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According Scriptures, where was/is the root of the fig tree? Knowing where was the root of the fig tree, my Lord JESUS executed tempestively His righteous Judgment against the fig tree, and JESUS proclaimed the sentence of the fruitless and useless fig tree that was no longer good for anything; and the sentence was: Let no fruit grow on thee HENCEFORWARD FOR EVER. This has been fulfilled LITERALLY against Israel, against the dry land.
Israel has been punished many times with destruction and persecutions for their rebellious behavior against GOD, their Creator. Moses warned all Israel about SEVERE punishments and harsh CURSES for disobedience. Deut.28:v.15 to 68, 53 verses of strong punishments, and these CURSES and punishments fell upon the nation whenever they disobeyed the commandments and instructions of the Lord given through Moses.

The worst of all was to crucify Jesus, the Messiah, who GOD sent for the salvation of Israel firstly, and by whom GOD Father established the New Covenant, which Israel rejected. What was the consequence of this insane behavior? The consequences came in the year 70 AD, as JESUS said to the fig tree: "Let no fruit grow on thee HENCEFORWARD FOR EVER. This sentence of the Lord JESUS fulfilled LITERALLY until the current time against Israel, and will fulfill FOR EVER and EVER.

In the year 70 AD, hundreds of thousands of Israel's people were killed by the Romans, those who fled and escaped, they scattered themselves around the world, and were persecuted in the four corners of the earth, from the year 70 to the year 1948 AD, in fact they were severely PUNISHED and left without NATION for 1,878 years, the CURSES which Moses exposed to them, they fell upon all the Jews wherever they went. Deut. 28:v.15 to 68-Check it.
And now, what will happen with the nation of Israel that has returned to their land, in fulfillment of all that is written about them in the Word of God? They still reject JESUS and His Gospel, the Jews are waiting the manifestation of their peculiar messiah, not JESUS. By the way, the Lord JESUS did know they will receive another messiah and He prophesied about the coming of this IMPOSTOR. JESUS said to the Jews: (John 5:v.43-47) 43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if ANOTHER shall come in his own name (a FALSE messiah, an IMPOSTER, an USURPER), him ye will receive.

Who is this the false messiah of the ESOTERIC and kabbalistic and spiritist Jewish nation, yeah, who is this IMPOSTOR? He is the Beast which will rise up out of the earth (Rev.13:v.11-18), whose coming is after the working of Satan (2Thes.2:9-12) with all power and signs and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness IN THEM THAT PERISH; because they received not the love of the truth (they received not JESUS), that they might be saved. For this cause God shall SEND THEM STRONG DELUSION, that they should believe a lie (the Jews will believe in the false messiah, as JESUS warned them: John 5:v.v.43. Check it): That THEY ALL MIGHT BE DAMNED who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Based in this Word of God, the esoteric, and kabbalistic, and spiritist Israel, they are lost once believing in a FALSE messiah, an IMPOSTOR.
Romans 2:v.12- as many as have sinned in the law (the JEWS) shall be Judged by the law; and as many as have sinned without law (the GENTILES) shall also PERISH without law.


According Scriptures, where was/is the root of the fig tree?

Genesis 3:v.7 - The eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons / girdles.

God did not accept the model that Adam and Eve created to hide or cover their nakedness.

 
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Fluffy,

The fig tree is code for Israel in the Old Testament. From the time that the fig tree and for that matter many of the deciduous trees, the bud leaves in the late Winter days and as stated in Matthew, the Summer Harvest Season will be upon us. If 1948 was the year that the fig tree budded new leaves after being withered for close on 2,000 years, then the sign given is the duration in days between when the Fig Tree buds and the Everlasting Kingdom, spoken about in Daniel 2, is established and the Summer season of harvest begins, first with the redemption of Israel as Christ's first Fruits of the final age.

As the spring season separates the end of Winter and the beginning of Summer, we have a time period of 91 + days, depending on the number of days that Spring is early with the budding of the leaves of the trees. If we consider that a day in a prophetic passage is equivalent to a year then 91 + years will pass until the beginning of the Last Age when God intends to establish His everlasting Kingdom during the time of those king that make up the last segment of the Daniel 2 Statue prophecy. The other event that is to occur at the same time is the foundational Rock that come down out of heaven that Declares that Jesus is the Son of God, and that all peoples should worship Him.

