Are all “christians” on forums actually saved?

Lifelong_sinner · Jan 29, 2022

One of the most confusing aspects about “christians” and forums like this one and others, is unless a person admits to being an atheist or something similar, everyone freely admits to being saved. Like everyone just knows and has all this assurance of their salvation. And then i come along.

I KNOW i’m not saved. But i find it strange that, am i really the only one who believes in God, yet isnt saved and freely admits it??

now, please dont misinterpret what i’m saying, i’m not calling anyone’s salvation into question, nor am i trying to create doubt in anyone. But does anyone believe in false conversions anymore? I guess what i’m asking, is where does everyone get all this assurance from? I have to assume i’m not the only unsaved person on this forum simply because i do believe false conversions are a true pandemic today. Do you find it scary to be able to admit to yourself that you may not be saved? I guess i’d rather know now, rather than find out later on.

Bob Carabbio · Jan 29, 2022

Lifelong_sinner said:
Are all “christians” on forums actually saved?

Nope.

But does anyone believe in false conversions anymore?

Of course.

I guess what i’m asking, is where does everyone get all this assurance from?

The Holy Spirit bearing witness with YOUR spirit that you're a child of God. Those who are Born Again are indwelled by the Holy Spirit, and so we know. Those who are "Tares" in the church, have no idea what that even is.

Lifelong_sinner · Jan 29, 2022

Bob Carabbio said:
Nope.

Of course.

The Holy Spirit bearing witness with YOUR spirit that you're a child of God. Those who are Born Again are indwelled by the Holy Spirit, and so we know. Those who are "Tares" in the church, have no idea what that even is.

i’m definitely a Tare.

Lifelong_sinner · Jan 29, 2022

Wait. Mayflower is on to something. Im not saved, so im not a christian, so that means i shouldnt be able to post in the christian section. Dude is right. I literally never gave that any thought.

Enoch111 · Jan 29, 2022

Lifelong_sinner said:
I KNOW i’m not saved. But i find it strange that, am i really the only one who believes in God, yet isnt saved and freely admits it?

Looks that way. As for everyone else only God knows. Now if you believe "in" God then you should also just "believe" Him. Trust Him. Which means believe the record that He has given of His Son. And if you believe that record, then you must also believe "in" and "on' the Lord Jesus Christ. So you have absolutely no excuse.

ROMANS 10:YOU ARE TO CALL UPON CHRIST TO SAVE YOU
8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

kcnalp · Jan 29, 2022

Romans 10:9-10 (NKJV)
9 If you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Lambano · Jan 29, 2022

I learned to trust that God loves me and desires to save me. My trust derives from the loving character of God as revealed in scripture. "For God so loved the world that He gave His only-begotten Son..." "God demonstrates His love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us..." "For God does not desire that any should perish..." Do you believe those scriptures?

God once asked me, in a period of intense prayer eighteen years ago: "Why don't you trust Me?" Then He gave me a hug. Now I ask you the same: You say you believe in God; why don't you trust Him?

Maybe "trust" sounds easier than it really is.

Maybe you just need for God to give you a hug.
(((@Lifelong_sinner)))

Desire Of All Nations · Jan 29, 2022

You're not the only one. I distinctly avoid calling myself a Christian in any discussion because i know i haven't met all the requirements to call myself a true Christian in good conscience. When i get baptized again, i want it to be done by someone who is actually qualified to do it by the biblical standard this time. Until then, i will simply do my best to believe and practice what the Bible says.

As to why most professing Christians presume they are actual Christians and are saved, it's because they follow their own standards of what constitutes true conversion and not the biblical standard. People tend to declare themselves to be Christians simply because they want their opinions to be viewed as authoritative. If they were to outwardly admit that they are not a Christian by the biblical standard of conversion, they're afraid that their opinions would hold significantly less weight in a discussion. I can guarantee you that at least most people who boldly declare they are Christians are lying to themselves and other people.

Lifelong_sinner · Jan 29, 2022

Desire Of All Nations said:
You're not the only one. I distinctly avoid calling myself a Christian in any discussion because i know i haven't met all the requirements to call myself a true Christian in good conscience. When i get baptized again, i want it to be done by someone who is actually qualified to do it by the biblical standard this time. Until then, i will simply do my best to believe and practice what the Bible says.

As to why most professing Christians presume they are actual Christians and are saved, it's because they follow their own standards of what constitutes true conversion and not the biblical standard. People tend to declare themselves to be Christians simply because they want their opinions to be viewed as authoritative. If they were to outwardly admit that they are not a Christian by the biblical standard of conversion, they're afraid that they're opinions would hold significantly less weight in a discussion. I can guarantee you that at least most people who boldly declare they are Christians are lying to themselves and other people.

dude, i gotta tell you, i had to like your comment because i do think you spoke the truth. I believe we have more false conversions in church than actual saved folk. And thats part of why i made this thread. But sometimes, when it seems like you’re alone in something, you wonder, is it just me? Or are there others who think along the same line.

