I thank you all for your replies and must agree with the one where the "tongues" were a known language by some of the hearers and not babble.What do you think of this attachment?
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I personally believe in the five fold ministry gifts that Jesus established in the church in Ephesians, and Galatians.The Apostle,Prophet,Evangelist,Pastor,and Teacher!I also believe that the 5fold ministry gifts should all be part of the local body to beable to have a healthy functioning church.That's why so many churches don't function properly because the Pastor thinks that he is suppose to do it all, and instead he is just walking in fear!There fore he stays stressed out and frustrated and doesn't know who to trust and the whole body suffers from it.This is the main reason why people leave churches, because they are not being trained by all of the 5fold ministry gifts.Bro.Jody
It seems that all pentecostal type churches are emphacizing the speaking in tongues. They have so many inconsistant theology and practices going on using God's name. We have responsibility to be a good witnesses for our Lord. Jesus tells us to be salt and light of the world and petecostals are forgetting this very important commands of Jesus, IMHO.my two cents.
I personally believe in the five fold ministry gifts that Jesus established in the church in Ephesians, and Galatians.The Apostle,Prophet,Evangelist,Pastor,and Teacher!I also believe that the 5fold ministry gifts should all be part of the local body to beable to have a healthy functioning church.That's why so many churches don't function properly because the Pastor thinks that he is suppose to do it all, and instead he is just walking in fear!There fore he stays stressed out and frustrated and doesn't know who to trust and the whole body suffers from it.This is the main reason why people leave churches, because they are not being trained by all of the 5fold ministry gifts.Bro.Jody
It seems that all pentecostal type churches are emphacizing the speaking in tongues. They have so many inconsistant theology and practices going on using God's name. We have responsibility to be a good witnesses for our Lord. Jesus tells us to be salt and light of the world and petecostals are forgetting this very important commands of Jesus, IMHO.my two cents.
jodycour
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Those who don't believe in speaking in unknown tongues are inconsistent, and are denying the truth found in God's Word!
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(Brett;11563)
I thank you all for your replies and must agree with the one where the "tongues" were a known language by some of the hearers and not babble.What do you think of this attachment?
I had read this attachment. Where did you find something like that? I am curious for I know that scripture also says, that in Acts 2:17 "In the last days, God says, I will pour out my Spirit on ALL people, Your sons and daughters WILL prophesy, your young men WILL see visions, your old men WILL dream dreams. Even on my servants, both men and women I will pur out my Spirit in those days, and they WILL prophesy. I will show wonders in the heaven above and signs on the earth below". I am a full believer, that in a service when 2 or more are gathered, Gods Spirit will pour like rain. I am not saying some of the TV preachers are correct, but since I have experienced such amazing church events...I am just not on the same page as this attachment.
I thank you all for your replies and must agree with the one where the "tongues" were a known language by some of the hearers and not babble.What do you think of this attachment?
I had read this attachment. Where did you find something like that? I am curious for I know that scripture also says, that in Acts 2:17 "In the last days, God says, I will pour out my Spirit on ALL people, Your sons and daughters WILL prophesy, your young men WILL see visions, your old men WILL dream dreams. Even on my servants, both men and women I will pur out my Spirit in those days, and they WILL prophesy. I will show wonders in the heaven above and signs on the earth below". I am a full believer, that in a service when 2 or more are gathered, Gods Spirit will pour like rain. I am not saying some of the TV preachers are correct, but since I have experienced such amazing church events...I am just not on the same page as this attachment.
jodycour
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Amen,I do challenge people who have had a bad experience in a pentecostal style church to visit a Word Church ( Churches that believe in line with RHEMA teachings that were found by Keneth Hagin Ministries )These Churches have a very balanced view when it comes to the Word of God, and they study deeply the Hebrew&Greek meanings of the Holy Bible.
(jodycour;12273)
Amen,I do challenge people who have had a bad experience in a pentecostal style church to visit a Word Church ( Churches that believe in line with RHEMA teachings that were found by Keneth Hagin Ministries )These Churches have a very balanced view when it comes to the Word of God, and they study deeply the Hebrew&Greek meanings of the Holy Bible.
JodyCour. What denomination are you?