There is much to find and understand about this time of Spring between when the Fig Tree buds and the last Age for mankind begins.

May God open your eyes to enable you to see what has already been recorded in His Prophetic scriptures. May you be able to join the facts together such that you can make sense of what is recorded in the prophetic scriptures and the unfolding history of mankind. All that I ask is that you be careful in linking the recorded history of man with what we find in the scripture so that you are not lead astray into false tales of conjecture oof mere men with no understanding at all.

Shalom
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If Israel is the fig tree and you say it budded in 1948, who were all the other trees (nations) that also had to bud in 1948 if you take the text that way? Cause I’m not familiar with multiple nations being born that year….
 
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Jay Ross,
If Israel is the fig tree and you say it budded in 1948, who were all the other trees (nations) that also had to bud in 1948 if you take the text that way? Cause I’m not familiar with multiple nations being born that year….
The other trees....refers to the fact that most other nations have also experienced a tremendous growth and prosperity since 1948.
 

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Jay Ross,
If Israel is the fig tree and you say it budded in 1948, who were all the other trees (nations) that also had to bud in 1948 if you take the text that way? Cause I’m not familiar with multiple nations being born that year….

Your question is well worth considering.

My understanding is that there many types of deciduous trees around the world and the timing of each particular deciduous trees budding is very dependant on the weather conditions in play for the particular climate of the region in question.

Now Matt 24:32 and Mark 13:28 specifically speaks of the budding of a fig tree, however Luke 21:29-30 presents a very different picture where it says: -


Luke 21:29-30: - 29 Then He spoke to them a parable: "Look at the fig tree, and all the trees. 30 When they are already budding, you see and know for yourselves that summer is now near."

whereas, the Matt and Mark prophetic word, simply tells us that "summer is near."

The Luke passage states that when all of the deciduous tree are budding new leaves, that summer now near. In the Luke passage all of the Budding Trees is the sign that the Summer is now near, whereas in the Matt and Mark passages, only the Fig tree is mentioned as the sign tree.
 
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prosperity maybe?


"The fig tree is the third tree to be mentioned by name in the Hebrew Bible. The first is the Tree of life and the second is the Tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Adam and Eve used the leaves of the fig tree to sew garments for themselves after they ate the "fruit of the Tree of knowledge" (Genesis 2:16–17), when they realized that they were naked (Genesis 3:7).


In Deuteronomy, the Promised Land is described as "a land of wheat and barley, of vines and fig trees and pomegranates, a land of olive oil and honey; a land where you will eat food without scarcity, in which you will not lack anything;" (Deuteronomy 8:8–10). During Solomon's reign Judah and Israel, from Dan to Beersheba, lived in safety, each man "under his own vine and fig tree" (1 Kings 4:25), an indicator of national wealth and prosperity. 2 Kings 18 states that Hezekiah rebelled against the King of Assyria, of whom he had become a vassal. In response, the Assyrian commander attempted to sway the army of Jerusalem by offering deserters each his own vine and fig tree.

Proverbs 27:18 likens tending a fig tree to looking after one's master. There was a fig tree in the garden of the Song of Solomon, and in the year of love the tree formed its fruit early (Song 2:13)..." wikiwand
 

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I saw this short little documentary recently about two women who raised up a fig tree from Jesus time. I'll link it down below.

I always grew up hearing about the fig tree being a prophecy, but when I looked it up I didn't see that.

Look at the fig tree, and all the trees.30 When they are sprouting leaves already, you see and know for yourselves that summer is now near. 31 So in like manner, when you see these things happening, you know that the kingdom of God is near. 32 “Truly, I tell you, this generation will not pass away until all these things are fulfilled.” Luke 21:29-32

I'm still thinking about it but it sounds like an example.

The message being you can see things happening that are signs of the Kingdom of God being near, like when you know summer is coming soon, because of the signs on the tree- not that the fig tree itself symbolizes anything.

The similar example of signs given in nature also shows up in Matthew 16:3

And in the morning, if the sky is dark and red, you say that it will be a rainy day. These are signs of the weather. You see these signs in the sky and know what they mean. In the same way, you see the things that are happening now. These are also signs, but you don’t know their meaning.


I think if you can understand the way a speaker communicates, and patterns of speech, you would understand what he is saying.

BUT WHAT SIGNS..?

