The 10 Commandments are FOREVER

1stCenturyLady · Mar 5, 2022

GEN2REV said:
Why did Jesus observe it His entire life if it was completely inconsequential and not a part of what He wanted to model for us as His example of how to live?

Jesus LIVED under the Old Covenant.

10 If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.

These are the commandments of two different covenants. Jesus was under the Old Covenant which Jesus fulfilled and finished. We are under a better covenant with better promises. Instead of do this or die; we are under do this and live.

1stCenturyLady · Mar 5, 2022

Jim B said:
I really appreciate your posts! Keep on truckin'

Thank you.

Daniel L. · Mar 5, 2022

GEN2REV said:
Exactly.

Exactly.
You know the adultery commandment also a prohibits bestiality. So, the murder commandment also prohibits the murder of animals:

Isaiah 66:3 He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a lamb, as if he cut off a dog's neck; [..]

The animals are not food:

Genesis 1:29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.

And we both know God does not change.
-Peace be with you.

1stCenturyLady · Mar 5, 2022

Daniel L. said:
Exactly.
You know the adultery commandment also a prohibits bestiality. So, the murder commandment also prohibits the murder of animals:

Isaiah 66:3 He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a lamb, as if he cut off a dog's neck; [..]

The animals are not food:

Genesis 1:29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.

And we both know God does not change.
-Peace be with you.

Read Genesis 9, and Leviticus 11.

Daniel L. · Mar 5, 2022

1stCenturyLady said:
Read

Malachi 3:6 For I am the Lord, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

Acts 10:15 And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.

Pearl · Mar 5, 2022

GEN2REV said:
Exactly. And Jesus and the Father are one.
John 10:30
Jesus' Commandments are the Father's Commandments. He can only be about His Father's business and He can only say the Father's words.
Luke 2:49
John 12:49
John 10:38
John 14:10
And because Jesus and the Father are one, when Jesus and the Father come to live inside of us, they are the Holy Spirit. Look closely at these verses.
John 14:21-23
Guess what that means. It means that the Holy Spirit's Commandments are the 10 Commandments.
Exactly.

When He puts His New Spirit into us (Jeremiah 31:33; Hebrews 10:16), it writes its 10 Commandments, that it obeyed all of Jesus' life, upon our hearts and empowers us to obey them.

So if you already knew all that why did you ask the question. Were you testing us? And if you were why?

GEN2REV · Mar 5, 2022

1stCenturyLady said:
Jesus LIVED under the Old Covenant.

Well it looks like we're supposed to live under that as well then.
1 John 2:6

And if the covenant, and laws, changed upon His death, why did His disciples continue to obey the 10 Commandments?

That's one ALL of you continue to dodge repeatedly because you have no answer whatsoever.

Pearl · Mar 5, 2022

1stCenturyLady said:
That is because those who read the law are blinded and a veil lies over their eyes. 2 Cor. 3

I was blinded for 23 years. I'll never forget the night it finally lifted. It was like a light bulb went on over my head and I could see grace

Wonderful.

GEN2REV · Mar 5, 2022

Pearl said:
So if you already knew all that why did you ask the question. Were you testing us? And if you were why?

What I posted is not remotely similar to what you are claiming.

Pearl · Mar 5, 2022

GEN2REV said:
Well it looks like we're supposed to live under that as well then.
1 John 2:6

And if the covenant, and laws, changed upon His death, why did His disciples continue to obey the 10 Commandments?

That's one ALL of you continue to dodge repeatedly because you have no answer whatsoever.

Are you saved? Are you born again? Have you accepted Jesus as you Lord and Saviour? Are you religious or do you have a relationship with the One who sets you free?

Pearl · Mar 5, 2022

GEN2REV said:
What I posted is not remotely similar to what you are claiming.

What am I 'claiming'? I didn't think I was 'claiming' anything but answering your question.

1stCenturyLady · Mar 5, 2022

Daniel L. said:
Malachi 3:6 For I am the Lord, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

Acts 10:15 And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.

Yes, God is for holiness and against sin. Both covenants declare that. And both sets of commandments do too

GEN2REV · Mar 5, 2022

GEN2REV said:
... if the covenant, and laws, changed upon (Jesus') death, why did His disciples continue to obey the 10 Commandments?

That's one ALL of you continue to dodge repeatedly because you have no answer whatsoever.

Pearl said:
Are you saved? Are you born again? Have you accepted Jesus as you Lord and Saviour? Are you religious or do you have a relationship with the One who sets you free?

I rest my case.

Still no response to the posted question that has been asked countless times in this thread.

Only redirection, evasion and changing of the subject. But the subject doesn't change in this thread. The 10 Commandments are FOREVER and nobody has come close to successfully making a case, using scripture, to refute that. On the contrary, this thread has worked to very successfully, and repeatedly, prove the OP correct.