Amen,I do challenge people who have had a bad experience in a pentecostal style church to visit a Word Church ( Churches that believe in line with RHEMA teachings that were found by Keneth Hagin Ministries )These Churches have a very balanced view when it comes to the Word of God, and they study deeply the Hebrew&Greek meanings of the Holy Bible.
JodyCour. What denomination are you?
jodycour
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I belong to a Word Church, I graduated from a RHEMA based bible college.It's really non-denominational but we follow very closely to what the Word Churches teach.
(jodycour;12276)
I belong to a Word Church, I graduated from a RHEMA based bible college.It's really non-denominational but we follow very closely to what the Word Churches teach.
I see - and do you guys believe in 'Three in One' and Spiritual gifts at church? Do you guys believe in Holy Ghost? Do you guys accept 'speaking in tongues'?
I belong to a Word Church, I graduated from a RHEMA based bible college.It's really non-denominational but we follow very closely to what the Word Churches teach.
I see - and do you guys believe in 'Three in One' and Spiritual gifts at church? Do you guys believe in Holy Ghost? Do you guys accept 'speaking in tongues'?
Just be careful...they are so many churches today claiming that they are teaching truth. I for one, do not believe in speaking in some unknown language that they are from "heaven" but it is NOT.I John 5:7 - For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.Lovest thou in Christ Jesus our Lord and Saviour.
(thesuperjag;12278)
Just be careful...they are so many churches today claiming that they are teaching truth. I for one, do not believe in speaking in some unknown language that they are from "heaven" but it is NOT.Lovest thou in Christ Jesus our Lord and Saviour.
How will you explain the 'Holy Ghost' in upper room? And many more scriptures showing 'tongues' speaking?
Just be careful...they are so many churches today claiming that they are teaching truth. I for one, do not believe in speaking in some unknown language that they are from "heaven" but it is NOT.Lovest thou in Christ Jesus our Lord and Saviour.
How will you explain the 'Holy Ghost' in upper room? And many more scriptures showing 'tongues' speaking?
jodycour
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jodycour
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Scripture says: Tongues is a verliy low gift unless it can be interpted so that it is of benifit for the entire church just as in Acts. Talking an un-understabale language benifits no one but self. Just the way our so called prophets today have a weak imitation of prophecy as compared to the Bible prophets an the true gift of tounges not some un-understanable mumble will NOT happen again till we are called up testify before Antichrist.
(kriss;12286)
Scripture says: Tongues is a verliy low gift unless it can be interpted so that it is of benifit for the entire church just as in Acts. Talking an un-understabale language benifits no one but self.
Kriss, Yes, our prophets these days aren't as effective as they used to be in Biblical times, but those gifts are still active here in our times. And only few people have ability to use them right. As God instucted. But they still are being used.And speaking in tongues is a complicated and often-argued subject. But my personal understanding of it is - Holy Spirit that is in you - knows you better then you know yourself. And God said in the Bible - Holy Spirit in you will pray to me in unknown tongues, because He knows your soul better then you know yourself.
Scripture says: Tongues is a verliy low gift unless it can be interpted so that it is of benifit for the entire church just as in Acts. Talking an un-understabale language benifits no one but self.
Kriss, Yes, our prophets these days aren't as effective as they used to be in Biblical times, but those gifts are still active here in our times. And only few people have ability to use them right. As God instucted. But they still are being used.And speaking in tongues is a complicated and often-argued subject. But my personal understanding of it is - Holy Spirit that is in you - knows you better then you know yourself. And God said in the Bible - Holy Spirit in you will pray to me in unknown tongues, because He knows your soul better then you know yourself.
(Tama)
(thesuperjag)
Just be careful...they are so many churches today claiming that they are teaching truth. I for one, do not believe in speaking in some unknown language that they are from "heaven" but it is NOT.Lovest thou in Christ Jesus our Lord and Saviour.