Not the tree. All of the signs from Luke 21:7 and onward that he was describing after the disciples asked " Master, but when shall these things be? and what sign will there be when these things shall come to pass?"

Verse 29-32 comes after.



You are correct, even though God at times shows Israel as a fig tree in the old testament, in this instance Jesus is not speaking about the fig tree, but about the fig trees leaves coming forth and juxtaposing that with summer being near. This was unto the Jews living during the 870th week, no unto the Jews raptured in the Pre Trib Rapture, thus they shall know when they see the LAST SIGN of Matt. 24:30-32 (the Sun and Moon going dark) that Jesus' coming (the Second Coming) would be near.

Its really just that simple to be honest, the Leaves of the fig tree are in this instance juxtaposing Jesus Second Coming as being near.
 
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Jay Ross,
If Israel is the fig tree and you say it budded in 1948, who were all the other trees (nations) that also had to bud in 1948 if you take the text that way? Cause I’m not familiar with multiple nations being born that year….

Doesn't make sense.
 

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Doesn't make sense.
I responded to the scripture he quoted.

Luke 21:29-30: - 29 Then He spoke to them a parable: "Look at the fig tree, and all the trees. 30 When they are already budding, you see and know for yourselves that summer is now near."

The comment was made that the fig tree represents Israel. For people that think Israel budded in 1948 and use this scripture for that claim, I asked in rebuttal a rather simple question.

Who are all the “other trees” that would also have to bud in 1948.
 
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I responded to the scripture he quoted.

Luke 21:29-30: - 29 Then He spoke to them a parable: "Look at the fig tree, and all the trees. 30 When they are already budding, you see and know for yourselves that summer is now near."

The comment was made that the fig tree represents Israel. For people that think Israel budded in 1948 and use this scripture for that claim, I asked in rebuttal a rather simple question.

Who are all the “other trees” that would also have to bud in 1948.

But the Matthew 24 and Mark 13 versions don't mention "all the trees", which means that was not His main point of that verse. Jesus was simply comparing how when the fig tree (and even all trees) sprouts leaves it reveals a season or a time. And as for the fig being a comparison to Israel as fact, our Heavenly Father Himself revealed that in Jeremiah 24 when He showed Jeremiah a vision of two baskets of figs, and one of them He referred to as Judah. And further there, He revealed there the time would come when He would leave Judah and not remove them again. So to exclude the Jeremiah 24 prophecy from Christ's parable of the fig tree shows a lack of Bible study, or an attempt at pushing an agenda against what Jesus said there.
 

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But the Matthew 24 and Mark 13 versions don't mention "all the trees", which means that was not His main point of that verse. Jesus was simply comparing how when the fig tree (and even all trees) sprouts leaves it reveals a season or a time. And as for the fig being a comparison to Israel as fact, our Heavenly Father Himself revealed that in Jeremiah 24 when He showed Jeremiah a vision of two baskets of figs, and one of them He referred to as Judah. And further there, He revealed there the time would come when He would leave Judah and not remove them again. So to exclude the Jeremiah 24 prophecy from Christ's parable of the fig tree shows a lack of Bible study, or an attempt at pushing an agenda against what Jesus said there.
That is correct, only Luke identified “other trees”. Of course, Luke was a physician who wrote specifics too. But that fact doesn’t matter to me because the point of that scripture is the context. That being, it has nothing to do with Israel in the Middle East.
What it has to do with is noticing signs when they happen. Christ just finished explaining his future coming. He used the parable to demonstrate to them there would be a noticeable change just as there’s a noticeable change when a tree begins to sprout, we know warm weather comes.

Those that try to symbolize this really do a disservice to the context. And I’m not sure why the push to do so. After all, is that how hermeneutics are used?
 

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I responded to the scripture he quoted.

Luke 21:29-30: - 29 Then He spoke to them a parable: "Look at the fig tree, and all the trees. 30 When they are already budding, you see and know for yourselves that summer is now near."

The comment was made that the fig tree represents Israel. For people that think Israel budded in 1948 and use this scripture for that claim, I asked in rebuttal a rather simple question.

Who are all the “other trees” that would also have to bud in 1948.

Perhaps Genesis 15:16 might clear up the Luke 21:29-30 passage for you, in that God told Abraham that in the fourth Age of his descendants, that some of his descendants would return to the land of Canaan in their own strength and that at that time the iniquities of the Amorite people who have also lived in and around the land of Canaan will come will not have been fully completed.

