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JunChosen

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You cannot take away the choice of people to be able to react to the Gospel, That's the unforgiveable Sin that applies to your reality, If you don't believe in Jesus, you will die in your sin, and there will be no forgiveness, its unforgiveable, that's the unforgivable sin when you apply it to reality to every person

Today, it's true no one will commit the unpardonable sin set forth in Mark 3:28-29. However, the sin of not believing in Jesus as you quoted in post #125, John 16:9, is NOT the unpardonable sin.

In fact, every sin constitutes as unpardonable sin, BECAUSE "the wages of sin [singular] is death." Yet, Scripture stipulates that all sins are forgiven of men except the passage set forth in Mark 3:28-30.

Do you even know what John 16:9 is really saying?
 
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John 16:9, is NOT the unpardonable sin.

Think, What can take away your sin, There is one thing, The only thing that matters

In fact, every sin constitutes as unpardonable sin, BECAUSE "the wages of sin [singular] is death." Yet, Scripture stipulates that all sins are forgiven of men except the passage set forth in Mark 3:28-30.

Jesus died for the sins of the world, Paid and finished, it's still not the point of what will not be forgiven

Do you even know what John 16:9 is really saying?

If you don't believe John 16:9. What will happen when you Die, Will you be forgiven for that?
 

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Jesus died for the sins of the world, Paid and finished, it's still not the point of what will not be forgiven

WRONG!
Jesus NEVER did die for the sins of the world. This tells me how much you lack knowledge of Scripture! Matthew 1:21 reads:
"And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins."

And how many sins did Jesus pay for their sins, ALL OF THEM! For if He did not pay all but one sin, then that person must pay for that one sin since "the wages of sin [singular] is death!" Besides, what kind of a salvation that will pay all sins but one?

It means that that person will have to pay for that one sin which is impossible for him to do. And guess where he is going?

[QUOTE="HisLife, post: 1223201, member: 9092"]If you don't believe John 16:9. What will happen when you Die, Will you be forgiven for that?[/QUOTE]

As I've already stated above, Jesus redeemed the sins of all His people. But pray tell. what do you really think John 16;9 is saying. For me it is NOT what you think it is saying! I do believe, however; that there is a Scripture passage that stipulates that if you believe not in Jesus you will die in your sins, but not John 16:9.
 
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I wish you both all the happiness in the world. I had a teacher who was born somewhere around the 1st century.

If you are speaking of one of the New Testament writers I'm sorry to say you have learned nothing!
 
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WRONG!
Jesus NEVER did die for the sins of the world. This tells me how much you lack knowledge of Scripture! Matthew 1:21 reads:
"And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins."

Yelling wrong doesn't make you right, And your usual follow up with a condescending comment gets boring but shows your nature, Here is Scripture that shows what you said is wrong

1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

If you look at Mark 3:28-30, as your only unforgivable sin, Do you think you can take the mark of the beast and still go to heaven? I've heard it said "What about the sin of rejecting Jesus and refusing His offer of forgiveness and new life in Jesus. Do you think this could be the unforgivable sin, would you be saying that the Holy Spirit's witness about Jesus is a lie?"


And how many sins did Jesus pay for their sins, ALL OF THEM! For if He did not pay all but one sin, then that person must pay for that one sin since "the wages of sin [singular] is death!" Besides, what kind of a salvation that will pay all sins but one?

You actually contradicted yourself with your next line but that's getting expected, Believing on Jesus Isn't a Sin.... If you Don't Believe in Jesus You will die in your Sins, Jesus Did Pay for all the Sins of the World, You don't talk about the thing that is most important, the thing that puts it all together, Your skipping the most important aspect, But your screaming and demanding answers then twisting what I say so you can scream wrong you don't understand Scripture is immature, Do you understand The Gospel the Blood atonement, who is if for, How it is applied, Or have you been taught its just for you because you where born so special, If you cant answer the questions you have been taught by a denomination that is deceiving you

It means that that person will have to pay for that one sin which is impossible for him to do. And guess where he is going?

One sin is enough to send you to Hell, You get the consequence of your sin if you reject the only sacrifice that was made for your sin, Your skipping what is important

As I've already stated above, Jesus redeemed the sins of all His people. But pray tell. what do you really think John 16;9 is saying. For me it is NOT what you think it is saying! I do believe, however; that there is a Scripture passage that stipulates that if you believe not in Jesus you will die in your sins, but not John 16:9.

Who do you think his people are? I don't care what you think I think its what does scripture say, but notice you didn't answer the question I asked you, then twist questions back to me, If that's your way of communicating your not being honest, One question you couldn't answer, Think, you need to make a choice, Do you actually know that there is a choice to make

We live in the Church Age under the gospel of the grace of God, and the requirement for you receiving the payment is to believe in Jesus. That offer is open to everyone while they are alive, If you die without believing it will not be forgiven In this Life or the Next, It comes back to the unforgivable Sin point you keep ignoring and how it aplies to the reality of every person
 
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@JunChosen

Heres some points I think are important to you

Point one
Jesus paid for all sin on the cross - Romans 3:25-27 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus. Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

Jesus went to the cross, shed His blood for all men

Romans 10:13 for whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved

Point 2
Jesus Blood paid for all Men - 1 Timothy 2:3-6 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

Point 3
Jesus Died for Whosoever - For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

The payment He made on the cross is for all men, but only when someone gets saved is it applied to their debt.