How will you explain the 'Holy Ghost' in upper room? And many more scriptures showing 'tongues' speaking?Acts 2:4 - And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.The Greek word for tongue in Acts 2:4 is glossa.It means 1) the tongue, a member of the body, an organ of speech2a) the language or dialect used by a particular people distinct from that of other nationsActs 2:6 - Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.Acts 2:8 - And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?The Greek word for tongue here on Acts 2:8 is dialektos1) conversation, speech, discourse, language2) the tongue or language peculiar to any peopleThe word glossa for tongue is throughout I Corinthians 14...ButThe word unknown was for clarifying...however it is still not referring to a "mystery of an heavenly language"I Corinthians 14:13 - Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret.Lets just say that for example I speak Hebrew and you speak Spanish, is it unknown to us if we never heard of that language?I Corinthians 14:27 - If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret.Lovest thou in Christ Jesus (Yahshua) our Lord and Saviour.
(thesuperjag)
Just be careful...they are so many churches today claiming that they are teaching truth. I for one, do not believe in speaking in some unknown language that they are from "heaven" but it is NOT.Lovest thou in Christ Jesus our Lord and Saviour.
How will you explain the 'Holy Ghost' in upper room? And many more scriptures showing 'tongues' speaking?Acts 2:4 - And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.The Greek word for tongue in Acts 2:4 is glossa.It means 1) the tongue, a member of the body, an organ of speech2a) the language or dialect used by a particular people distinct from that of other nationsActs 2:6 - Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.Acts 2:8 - And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?The Greek word for tongue here on Acts 2:8 is dialektos1) conversation, speech, discourse, language2) the tongue or language peculiar to any peopleThe word glossa for tongue is throughout I Corinthians 14...ButThe word unknown was for clarifying...however it is still not referring to a "mystery of an heavenly language"I Corinthians 14:13 - Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret.Lets just say that for example I speak Hebrew and you speak Spanish, is it unknown to us if we never heard of that language?I Corinthians 14:27 - If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret.Lovest thou in Christ Jesus (Yahshua) our Lord and Saviour.
(thesuperjag;12291)
The Greek word for tongue in Acts 2:4 is glossa.It means 1) the tongue, a member of the body, an organ of speech2a) the language or dialect used by a particular people distinct from that of other nationsThe Greek word for tongue here on Acts 2:8 is dialektos1) conversation, speech, discourse, language2) the tongue or language peculiar to any peopleLets just say that for example I speak Hebrew and you speak Spanish, is it unknown to us if we never heard of that language?
I don't like to debate on this subject because it is very personal to every believer. This topic isn't a doctrinal, but is a personal choice. I believe there are both - speaking in tongues that other nations use - and unknown 'angel's' tongues. See verses...Mark 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues1 Corinthians 13:1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal
The Greek word for tongue in Acts 2:4 is glossa.It means 1) the tongue, a member of the body, an organ of speech2a) the language or dialect used by a particular people distinct from that of other nationsThe Greek word for tongue here on Acts 2:8 is dialektos1) conversation, speech, discourse, language2) the tongue or language peculiar to any peopleLets just say that for example I speak Hebrew and you speak Spanish, is it unknown to us if we never heard of that language?
I don't like to debate on this subject because it is very personal to every believer. This topic isn't a doctrinal, but is a personal choice. I believe there are both - speaking in tongues that other nations use - and unknown 'angel's' tongues. See verses...Mark 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues1 Corinthians 13:1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal
(Tama)
(thesuperjag)
The Greek word for tongue in Acts 2:4 is glossa.It means 1) the tongue, a member of the body, an organ of speech2a) the language or dialect used by a particular people distinct from that of other nationsThe Greek word for tongue here on Acts 2:8 is dialektos1) conversation, speech, discourse, language2) the tongue or language peculiar to any peopleLets just say that for example I speak Hebrew and you speak Spanish, is it unknown to us if we never heard of that language?
I don't like to debate on this subject because it is very personal to every believer. This topic isn't a doctrinal, but is a personal choice. I believe there are both - speaking in tongues that other nations use - and unknown 'angel's' tongues. See verses...Mark 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues1 Corinthians 13:1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbalWell, if you think about this Tama, the WHOLE Word of God is very personal. There are people who likes to nit pick things and just believe in some things that are of God a some things of men...just like JesusReigns doctrine...There is no such thing as middle ground...even if people feel that way.They are others will/may at some point will fall away from the Word of God...because they are offend by the Word.For some reason It is rather easier for Lucifer's army to deceive people, and it is rather harder for the sons of God to undeceived people.It is easy to help people physically, but it is harder to help people spiritual to grow in the Faith.Just remember that broad is the way to destruction and narrow is the way to eternal life. (Matthew 7:13-14)And God will be our Judge.Lovest thou in Christ Jesus (Yahshua) our Lord and Saviour.