Based on my personal chronological research, I would suggest that exactly 4,000 years after the birth of Isaac in 1948, some of Abraham's descendants returned to the Land of Canaan in their own strength and without the help of God in an attempt to force God's hand to fulfil His promises with respect to Israel and their redemption. However, since the visitation of the iniquities of the fathers of the first and second ages has not yet been completed since the fourth age still has some years yet to complete before its completions, we have only seen the Fig Tree, i.e. Israel, budding leaves without any fruit being seen on the fig tree yet.

Now Jesus did tell the parable of the barren fig tree in Luke 13:6-9 where he was making a reference to the nation of Israel by use of the metaphor of a fig tree as representative of Israel. In the Parable, in the 11 centaury, A.D., Jesus tells us that God wants to destroy the planted fig tree in His Garden because it was not bearing any fruit, however, Jesus as the carer of the garden interceded for another year/season/age and said, 'Sir, let it alone this year, {i.e. age}, also, until I dig around it and fertilize it. And if it bears fruit, well. But if not, after that you can cut it down.'

The Lesson that can be learned from the fig tree is that when fig trees begin to bud leaves that there is a time span between when the fig tree buds and when the summer begins when the plentiful harvest begins.

It is my understanding that the end of this age will occur in around 22 years time and that this end of the age will also co-inside with the Judgement of the Kings of the earth at Armageddon and the fallen heavenly hosts in the heavens and they will be collected together and imprisoned for many days to await the time of their punishment. As Paul wrote in Romans 11:25-26, when the fullness in time of the Gentiles is complete, then after that all of Israel will be saved. As Israel applies Isaiah 58, so God will heal them and make them pleasing within His sight because the first fruits, Israel, after the establishment of God's Everlasting kingdom will be visible for God to see and He will sprinkle clean water over them to heal them and to dedicate them to become a Kingdom of Priests, a Holy Nation and His possession among the Gentiles.

There is much that we do not understand, but what little we can glean from the Scriptures, the above is true and the Fig tree is a metaphor of Israel. Why is that so? Because Scripture tells us so.

Shalom
 
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Perhaps Genesis 15:16 might clear up the Luke 21:29-30 passage for you, in that God told Abraham that in the fourth Age of his descendants, that some of his descendants would return to the land of Canaan in their own strength and that at that time the iniquities of the Amorite people who have also lived in and around the land of Canaan will come will not have been fully completed.

Based on my personal chronological research, I would suggest that exactly 4,000 years after the birth of Isaac in 1948, some of Abraham's descendants returned to the Land of Canaan in their own strength and without the help of God in an attempt to force God's hand to fulfil His promises with respect to Israel and their redemption. However, since the visitation of the iniquities of the fathers of the first and second ages has not yet been completed since the fourth age still has some years yet to complete before its completions, we have only seen the Fig Tree, i.e. Israel, budding leaves without any fruit being seen on the fig tree yet.

Now Jesus did tell the parable of the barren fig tree in Luke 13:6-9 where he was making a reference to the nation of Israel by use of the metaphor of a fig tree as representative of Israel. In the Parable, in the 11 centaury, Jesus tells us that God wants to destroy the planted fig tree in His Garden because it was not bearing any fruit, however, Jesus as the carer of the garden interceded for another year/season/age and said, 'Sir, let it alone this year, {i.e. age}, also, until I dig around it and fertilize it. And if it bears fruit, well. But if not, after that you can cut it down.'

The Lesson that can be learned from the fig tree is that when fig trees begin to bud leaves that there is a time span between when the fig tree buds and when the summer begins when the plentiful harvest begins.

It is my understanding that the end of this age will occur in around 22 years time and that this end of the age will also co-inside with the Judgement of the Kings of the earth at Armageddon and the fallen heavenly hosts in the heavens and they will be collected together and imprisoned for many days to await the time of their punishment. As Paul wrote in Romans 11:25-26, when the fullness in time of the Gentiles is complete, then after that all of Israel will be saved. As Israel applies Isaiah 58, so God will heal them and make them pleasing within His sight because the first fruits, Israel, after the establishment of God's Everlasting kingdom will be visible for God to see and He will sprinkle clean water over them to heal them and to dedicate them to become a Kingdom of Priests, a Holy Nation and His possession among the Gentiles.

