'the bridegroom cometh, go ye out to meet him'

lioncubseal · Jun 18, 2011

avoice said:
No thats called offeneded you are insulting me and my savior

As to why on Christain site we are subjected to have to listen to this antichrist talk of another christ.
Is beyond me.

All who love the Lord should be hitting the report button or PMing the staff to delete this and stop you

while we can all see through the lies Thats not really the point..
I wonder how many think it OK to invite this kind of stuff into your place of fellowship ?

Sometimes God expects us to just take a stand not invite false prophets preaching antichrists in for coffee.

You feel that way because you like most Christians have made Christianity into a false immortality project and made Jesus a crutch. People latch on to prophecy because they think correct interpretation of it will give them immortality, so goes all the endless circling over prophecy. Now people instead of looking for and to Jesus himself, who will give them the final lift they need to get "the end result of their faith", they look for the arrow that points to Jesus. It's like someone says he wants to see stars but is too scared to go outside in the night so he stays inside to read an astronomy book. You can read that book all you want and know all the physical facts about stars but your not gonna see stars.

you think salvation is a dependent and conditional thing. But how can it be? because what happens now when the thing your dependent on is gone, do you now lose your immortality? But how can you lose Real Immortality? It's impossible to lose it. Therefore Real Immortality must be an independent thing.

Real Immortality, the realization of which, is not dependent on anything or anyone. Indeed, it is not dependent on JESUS HIMSELF! Actually, it is dependent on Jesus in the PROCESS of attaining it, but that's a completely different story. The WAY is Jesus (INES's Ultimate Way? hmmm...) but the treasure itself that lies at the end of it is salvation, oneness with God. It's like you really want to see the view on top of a huge mountain, but after 5 minutes of trying you realized that you will never make it, and then Jesus comes and gives you a GUARANTEE that if you take this straight and narrow way not many people know about you will definitely make it. Once your on top you see that the view is everything and more of what you have imagined, but you look around and Jesus is not there anymore, he has gone to give the next person the good news.

IF your saved your saved, if you really have immortality then you REALLY have immortality, if anyone or anything can make you lose your real immortality that means you never had the immortality in the first place. That's why there's really no reason why people have to be so scared about the antichrist.
The vital question is are you a Real Christian to start with?

so anyway if you can't get an F in God's course the only concern you have should be to simply get an A.

Rach1370 · Jun 19, 2011

[23] Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or ‘There he is!’ do not believe it. [24] For false christs and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect. [25] See, I have told you beforehand. [26] So, if they say to you, ‘Look, he is in the wilderness,’ do not go out. If they say, ‘Look, he is in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it. [27] For as the lightning comes from the east and shines as far as the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. [28] Wherever the corpse is, there the vultures will gather.
(Matthew 24:23-28 ESV)

When Jesus returns, all will know it. There will be no need to "spread the news" on the internet.
What you are saying here, is pure blasphemy, and you are quite aware of it. The question is, knowing we believe this, why do you persist? You say it is your duty to mention it, well you have. But 'doing your duty' as you see it, does not explain why you continue to try and sway us. We will not be swayed, so please, to stave off arguments that will go no where, please take your false christ somewhere else.

lioncubseal · Jun 19, 2011

Rach said:
[23] Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or ‘There he is!’ do not believe it. [24] For false christs and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect. [25] See, I have told you beforehand. [26] So, if they say to you, ‘Look, he is in the wilderness,’ do not go out. If they say, ‘Look, he is in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it. [27] For as the lightning comes from the east and shines as far as the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. [28] Wherever the corpse is, there the vultures will gather.
(Matthew 24:23-28 ESV)

When Jesus returns, all will know it. There will be no need to "spread the news" on the internet.
What you are saying here, is pure blasphemy, and you are quite aware of it. The question is, knowing we believe this, why do you persist? You say it is your duty to mention it, well you have. But 'doing your duty' as you see it, does not explain why you continue to try and sway us. We will not be swayed, so please, to stave off arguments that will go no where, please take your false christ somewhere else.

This is not true. Jesus will come and show himself to EVERYONE with great power and glory "WITH HIS HOLY ONES" (please see Zach. 14 and 1 Thessalonians 3:13). So Jesus must have to come BEFORE that for his "holy ones" whoever they are, right? Don't these saints need to receive fall salvation first according to 1 peter 1:5? Don't they need to have their sins fully removed, be empowered, and be gathered together some way?

Also great passage you quoted, but PLEASE don't forget about the FIRST WORD of that quote!!! If you read the context you'll see that Jesus was talking about once the Antichrist sits in Jerusalem and claimed himself to be God, then AT THAT TIME if anyone tells you etc etc! Because AT THAT TIME the mark of the beast would be instituted and antichrist will claim to be God. HAS THAT TIME COME YET??

Here is where we are right now!