(thesuperjag)
The Greek word for tongue in Acts 2:4 is glossa.It means 1) the tongue, a member of the body, an organ of speech2a) the language or dialect used by a particular people distinct from that of other nationsThe Greek word for tongue here on Acts 2:8 is dialektos1) conversation, speech, discourse, language2) the tongue or language peculiar to any peopleLets just say that for example I speak Hebrew and you speak Spanish, is it unknown to us if we never heard of that language?
I don't like to debate on this subject because it is very personal to every believer. This topic isn't a doctrinal, but is a personal choice. I believe there are both - speaking in tongues that other nations use - and unknown 'angel's' tongues. See verses...Mark 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues1 Corinthians 13:1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbalWell, if you think about this Tama, the WHOLE Word of God is very personal. There are people who likes to nit pick things and just believe in some things that are of God a some things of men...just like JesusReigns doctrine...There is no such thing as middle ground...even if people feel that way.They are others will/may at some point will fall away from the Word of God...because they are offend by the Word.For some reason It is rather easier for Lucifer's army to deceive people, and it is rather harder for the sons of God to undeceived people.It is easy to help people physically, but it is harder to help people spiritual to grow in the Faith.Just remember that broad is the way to destruction and narrow is the way to eternal life. (Matthew 7:13-14)And God will be our Judge.Lovest thou in Christ Jesus (Yahshua) our Lord and Saviour.
(thesuperjag;12293)
Well, if you think about this Tama, the WHOLE Word of God is very personal. There are people who likes to nit pick things and just believe in some things that are of God a some things of men...just like JesusReigns doctrine...There is no such thing as middle ground...even if people feel that way.They are others will/may at some point will fall away from the Word of God...because they are offend by the Word.For some reason It is rather easier for Lucifer's army to deceive people, and it is rather harder for the sons of God to undeceived people.It is easy to help people physically, but it is harder to help people spiritual to grow in the Faith.Just remember that broad is the way to destruction and narrow is the way to eternal life. (Matthew 7:13-14)And God will be our Judge.Lovest thou in Christ Jesus (Yahshua) our Lord and Saviour.
Honestly - I didn't get this one. What are you trying to say?I know everything that has to do with God and belief is personal, but all that is a matter what you chose to believe, or what your mind accepts. With Holy Ghost subject - it is a little different. Some people are baptised with SHoly ghost and some are totally don't accept it. Some speak in tongues, and some think it can't be or it was during the first century only. Why i said it's more personal then rest of the topics/subject we debate on - because some people actually have the 'speaking in tongues' gift. How can you tell a person with that 'gift' any different from what he has personally experienced? It's the same thing as debate over 'healing' with a person who was healed. If you never experienced it - you can't make people believe.
Well, if you think about this Tama, the WHOLE Word of God is very personal. There are people who likes to nit pick things and just believe in some things that are of God a some things of men...just like JesusReigns doctrine...There is no such thing as middle ground...even if people feel that way.They are others will/may at some point will fall away from the Word of God...because they are offend by the Word.For some reason It is rather easier for Lucifer's army to deceive people, and it is rather harder for the sons of God to undeceived people.It is easy to help people physically, but it is harder to help people spiritual to grow in the Faith.Just remember that broad is the way to destruction and narrow is the way to eternal life. (Matthew 7:13-14)And God will be our Judge.Lovest thou in Christ Jesus (Yahshua) our Lord and Saviour.
Honestly - I didn't get this one. What are you trying to say?I know everything that has to do with God and belief is personal, but all that is a matter what you chose to believe, or what your mind accepts. With Holy Ghost subject - it is a little different. Some people are baptised with SHoly ghost and some are totally don't accept it. Some speak in tongues, and some think it can't be or it was during the first century only. Why i said it's more personal then rest of the topics/subject we debate on - because some people actually have the 'speaking in tongues' gift. How can you tell a person with that 'gift' any different from what he has personally experienced? It's the same thing as debate over 'healing' with a person who was healed. If you never experienced it - you can't make people believe.