There is much that we do not understand, but what little we can glean from the Scriptures, the above is true and the Fig tree is a metaphor of Israel. Why is that so? Because Scripture tells us so.

Shalom

??? Weird!

The matter is very simple. Jesus used the fig tree parable about the Jews returning to the lands of promise, and about God not removing them out again, and that... would signal the last generation that will see Christ's future return.

The main point of Christ's parable of the fig tree is show the last generation that will see His future return, which shall be the generation that will see "all these things" that He was teaching upon the Mount of Olives about the end just prior to His return.

So the parable is definitely NOT about some multiple centuries past to the present, nor any such idea as that. It is about the FINAL generation in the last days. And the Jeremiah 24 promise from God set the last generation with the return of the Jews to create the nation of Israel again.
 

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??? Weird!

Yea. God's prophetic words can be weird when we do not understand it. Let them who have eyes to see and ear to hear, come into God's understanding.

Shalom
 

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Jesus didn't only speak of one fig tree. What about the other ones?


Luk 21:29 And he spake to them a parable; Behold the fig tree, and all the trees;
Luk 21:30 When they now shoot forth, ye see and know of your own selves that summer is now nigh at hand.
Luk 21:31 So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand.


Clearly this has nothing to do with 1948 or 1967 or Israel. He is speaking of all trees, when they shoot forth then summer is near which is the kingdom of God ie: the second coming. What he is saying is there are signs that people will see that will tell them when Great Tribulation and the second coming are near. It has nothing at all to do with Israel, not in 1948, 1967 or any year. It's not about only the fig tree. It's about how all trees behave when spring begins. They begin to come back to life and start growing and sprouting! It's a wonderful time of year! We are currently in the winter prophetically. We are looking for the signs of sprouting which is progression but progression of end times events. We need to be looking for the Revelation 13 events of two beasts and those global changes. Many of the "sprouting signs" are also found in the Olivet Discourse.
 

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I saw this short little documentary recently about two women who raised up a fig tree from Jesus time. I'll link it down below.

I always grew up hearing about the fig tree being a prophecy, but when I looked it up I didn't see that.

Look at the fig tree, and all the trees.30 When they are sprouting leaves already, you see and know for yourselves that summer is now near. 31 So in like manner, when you see these things happening, you know that the kingdom of God is near. 32 “Truly, I tell you, this generation will not pass away until all these things are fulfilled.” Luke 21:29-32

I'm still thinking about it but it sounds like an example.

The message being you can see things happening that are signs of the Kingdom of God being near, like when you know summer is coming soon, because of the signs on the tree- not that the fig tree itself symbolizes anything.

The similar example of signs given in nature also shows up in Matthew 16:3

And in the morning, if the sky is dark and red, you say that it will be a rainy day. These are signs of the weather. You see these signs in the sky and know what they mean. In the same way, you see the things that are happening now. These are also signs, but you don’t know their meaning.


I think if you can understand the way a speaker communicates, and patterns of speech, you would understand what he is saying.

BUT WHAT SIGNS..?

Not the tree. All of the signs from Luke 21:7 and onward that he was describing after the disciples asked " Master, but when shall these things be? and what sign will there be when these things shall come to pass?"

Verse 29-32 comes after.




Israel.
 

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Perhaps Genesis 15:16 might clear up the Luke 21:29-30 passage for you, in that God told Abraham that in the fourth Age of his descendants, that some of his descendants would return to the land of Canaan in their own strength and that at that time the iniquities of the Amorite people who have also lived in and around the land of Canaan will come will not have been fully completed.

Based on my personal chronological research, I would suggest that exactly 4,000 years after the birth of Isaac in 1948, some of Abraham's descendants returned to the Land of Canaan in their own strength and without the help of God in an attempt to force God's hand to fulfil His promises with respect to Israel and their redemption. However, since the visitation of the iniquities of the fathers of the first and second ages has not yet been completed since the fourth age still has some years yet to complete before its completions, we have only seen the Fig Tree, i.e. Israel, budding leaves without any fruit being seen on the fig tree yet.