Nancy · Jan 29, 2022

Lifelong_sinner said:
i’m definitely a Tare.

Why are you so sure that you are NOT saved/being saved?
The solid assurance many claim is awesome but, with some it can be a back and forth thing...I try to watch the words of my mouth as, it seems they can become self fulfilled prophecy.

Brother, I do question my own salvation, more than I would like but, the thought comes on that it's "faith" in what HE say's about us that is lacking. This "assurance" from the Holy Spirit is something that escapes me...are we to take it on faith? Is it a "feeling"? I look at my own fruit or lack there of and, judge myself all. the. time. Who do I think I am?? A judge?! Not of myself so...depending on His mercies each day is what keeps me going.
BTW-perhaps I was prepared for the lake of fire? I do not know...it is not something I will think on for too long or deeply as, it WILL put me in a pit of despair!

GEN2REV · Jan 29, 2022

Lifelong_sinner said:
One of the most confusing aspects about “christians” and forums like this one and others, is unless a person admits to being an atheist or something similar, everyone freely admits to being saved. Like everyone just knows and has all this assurance of their salvation. And then i come along.

I KNOW i’m not saved. But i find it strange that, am i really the only one who believes in God, yet isnt saved and freely admits it??

now, please dont misinterpret what i’m saying, i’m not calling anyone’s salvation into question, nor am i trying to create doubt in anyone. But does anyone believe in false conversions anymore? I guess what i’m asking, is where does everyone get all this assurance from? I have to assume i’m not the only unsaved person on this forum simply because i do believe false conversions are a true pandemic today. Do you find it scary to be able to admit to yourself that you may not be saved? I guess i’d rather know now, rather than find out later on.

Salvation is a process.

What are we being saved from?

From destruction.

When does that happen?

Undeniably at some point after our physical death, or the end of the world.

Therefore, none of us are saved YET.

This position lines up perfectly with scripture. Paul stated clearly that he didn't consider himself saved yet. In Hebrews and Corinthians he spoke of running the race of life properly. It is not a sprint, it is a marathon of endurance. Jesus and His Ways are our hope of salvation. Those who believe in Him will be saved if they endure to the end.

All backed by scripture.

Scott Downey · Jan 29, 2022

kcnalp said:
Romans 10:9-10 (NKJV)
9 If you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Good point, but what exactly are they confessing about Christ?
Jesus Christ warns us many false Christs will come.

Lifelong_sinner · Jan 29, 2022

Nancy said:
Why are you so sure that you are NOT saved/being saved?
The solid assurance many claim is awesome but, with some it can be a back and forth thing...I try to watch the words of my mouth as, it seems they can become self fulfilled prophecy.

Brother, I do question my own salvation, more than I would like but, the thought comes on that it's "faith" in what HE say's about us that is lacking. This "assurance" from the Holy Spirit is something that escapes me...are we to take it on faith? Is it a "feeling"? I look at my own fruit or lack there of and, judge myself all. the. time. Who do I think I am?? A judge?! Not of myself so...depending on His mercies each day is what keeps me going.
BTW-perhaps I was prepared for the lake of fire? I do not know...it is not something I will think on for too long or deeply as, it WILL put me in a pit of despair!

i know that i’m not saved because to put it as easily as i can, i dont hate what God hates, and i dont love what God loves. Theres been no change in me, i feel no guilt over any particular sin i do. Do i recognize that i’m a sinner? Yes. But do i feel bad when i willfully, habitually commit a sin? No. Theres no good fruit from me.
I think doubt is normal. Everyone has doubt time from time. But i think denial is different. And yes, i understand the despair part too. But i learned a long time ago, being truthful isnt just about others, but ourselves too. Its real easy to convince ourselves of a lie. If i cant be truthful to myself, how could i ever hope to be truthful with others. But i also am the kind of person who wants the truth, now, regardless of despair. If i’m dying of a disease, just tell me. Dont wait till i have a few days left and then tell me.

Scott Downey · Jan 29, 2022

Lifelong_sinner said:
i know that i’m not saved because to put it as easily as i can, i dont hate what God hates, and i dont love what God loves. Theres been no change in me, i feel no guilt over any particular sin i do. Do i recognize that i’m a sinner? Yes. But do i feel bad when i willfully, habitually commit a sin? No. Theres no good fruit from me.
I think doubt is normal. Everyone has doubt time from time. But i think denial is different. And yes, i understand the despair part too. But i learned a long time ago, being truthful isnt just about others, but ourselves too. Its real easy to convince ourselves of a lie. If i cant be truthful to myself, how could i ever hope to be truthful with others. But i also am the kind of person who wants the truth, now, regardless of despair. If i’m dying of a disease, just tell me. Dont wait till i have a few days left and then tell me.