(Tama)
Honestly - I didn't get this one. What are you trying to say?I know everything that has to do with God and belief is personal, but all that is a matter what you chose to believe, or what your mind accepts. With Holy Ghost subject - it is a little different. Some people are baptised with SHoly ghost and some are totally don't accept it. Some speak in tongues, and some think it can't be or it was during the first century only. Why i said it's more personal then rest of the topics/subject we debate on - because some people actually have the 'speaking in tongues' gift. How can you tell a person with that 'gift' any different from what he has personally experienced? It's the same thing as debate over 'healing' with a person who was healed. If you never experienced it - you can't make people believe.
As for the literally unknown, that came from "heaven" as you said, it really is a false doctrine, because every single person can make their own made-up languages that doesn't really exist in this world. Also note, that I did watch a video on Youtube, that this one girl, who claims that speaking in tongue is a special gift, in the same video, she claims/believe that God is nonexistance, but we were created by the sun... I think thats shows enough to see proof. I'll give you a link to the video...at the bottom of this post.(Kriss)
Scripture says: Tongues is a verliy low gift unless it can be interpted so that it is of benifit for the entire church just as in Acts. Talking an un-understandable language benifits no one but self. Just the way our so called prophets today have a weak imitation of prophecy as compared to the Bible prophets an the true gift of tounges not some un-understanable mumble will NOT happen again till we are called up testify before Antichrist.
Amen Kriss. The unknown (that was tried to clarified in the KJB) language is still a nation language, that some people can't understand. Like...in the below quote...(Jordan)
Lets just say that for example I speak Hebrew and you speak Spanish, is it unknown to us if we never heard of that language?
And yes you are right...the un-understandable (made-up) language only self, not others. It is really a mumbo jumbo, gibberish. Here is a link to the video if you want to see it, although I find it ridiculous to claim that an un-understandable language that is made-up that is from God...*sigh*http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Klda0-6FSULovest ye in Christ Jesus (Yahshua) our Lord and Saviour.
Honestly - I didn't get this one. What are you trying to say?I know everything that has to do with God and belief is personal, but all that is a matter what you chose to believe, or what your mind accepts. With Holy Ghost subject - it is a little different. Some people are baptised with SHoly ghost and some are totally don't accept it. Some speak in tongues, and some think it can't be or it was during the first century only. Why i said it's more personal then rest of the topics/subject we debate on - because some people actually have the 'speaking in tongues' gift. How can you tell a person with that 'gift' any different from what he has personally experienced? It's the same thing as debate over 'healing' with a person who was healed. If you never experienced it - you can't make people believe.
As for the literally unknown, that came from "heaven" as you said, it really is a false doctrine, because every single person can make their own made-up languages that doesn't really exist in this world. Also note, that I did watch a video on Youtube, that this one girl, who claims that speaking in tongue is a special gift, in the same video, she claims/believe that God is nonexistance, but we were created by the sun... I think thats shows enough to see proof. I'll give you a link to the video...at the bottom of this post.(Kriss)
Scripture says: Tongues is a verliy low gift unless it can be interpted so that it is of benifit for the entire church just as in Acts. Talking an un-understandable language benifits no one but self. Just the way our so called prophets today have a weak imitation of prophecy as compared to the Bible prophets an the true gift of tounges not some un-understanable mumble will NOT happen again till we are called up testify before Antichrist.
Amen Kriss. The unknown (that was tried to clarified in the KJB) language is still a nation language, that some people can't understand. Like...in the below quote...(Jordan)
Lets just say that for example I speak Hebrew and you speak Spanish, is it unknown to us if we never heard of that language?
And yes you are right...the un-understandable (made-up) language only self, not others. It is really a mumbo jumbo, gibberish. Here is a link to the video if you want to see it, although I find it ridiculous to claim that an un-understandable language that is made-up that is from God...*sigh*http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Klda0-6FSULovest ye in Christ Jesus (Yahshua) our Lord and Saviour.
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