Now Jesus did tell the parable of the barren fig tree in Luke 13:6-9 where he was making a reference to the nation of Israel by use of the metaphor of a fig tree as representative of Israel. In the Parable, in the 11 centaury, Jesus tells us that God wants to destroy the planted fig tree in His Garden because it was not bearing any fruit, however, Jesus as the carer of the garden interceded for another year/season/age and said, 'Sir, let it alone this year, {i.e. age}, also, until I dig around it and fertilize it. And if it bears fruit, well. But if not, after that you can cut it down.'

The Lesson that can be learned from the fig tree is that when fig trees begin to bud leaves that there is a time span between when the fig tree buds and when the summer begins when the plentiful harvest begins.

It is my understanding that the end of this age will occur in around 22 years time and that this end of the age will also co-inside with the Judgement of the Kings of the earth at Armageddon and the fallen heavenly hosts in the heavens and they will be collected together and imprisoned for many days to await the time of their punishment. As Paul wrote in Romans 11:25-26, when the fullness in time of the Gentiles is complete, then after that all of Israel will be saved. As Israel applies Isaiah 58, so God will heal them and make them pleasing within His sight because the first fruits, Israel, after the establishment of God's Everlasting kingdom will be visible for God to see and He will sprinkle clean water over them to heal them and to dedicate them to become a Kingdom of Priests, a Holy Nation and His possession among the Gentiles.

There is much that we do not understand, but what little we can glean from the Scriptures, the above is true and the Fig tree is a metaphor of Israel. Why is that so? Because Scripture tells us so.

Shalom
Im not sure about that. I think it’s prudent to be careful not to assume every mention of a fig tree to be national Israel. Otherwise, do we use that same logic with Mark 11:13-14 where Christ tells his disciples let no fruit grow on this fig tree forever? If so, and if Israel is the fig tree..they will never ever bear fruit. This is why I prefer the context and we ought to be carefully diligent in study not to apply 1 meaning to all meanings.

With so much in this thread on national Israel, do people forget we are grafted INTO Israel? How do you separate Israel into 2 when grafted into the 1? It is because fleshly Israel are not children of the promise, Israel is of those by faith whether Jew or Gentile. And national fleshly Israel today are not of faith but are antichrist and enemies of the gospel. You will say but they are beloved for the Father’s sake…yes, Paul tells us that. They were some of the original branch of Israel that were cut off and because they were cut out of Israel we are grafted in and are now part of Israel. But not all were cut out leaving some of the original branch in Israel so that we have not 1 bloodline to make Israel, but by faith, regardless of the bloodline is the true Israel. Notice I said we are grafted into an already existing Israel of God, we don’t supersede it.
 
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Yea. God's prophetic words can be weird when we do not understand it. Let them who have eyes to see and ear to hear, come into God's understanding.

Shalom

Let's break down what you said then:

Jay Ross said...
Perhaps Genesis 15:16 might clear up the Luke 21:29-30 passage for you, in that God told Abraham that in the fourth Age of his descendants, that some of his descendants would return to the land of Canaan in their own strength and that at that time the iniquities of the Amorite people who have also lived in and around the land of Canaan will come will not have been fully completed.

What God told Abraham was much more simple that what you said, which sounded like some pretentious sage trying to present a false mystery. God told Abraham that the children of Israel will serve in Egypt for 430 years, and then be led out, and come to the lands of Canaan, that because the iniquity of the Amorites was then not yet full, meaning what? It means God would wait 430 years from that time of the Promise to Abraham to destroy the Amorites because of their iniquity. And God would use the children of Israel to accomplish that destruction of the Amorites we know per Deuteronomy 20.

Based on my personal chronological research, I would suggest that exactly 4,000 years after the birth of Isaac in 1948, some of Abraham's descendants returned to the Land of Canaan in their own strength and without the help of God in an attempt to force God's hand to fulfil His promises with respect to Israel and their redemption. However, since the visitation of the iniquities of the fathers of the first and second ages has not yet been completed since the fourth age still has some years yet to complete before its completions, we have only seen the Fig Tree, i.e. Israel, budding leaves without any fruit being seen on the fig tree yet.

The 1948 return of 'some' of the Jews to the holy land in the middle east had nothing to do with God's promise to Abraham involving the 430 years. Prior to 1948, even back to the 7th century A.D., there actually were many Jews that returned to the holy land from old Europe, because of being cast out by the Christian nations for refusing to convert to Christianity. And those Jews that went back to the holy land actually lived in peace with the Arabs in that time prior to 1948. So there is no way to apply any "fourth age" idea to that time of 1948, which is actually 'weird' to think you can.