Where do you place yourself regarding the following. Good fruit is not good works, too many mix that up, there is a difference. We are told we must bear good fruit to be saved.

Galatians 5:19-23
New King James Version
19 Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, 21 envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law.

Lifelong_sinner · Jan 29, 2022

Scott Downey said:
Where do you place yourself regarding the following. Good fruit is not good works, too many mix that up, there is a difference. We are told we must bear good fruit to be saved.

Galatians 5:19-23
New King James Version
19 Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, 21 envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law.

too easy, let me break it down for you.

In the first part, works of the flesh, i count 18 items being listed. Of those 18, i have done 11 just this morning. And i will continue on with those 11 throughout the day. Without a bother. And i do them daily, no hourly.
The second part, there are 9 items listed. Of the 9, if you are saved, then all 9 should be seen, since it is the Holy Spirit working in you so that you can do those things. Of that 9, i have done zero, especially the self control part. The fact that i have done 11 works of the flesh this morning should prove i have no self control. But the problem is, my reaction to doing those 11. My reaction is, i feel nothing about them. Theres no conviction. I did them this morning, and i’ll be doing this afternoon and evening.

atpollard · Jan 29, 2022

Lifelong_sinner said:
i know that i’m not saved because to put it as easily as i can, i dont hate what God hates, and i dont love what God loves. Theres been no change in me, i feel no guilt over any particular sin i do. Do i recognize that i’m a sinner? Yes. But do i feel bad when i willfully, habitually commit a sin? No. Theres no good fruit from me.

I don’t understand why you are wasting time HERE and with this question. Before GOD laid claim to me, I wasn’t wringing my hands over not feeling bad about sin. To quote Madea … “Get them before they get you” was the operating principle.

It was GOD that made me care.
Why do you care if it is not about God?

… “You live, you die, and you don’t even leave behind a hole to prove that you were here.”

Nancy · Jan 29, 2022

Lifelong_sinner said:
i know that i’m not saved because to put it as easily as i can, i dont hate what God hates, and i dont love what God loves. Theres been no change in me, i feel no guilt over any particular sin i do. Do i recognize that i’m a sinner? Yes. But do i feel bad when i willfully, habitually commit a sin? No. Theres no good fruit from me.
I think doubt is normal. Everyone has doubt time from time. But i think denial is different. And yes, i understand the despair part too. But i learned a long time ago, being truthful isnt just about others, but ourselves too. Its real easy to convince ourselves of a lie. If i cant be truthful to myself, how could i ever hope to be truthful with others. But i also am the kind of person who wants the truth, now, regardless of despair. If i’m dying of a disease, just tell me. Dont wait till i have a few days left and then tell me.

Yet, you identify as "Christian". Or, is that just because you fully believe in what you read, and have had interpreted TO you by...men. Just like ALL the other "isms" I too for a very long time had myself convinced I was simply kindling for hell fire and there was not a thing to be done.
I left the church for many years...yet He never left my side it was I who walked away because of my sin. I have to wonder why you are on here brother, and I call you brother because your status is Christian. I think you are seeking...BE JUSTIFIED IN HIM!
God (IMHO) is surely working in you and you are never beyond His mercies. Been on your face, literally lately? Perhaps with petitions of His evidence to become a reality for you? Actually believing what He say's and not what you have been led to believe. YOU are not out of His reach, lol...ever.
You may simply buy into the "fact" that God does not love you in your sin even. He CAME for sinners! For me it was simply opening my clenched fists wide, asking Him to take EVERYTHING and, then to fill my hands with His love for others, His desires...the flesh and the spirit are always at war,
You are not beyond Gods will for you. Just got to stop for a moment and, think about what He say's about us, even through our sin. Do you ask for the desire to repent?
I pray for you LLS.
In His love bro!
P.S.
You want truth...Who IS the Truth?

Pearl · Jan 29, 2022

Are all “christians” on forums actually saved?

In a word no.

farouk · Jan 29, 2022

Paticipating in activities with other Christians does encourage one's faith. Acts 2.42 speaks of the early believers continuing steadfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship and breaking of bread and prayers.

Lambano · Jan 29, 2022

Lifelong_sinner said:
i know that i’m not saved because to put it as easily as i can, i dont hate what God hates, and i dont love what God loves. Theres been no change in me, i feel no guilt over any particular sin i do. Do i recognize that i’m a sinner? Yes. But do i feel bad when i willfully, habitually commit a sin? No. Theres no good fruit from me.

First trust Him. Sanctifying changes can be incremental and sometimes only visible when looking back over a period of many years. Look it this way - someone as screwed-up as me or you is going to take time to fix. Be patient and trust Him. So far you haven't said that you do trust Him. Or Christ's sacrifice on your behalf.

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