John 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

Paul and Silas told the Philippian jailer Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved
 
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If you are speaking of one of the New Testament writers I'm sorry to say you have learned nothing!
A lady named 1stCenturyLady replied to one of my posts. I asked her if she was really from the 1st century. A gentleman named QuietThinker replied to my post saying, "She's been my girlfriend for that long." I replied to his post by saying, "I wish you both all the happiness in the world. I had a teacher who was born somewhere around the 1st century." Then you replied to my post by saying, "If you are speaking of one of the New Testament writers I'm sorry to say you have learned nothing."

No, I was speaking to 1stCenturyLady and QuietThinker. (I'm assuming neither of them is one of the New Testament writers.)
 
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Yelling wrong doesn't make you right, Here is Scripture that shows what you said is wrong

1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

I apologize if you thought I was yelling. Bold words to me is just for emphasis.

1 John 2:2 is not only speaking to the Jews for Jesus came to seek and to save the lost. John 10:16 reads:
"And other sheep [Gentiles] I have, which are not of this fold [Jews]: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd."

Imagine, if Jesus paid for the sins of the whole world, then rightfully, no one can be sent to hell, but we know that hell will heavily be populated.

And, 1 John 2:2 must also be read in light of Acts 4:12 which reads: "Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we [believers] must be saved."

You actually contradicted yourself with your next line but that's getting expected, Believing on Jesus Isn't a Sin.... If you Don't Believe in Jesus You will die in your Sins, Jesus Did Pay for all the Sins of the World


That is not quite true that if you Don't Believe in Jesus You will die in your Sins, at least not according to Matthew 12:32 that declares: "Whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him..."

One sin is enough to send you to Hell, You pay for your sin if you reject the only sacrifice that was made for your sin, Your skipping what is important

Is that not what I said that the wages of sin [singular] is death, and that ultimately, any one sin is sufficient to send you to hell? Why then keep saying, "you pay for your sin if you reject the only sacrifice that was made for your sin?" What part of Matthew 12:32 did you not understand?

36) But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgement.
37) For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.

We we live in the Church Age under the gospel of the grace of God, and the requirement for you receiving the payment is to believe that Jesus is the Saviour and that He shed His blood for you and rose from the grave. That offer is open to everyone while they are alive, If you die without believing will not be forgiven In this Life or the Next, It comes back to the unforgivable Sin point you keep ignoring and how it aplies to the reality of every person

Here is where we differ in beliefs. I've offered you several Scripture references time and again yet I still have to see your offer of one [I could be wrong] reference except your opinions. Go figure.
 

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No, I was speaking to 1stCenturyLady and QuietThinker. (I'm assuming neither of them is one of the New Testament writers.)

I sure hope not!

We are in the market place [Christian forums] why jest?

What if an unlearned happened to peruse these forums and finds your posts, wouldn't he say these people are not serious? And so you might have lost a potential member?

Can you see what could have happened?
 

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I apologize if you thought I was yelling. Bold words to me is just for emphasis.

No problem but does emphasizing your wrong really add to the discussion? I showed scripture that I thought showed your wrong, I think that's more powerful

Imagine, if Jesus paid for the sins of the whole world, then rightfully, no one can be sent to hell, but we know that hell will heavily be populated.

I understand what you are trying to say but I answered in the post above, The payment He made on the cross is for all men, but only when someone gets saved is it applied to their debt.

Jesus paid for all men. Not for the elect only. I don't know why you cannot grasp the distinction. If the payment wasn't applied to someone's account its because they did not accept it - BUT - the payment was there. You cant say the payment was not there, Hopefully you can understand that, The payment was made for everyone, not a potential payment. No such thing in the Bible as a potential payment, pure nonsense. At the Great White Throne Judgment, anyone will see a Lamb slain from before the foundation of the world, and he will see the payment made for there sins that he rejected.

hat is not quite true that if you Don't Believe in Jesus You will die in your Sins, at least not according to Matthew 12:32 that declares: "Whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him..."

That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. that covers that, What happens if you don't believe and you perish and don't get eternal life, If you died having never believed will you still be forgiven? if you can answer that we can discuss
 
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I sure hope not!

We are in the market place [Christian forums] why jest?

What if an unlearned happened to peruse these forums and finds your posts, wouldn't he say these people are not serious? And so you might have lost a potential member?

Can you see what could have happened?
Life without humor would be rather dull.
 

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Jesus paid for all men. Not for the elect only. I don't know why you cannot grasp the distinction

Clearly Jesus DID NOT pay the sins for all men as is stipulated in Matthew 1:21 which reads:
"And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins."

His people are all those whom the Father gave Him in eternity past before the foundation of the world. John 6:37 reads:
"All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out."

We cannot be more smarter than God can we after giving us the Scripture passages above? I sure have grasp this distinction but have you?

If the payment wasn't applied to someone's account its because they did not accept it - BUT - the payment was there.

You are in error. Jesus said: "You have not chosen me , but I have chosen you." [John 15:16].

11) And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment:
12) And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless.
13) Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
14) FOR MANY ARE CALLED, BUT FEW ARE CHOSEN.
Matthew 22:11-14

That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. that covers that,

Not quite. John 3:16 is the most quoted verse in the world yet, it is the least misunderstood. We must qualify the term "whosoever believeth" and when we study the Bible we find that those whom God elected to salvation, are they who will believe!

[QUOTE="HisLife, post: 1223878, member: 9092"]What happens if you don't believe and you perish and don't get eternal life, If you died having never believed will you still be forgiven? if you can answer that we can discuss[/QUOTE]

Remember, we are told that all manner of sins are forgivable unto men even the blasphemy against the Son of man except the unforgivable sin, which the Pharisees committed saying that the power of Christ came from Satan.

Not only that! The gates of hell is upon every man because we are all sinners. And, the gates of hell can only be lifted once we become saved. So whether we believe in Jesus or not, if we die unsaved we will go to hell.

I hope this helps.