Jim B · Mar 6, 2022

Daniel L. said:
Exactly.
You know the adultery commandment also a prohibits bestiality. So, the murder commandment also prohibits the murder of animals:

Isaiah 66:3 He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a lamb, as if he cut off a dog's neck; [..]

The animals are not food:

Genesis 1:29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.

And we both know God does not change.
-Peace be with you.

Of course the animals are food. Jesus and His disciples clearly ate fish and He declared all foods to be clean. Mark 7:19, "For it does not enter his heart but his stomach, and then goes out into the sewer.” (This means all foods are clean.)" NET v2.1

God had the Israelites kill a lamb every Passover and then required sacrifices of animals (that became food for the priests).

You would be better off if you used a translation other than the KJV, since "meat" meant something different in the Englyshe of 400+ years ago.

Here is a more accurate translation from the NET v2.1, with the translator's note...

Then God said, “I now give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the entire earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food." Genesis 1:29

Note: G. J. Wenham (Genesis [WBC], 1:34) points out that there is nothing in the passage that prohibits the man and the woman from eating meat. He suggests that eating meat came after the fall. Gen 9:3 may then ratify the postfall practice of eating meat rather than inaugurate the practice, as is often understood."

Genesis 9:3-4, " You may eat any moving thing that lives. As I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything. But you must not eat meat with its life (that is, its blood) in it. You may eat any moving thing that lives. As I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything."

Notice that his is a prohibition against eating meat only if the blood remains in it.

It's not necessary to change what Scripture clearly says to fit one's own feelings toward animals. If your conscience bothers you then be a vegetarian but don't justify it using the Bible.

Behold · Mar 6, 2022

GEN2REV said:
I rest my case.

Still no response to the posted question that has been asked countless times in this thread.

Only redirection, evasion and changing of the subject. But the subject doesn't change in this thread. The 10 Commandments are FOREVER and nobody has come close to successfully making a case, using scripture, to refute that..

Hebrews 8:7 says that if there had been nothing wrong with the old covenant, which includes Moses's Law and the 10 commandments, then there would have been no need for a New Testament and a New Covenant.
It was God who decided this situation.
GEN2REV, , when a person like you is commandment obsessed... then you are actually disagreeing with WHY God gave a New Covenant and a New Testament.
Your "gospel" is actually trying to replace the New Covenant CROSS of CHRIST with Moses's Old Testament law and commandments.
That is CULT teaching, that is Anti-Cross and Anti-Christ. It is this... Galatians 1:8
Do you see yourself, GEN2REV, as that is how God sees you right now, today, this very second.

Listen...Jesus , who is God, is the author of a NEW TESTAMENT and you are the one here ranting about = what His Blood and Death has replaced.

Daniel L. · Mar 6, 2022

Jim B said:
sacrifices of animals

Isaiah 66:3 He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a lamb, as if he cut off a dog's neck; he that offereth an oblation, as if he offered swine's blood; he that burneth incense, as if he blessed an idol. Yea, they have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations.

Jim B said:
meat came after the fall.

When the fallen angels went into the daughters of men, and begat giants who lusted after flesh, because the herbs and fruits could not sustained them, so it was the giants who first lusted after the flesh of animals and then after the flesh of men:

Jim B said:
It's not necessary to change what Scripture

You are the one who is changing Scripture, you changed the food in Genesis 1:29 to the food in Genesis 9:3. I know God cannot change, so Im sticking with the original commandment God gave to Adam, that cannot change.

GEN2REV · Mar 6, 2022

Behold said:
GEN2REV, when a person like you is commandment obsessed... then you are actually disagreeing with WHY God gave a New Covenant and a New Testament.
Your "gospel" is actually trying to replace the New Covenant CROSS of CHRIST with Moses's Old Testament law and commandments.
That is CULT teaching, that is Anti-Cross and Anti-Christ. It is this... Galatians 1:8
Do you see yourself, GEN2REV, as that is how God sees you right now, today, this very second.

Listen...Jesus , who is God, is the author of a NEW TESTAMENT and you are the one here ranting

Sadly, like most modern Christians today, you worship a different God, and different Jesus Christ, than that which is presented by sound scripture.

That is a shame and an epidemic in Christendom.

Only those who seek God diligently in His Word, and truly have the Holy Spirit living within them, will find, and recognize, the Truth of God's Word.

How different is the message that you preach, Behold, from that of the mainstream Christian masses?

No different whatsoever. Every church, TV Preacher, Christian radio host, etc. preaches the exact same message that you push.

And therein lies the problem.

When a profound passage like this exists in scripture, ...

"... wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life and few there be that find it."

... it absolutely demands that our doctrine differ greatly from that of the mainstream message being pushed by the vast majority of Christendom.

And your message, my friend, is found lacking.

