Again Saints.
Through faith in Him who died for us, we are covered under the Blood of Christ.
THAT was never possible under the OC.
 

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Of course, I trust that you are agreeing with me that for the PAST 2000+ years there have been Jews who DID convert to Christ in their lifetime.

But, if you think that the Jews, being all who are present, upon the Day of Christ's appearance from Heaven, in flaming fire, then that would be TOO LATE for them, as it would be for ANY Gentile who decided to change their mind, JUST BECAUSE THEY SEE HIM.
Why? For all are equally as sinful as the other, and will all be concluded in unbelief, before His visible appearance from Heaven.

Of course. They are not fully blinded are they? Only partially, meaning some will see, but most will not. But starting with the first day of the Great Tribulation their eyes will be healed spiritually
 

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Of course. They are not fully blinded are they? Only partially, meaning some will see, but most will not. But starting with the first day of the Great Tribulation their eyes will be healed spiritually
It's a hard thing for most professing Christians to accept, that ONLY those Jews who put their faith in Jesus as their Savior, and receive His Holy Spirit shall be saved. God cannot and will not save someone against their will. Nor does He save them in spite of themselves.
Romans 8:8-9 is very clear on that, and what it is exactly that we MUST BE in possession of.
Religious activity, correct doctrine and/or copying and mimicking Christ, is not the requirement that makes us to be one of His.