Now Jesus did tell the parable of the barren fig tree in Luke 13:6-9 where he was making a reference to the nation of Israel by use of the metaphor of a fig tree as representative of Israel. In the Parable, in the 11 centaury, Jesus tells us that God wants to destroy the planted fig tree in His Garden because it was not bearing any fruit, however, Jesus as the carer of the garden interceded for another year/season/age and said, 'Sir, let it alone this year, {i.e. age}, also, until I dig around it and fertilize it. And if it bears fruit, well. But if not, after that you can cut it down.'

"11th centaury"??? You mean the 11th century B.C. I presume? Isaac was born in the Biblical year 1896, meaning 1,896 years prior to Christ (using Bullinger's Bible chronology). So your 11th century idea doesn't make sense at all.
 

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Jesus didn't only speak of one fig tree. What about the other ones?


Luk 21:29 And he spake to them a parable; Behold the fig tree, and all the trees;
Luk 21:30 When they now shoot forth, ye see and know of your own selves that summer is now nigh at hand.
Luk 21:31 So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand.


Clearly this has nothing to do with 1948 or 1967 or Israel. He is speaking of all trees, when they shoot forth then summer is near which is the kingdom of God ie: the second coming. What he is saying is there are signs that people will see that will tell them when Great Tribulation and the second coming are near. It has nothing at all to do with Israel, not in 1948, 1967 or any year. It's not about only the fig tree. It's about how all trees behave when spring begins. They begin to come back to life and start growing and sprouting! It's a wonderful time of year! We are currently in the winter prophetically. We are looking for the signs of sprouting which is progression but progression of end times events. We need to be looking for the Revelation 13 events of two beasts and those global changes. Many of the "sprouting signs" are also found in the Olivet Discourse.
You don't accept there have been literally dozens of new nations added to the UN since 1948?

We need to look for the Second Coming, not a bunch of garbage in the world. The Second Coming will end life as we know it. The change will not be gradual. It will be like a thief in the night, with not much left in the morning.
 

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Im not sure about that. I think it’s prudent to be careful not to assume every mention of a fig tree to be national Israel. Otherwise, do we use that same logic with Mark 11:13-14 where Christ tells his disciples let no fruit grow on this fig tree forever? If so, and if Israel is the fig tree..they will never ever bear fruit. This is why I prefer the context and we ought to be carefully diligent in study not to apply 1 meaning to all meanings.

With so much in this thread on national Israel, do people forget we are grafted INTO Israel? How do you separate Israel into 2 when grafted into the 1? It is because fleshly Israel are not children of the promise, Israel is of those by faith whether Jew or Gentile. And national fleshly Israel today are not of faith but are antichrist and enemies of the gospel. You will say but they are beloved for the Father’s sake…yes, Paul tells us that. They were some of the original branch of Israel that were cut off and because they were cut out of Israel we are grafted in and are now part of Israel. But not all were cut out leaving some of the original branch in Israel so that we have not 1 bloodline to make Israel, but by faith, regardless of the bloodline is the true Israel. Notice I said we are grafted into an already existing Israel of God, we don’t supersede it.
You do have a point about not bearing fruit. At least not as a Nation. But to become a Nation again is the point of blooming, not bearing fruit.

At the Second Coming, the church is not going to bear fruit any more either. The church will be removed. At the Second Coming the only ones bearing fruit are Christ the Prince, the angels, and the 144k. And that fruit is sent to their eternal destination, not left on earth either. The sheep are sent to eternal life. The wheat is gathered into the barn, not left in the field to produce more wheat. There are no more harvests after the final harvest. There is no more spiritual birth into the church period, after the Second Coming. It is all literal and physical, because the physical and spiritual will be reunited at the Second Coming. The dead will know they are the dead. The tares will know they are the tares. The goats will know they are the goats. Those with the mark will know they have been marked. No more hiding out in human ambiguity.
 

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Isaac was born in the Biblical year 1896, meaning 1,896 years prior to Christ (using Bullinger's Bible chronology). So your 11th century idea doesn't make sense at all.
4,000 years later would be 2104AD. Abraham was called out of UR about 2000 years before Jesus was born. Isaac was born probably 50 years later. Not sure how close or off Bullinger is. I doubt the date of Isaac being born is that significant over the birth of Christ.