"For I say unto you, except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of Heaven."
Matthew 5:20

2 Corinthians 6:17

Jim B · Mar 6, 2022

Daniel L. said:
Isaiah 66:3 He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a lamb, as if he cut off a dog's neck; he that offereth an oblation, as if he offered swine's blood; he that burneth incense, as if he blessed an idol. Yea, they have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations.

When the fallen angels went into the daughters of men, and begat giants who lusted after flesh, because the herbs and fruits could not sustained them, so it was the giants who first lusted after the flesh of animals and then after the flesh of men:

You are the one who is changing Scripture, you changed the food in Genesis 1:29 to the food in Genesis 9:3. I know God cannot change, so Im sticking with the original commandment God gave to Adam, that cannot change.

You can stick with whatever you want. I don't really care. It says in both Testaments that eating meat is perfectly fine. I believe what the Word of God clearly says, not your biased interpretation.

If you want to live by the Old Covenant, a.k.a., the Law, you must keep all of it. How many animals will you slaughter today to appease God?

Curtis · Mar 6, 2022

In 2 Corinthians chapter three, Paul says the apostles are the ministers of the new covenant and the law of the Spirit that gives life, which he compares with the ten commands, given to Moses on the mountain, that brings death..

The Ten Commands are called the ministration of DEATH, the letter which KILLS, and the ministration of CONDEMNATION.

2Co 3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the NEW testament; not of the letter, but of the SPIRIT : for the letter KILLETH , but the spirit giveth life.

2Co 3:7 But if the ministration OF DEATH written and engraved in stones (The Ten Commandments) was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be DONE AWAY:

2Co 3:8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be more glorious?

2Co 3:9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.

2Co 3:10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.

2Co 3:11 For if that which is DONE AWAY was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.

The reason the Ten commands kills, brings death, and condemnation, and has been done away, is due to the fact that the penalty under the law for breaking any of the Ten, was being put to death by stoning.

The penalty for homicide - being put to death by stoning:

Exo 21:12 He that smiteth a man, so that he die, shall be surely put to death.

The penalty for not honoring your mother and father: put to death by stoning:

Lev 20:9 For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put todeath: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall beupon him.

The penalty for adultery: put to death by stoning:

Lev 20:10 And the man that committeth adultery with anotherman's wife, even hethat committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.

The penalty for breaking the sabbath by doing any work, such as picking up sticks for kindling: put to death by stoning:

Exo 31:14 Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it isholy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth anywork therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people.

If the Ten Commands are still in effect, the penalty for breaking them is still in effect, thus those who insist on keeping the ended covenant that contained the Ten Commands, are breaking the law themselves, by not stoning to death those who break the commands.

1stCenturyLady · Mar 6, 2022

Curtis said:
In 2 Corinthians chapter three, Paul says the apostles are the ministers of the new covenant and the law of the Spirit that gives life, which he compares with the ten commands, given to Moses on the mountain, that brings death..

The Ten Commands are called the ministration of DEATH, the letter which KILLS, and the ministration of CONDEMNATION.

2Co 3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the NEW testament; not of the letter, but of the SPIRIT : for the letter KILLETH , but the spirit giveth life.

2Co 3:7 But if the ministration OF DEATH written and engraved in stones (The Ten Commandments) was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be DONE AWAY:

2Co 3:8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be more glorious?

2Co 3:9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.

2Co 3:10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.

2Co 3:11 For if that which is DONE AWAY was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.

The reason the Ten commands kills, brings death, and condemnation, and has been done away, is due to the fact that the penalty under the law for breaking any of the Ten, was being put to death by stoning.

The penalty for homicide - being put to death by stoning:

Exo 21:12 He that smiteth a man, so that he die, shall be surely put to death.

The penalty for not honoring your mother and father: put to death by stoning:

Lev 20:9 For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put todeath: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall beupon him.

The penalty for adultery: put to death by stoning:

Lev 20:10 And the man that committeth adultery with anotherman's wife, even hethat committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.

The penalty for breaking the sabbath by doing any work, such as picking up sticks for kindling: put to death by stoning:

Exo 31:14 Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it isholy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth anywork therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people.

If the Ten Commands are still in effect, the penalty for breaking them is still in effect, thus those who insist on keeping the ended covenant that contained the Ten Commands, are breaking the law themselves, by not stoning to death those who break the commands.

That is true but those who believe in keeping the Ten Commandments, and most importantly, the Sabbath DAY (letter) believe that Jesus died to pay that penalty. What they don't understand is according to Romans 4:15b in the middle of the 8 chapter teaching on LAW vs. SPIRIT, Paul states "for where there is no law there is no transgression." But at the end of the last chapter of this teaching, Romans 8, we see that the opposite is also true. Where there is no commission of sin, laws not to sin are unnecessary. That is the power of the Spirit within us.

The 10 Commandments are FOREVER

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