Matthew 25,
[sup]1[/sup] “At that time the kingdom of heaven will be like ten virgins who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom. [sup]2[/sup] Five of them were foolish and five were wise. [sup]3[/sup] The foolish ones took their lamps but did not take any oil with them. [sup]4[/sup] The wise ones, however, took oil in jars along with their lamps. [sup]5[/sup] The bridegroom was a long time in coming, and they all became drowsy and fell asleep. [sup]6[/sup] “At midnight the cry rang out: ‘Here’s the bridegroom! Come out to meet him!’

[sup]7[/sup] “Then all the virgins woke up and trimmed their lamps. [sup]8[/sup] The foolish ones said to the wise, ‘Give us some of your oil; our lamps are going out.’

[sup]9[/sup] “‘No,’ they replied, ‘there may not be enough for both us and you. Instead, go to those who sell oil and buy some for yourselves.’

[sup]10[/sup] “But while they were on their way to buy the oil, the bridegroom arrived. The virgins who were ready went in with him to the wedding banquet. And the door was shut.

[sup]11[/sup] “Later the others also came. ‘Lord, Lord,’ they said, ‘open the door for us!’

[sup]12[/sup] “But he replied, ‘Truly I tell you, I don’t know you.’

[sup]13[/sup] “Therefore keep watch, because you do not know the day or the hour.

Rach1370 · Jun 19, 2011

lioncubseal said:
This is not true. Jesus will come and show himself to EVERYONE with great power and glory "WITH HIS HOLY ONES" (please see Zach. 14 and 1 Thessalonians 3:13). So Jesus must have to come BEFORE that for his "holy ones" whoever they are, right? Don't these saints need to receive fall salvation first according to 1 peter 1:5? Don't they need to have their sins fully removed, be empowered, and be gathered together some way?

Also great passage you quoted, but PLEASE don't forget about the FIRST WORD of that quote!!! If you read the context you'll see that Jesus was talking about once the Antichrist sits in Jerusalem and claimed himself to be God, then AT THAT TIME if anyone tells you etc etc! Because AT THAT TIME the mark of the beast would be instituted and antichrist will claim to be God. HAS THAT TIME COME YET??

Here is where we are right now!

Matthew 25,
[sup]1[/sup] “At that time the kingdom of heaven will be like ten virgins who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom. [sup]2[/sup] Five of them were foolish and five were wise. [sup]3[/sup] The foolish ones took their lamps but did not take any oil with them. [sup]4[/sup] The wise ones, however, took oil in jars along with their lamps. [sup]5[/sup] The bridegroom was a long time in coming, and they all became drowsy and fell asleep. [sup]6[/sup] “At midnight the cry rang out: ‘Here’s the bridegroom! Come out to meet him!’

[sup]7[/sup] “Then all the virgins woke up and trimmed their lamps. [sup]8[/sup] The foolish ones said to the wise, ‘Give us some of your oil; our lamps are going out.’

[sup]9[/sup] “‘No,’ they replied, ‘there may not be enough for both us and you. Instead, go to those who sell oil and buy some for yourselves.’

[sup]10[/sup] “But while they were on their way to buy the oil, the bridegroom arrived. The virgins who were ready went in with him to the wedding banquet. And the door was shut.

[sup]11[/sup] “Later the others also came. ‘Lord, Lord,’ they said, ‘open the door for us!’

[sup]12[/sup] “But he replied, ‘Truly I tell you, I don’t know you.’

[sup]13[/sup] “Therefore keep watch, because you do not know the day or the hour.

I keep watch for my Jesus, sure. But that man is nothing more than satan's tool in the world. He is nothing like Jesus.
The day I accepted Jesus into my heart I received the gift of the Holy Spirit. The Spirit being part of the Trinity, don't you think it would speak to believers if the Christ had returned for them? Well, I believe He has, and your INES gives me the creeps. As John says:

26 I write these things to you about those who are trying to deceive you. 27 But the anointing that you received from him abides in you, and you have no need that anyone should teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about everything, and is true, and is no lie—just as it has taught you, abide in him. (1 John 2:26-27 ESV)

John also tell us to "test the Spirits", to see if what these false people are saying are in line with scripture. And by that I don't mean, these people manipulate scripture to support their claims. What this INES claims is all just hearsay and wild speculation. You say he must be a god because he is teaching others to be god?? Wow, you must be right, that proves without doubt the man is a deity. This man claims everything he says is the truth...mate, any wack job can do the same, and in fact they do. We have a dude in Australia who claims he is the reincarnation of Jesus. He says when he remembered his past life he divorced his wife and left his kids....cause that's what Jesus was all about last time. PEOPLE LIE. It's what they do and the higher the stakes, the bigger the lie. Claiming to be god is about as big a lie as it gets. As far as his claiming to bring heaven to earth and removing death, I'm sorry, do you really believe this?? Even if satan has bestowed this man power to work miracles to deceive others, there is no way, even in his little fantasy world, that he can do either of these things. When it all comes down to it, there is zero proof for this man being Jesus. It is nothing more than his unsubstantiated claims, and those of people clearly under his influence. Jesus never made a claim He did not back up. Big difference.

As far as my "misunderstanding" the Matt 24 text in regards of timing, well, it's ridiculous. Even if that passage was specifically talking of the time when Antichrist sat in the temple, don't you think it's still sound advice? Or do you think Jesus is okay with us being deceived all the other times? That if the antichrist is not in the picture, any tom, dick or harry claiming to be Jesus is acceptable to follow?
Besides, the Olivet discourse is full of warnings of false christs, not just that passage. Lets see:

[Signs of the Close of the Age]
[3] As he sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things be, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the close of the age?” [4] And Jesus answered them, “See that no one leads you astray. [5] For many will come in my name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and they will lead many astray.
(Matthew 24:3-5 ESV)

[11] And many false prophets will arise and lead many astray.
(Matthew 24:11 ESV)

The intent of all these verses, and the rest as well, is quite clear. The patient, but faithful servant will be saved. Not the ones who are foolishly taken in by false christs, not the ones who in their eagerness to have Christ back will follow anyone who claims to be god. No, the Christians who know Jesus will return at an unexpected moment to take them home, those who work and love diligently to further the gospel and the Kingdom, they are the ones to whom Jesus will say, "well done, good and faithful servant.'
Brother, you are being led horribly astray. You have been deceived in the worst way and even now your true Saviour is calling out to you. Don't follow a wolf into darkness. Pray. Really pray about this, and the Holy Spirit will show you the truth. It's not too late for you.

lioncubseal · Jun 19, 2011

Rach said:
I keep watch for my Jesus, sure. But that man is nothing more than satan's tool in the world. He is nothing like Jesus.
The day I accepted Jesus into my heart I received the gift of the Holy Spirit. The Spirit being part of the Trinity, don't you think it would speak to believers if the Christ had returned for them? Well, I believe He has, and your INES gives me the creeps. As John says:

26 I write these things to you about those who are trying to deceive you. 27 But the anointing that you received from him abides in you, and you have no need that anyone should teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about everything, and is true, and is no lie—just as it has taught you, abide in him. (1 John 2:26-27 ESV)

John also tell us to "test the Spirits", to see if what these false people are saying are in line with scripture. And by that I don't mean, these people manipulate scripture to support their claims. What this INES claims is all just hearsay and wild speculation. You say he must be a god because he is teaching others to be god?? Wow, you must be right, that proves without doubt the man is a deity. This man claims everything he says is the truth...mate, any wack job can do the same, and in fact they do. We have a dude in Australia who claims he is the reincarnation of Jesus. He says when he remembered his past life he divorced his wife and left his kids....cause that's what Jesus was all about last time. PEOPLE LIE. It's what they do and the higher the stakes, the bigger the lie. Claiming to be god is about as big a lie as it gets. As far as his claiming to bring heaven to earth and removing death, I'm sorry, do you really believe this?? Even if satan has bestowed this man power to work miracles to deceive others, there is no way, even in his little fantasy world, that he can do either of these things. When it all comes down to it, there is zero proof for this man being Jesus. It is nothing more than his unsubstantiated claims, and those of people clearly under his influence. Jesus never made a claim He did not back up. Big difference.

As far as my "misunderstanding" the Matt 24 text in regards of timing, well, it's ridiculous. Even if that passage was specifically talking of the time when Antichrist sat in the temple, don't you think it's still sound advice? Or do you think Jesus is okay with us being deceived all the other times? That if the antichrist is not in the picture, any tom, dick or harry claiming to be Jesus is acceptable to follow?
Besides, the Olivet discourse is full of warnings of false christs, not just that passage. Lets see:

[Signs of the Close of the Age]
[3] As he sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things be, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the close of the age?” [4] And Jesus answered them, “See that no one leads you astray. [5] For many will come in my name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and they will lead many astray.
(Matthew 24:3-5 ESV)

[11] And many false prophets will arise and lead many astray.
(Matthew 24:11 ESV)

The intent of all these verses, and the rest as well, is quite clear. The patient, but faithful servant will be saved. Not the ones who are foolishly taken in by false christs, not the ones who in their eagerness to have Christ back will follow anyone who claims to be god. No, the Christians who know Jesus will return at an unexpected moment to take them home, those who work and love diligently to further the gospel and the Kingdom, they are the ones to whom Jesus will say, "well done, good and faithful servant.'
Brother, you are being led horribly astray. You have been deceived in the worst way and even now your true Saviour is calling out to you. Don't follow a wolf into darkness. Pray. Really pray about this, and the Holy Spirit will show you the truth. It's not too late for you.

First you say the guy creeps you out, but do you even know anything about the guy? how can you "test all spirits" when before you even begin the test you were creeped out?

The importance about the timing of the matthew 24 verse is that clearly there will be people telling other people that the real christ has come, one according to the parable of the 10 virgins 2 don't you think that any of the apostles told others about Jesus's return after he resurrected from the grave? It does not apply to ALL TIME.

Fear is clouding your eyes Rach. Are you sure you are saved? It doesn't seem like you really have eternal life being so worried and scared.

Jesus said in Matthew 22 that all will be invited to the wedding feast, but so few will accept the invitation that there will be room enough for beggars and sick nonchristians to come in.

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