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RichardBurger

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Really? Well Jesus said otherwise.

Joh_12:47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.

I believe that I have already answered concerning this 'under the law' and 'under grace' issue', so I'm not going into it anymore. I get sick of having to repeat myself.

So do I.
 

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Jesus, by His own words, said He came to the lost sheep of Israel. He did not come to the Gentiles. I will believe Jesus.

If we are under the teachings of Jesus and the 12 then we are still under the Law of Moses, not under grace as Paul taught.


Israel is Gods people bro ?
I find it unbelievable that some people can be so utterly stupid and run around raving such rubbish as you do because the fact is you are offending Christ full on !

If Christ is our Lord and Saviour how can you just wipe Christ out of the away with this madness of the stupid damned fool goats, so called Jews ? coming back when they are an enemy of Christ ?
They are damned are they not ? of cause they are and so is anyone who opposes the Lord and that's a fact !

You have just made a fool of your self when you say he came for the lost sheep of Israel and then go around saying the Goats are fine ?

The Jews coming back are who ! ? they have been scattered all over the world bro for a reason ? and how do you classify who is and is not a Jew it's been 2000 years bro of breading with others bro. so it's just ridiculous nonsense for crying out loud.

I see your point as a full on nazi like madness and that's a fact ! you are possessed boy.

The Jews who are true (Israel) ? that were the first people to embrace Jesus Christ who are they ? the sheep just as are all Christians.

So how can you runaround and put anyone above Christ dude ?

Where does Jesus say that he came to reject the Law of Moses. he came to fulfill it end of story.
 

RichardBurger

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Israel is Gods people bro ?
I find it unbelievable that some people can be so utterly stupid and run around raving such rubbish as you do because the fact is you are offending Christ full on !

If Christ is our Lord and Saviour how can you just wipe Christ out of the away with this madness of the stupid damned fool goats, so called Jews ? coming back when they are an enemy of Christ ?
They are damned are they not ? of cause they are and so is anyone who opposes the Lord and that's a fact !

You have just made a fool of your self when you say he came for the lost sheep of Israel and then go around saying the Goats are fine ?

The Jews coming back are who ! ? they have been scattered all over the world bro for a reason ? and how do you classify who is and is not a Jew it's been 2000 years bro of breading with others bro. so it's just ridiculous nonsense for crying out loud.

I see your point as a full on nazi like madness and that's a fact ! you are possessed boy.

The Jews who are true (Israel) ? that were the first people to embrace Jesus Christ who are they ? the sheep just as are all Christians.

So how can you runaround and put anyone above Christ dude ?

Where does Jesus say that he came to reject the Law of Moses. he came to fulfill it end of story.

I don't believe that placing my belief, faith, trust, and confidence in Jesus' shed blood on the cross doing away with Jesus. By the way "bro" my name is Richard.

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lawrance

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I don't believe that placing my belief, faith, trust, and confidence in Jesus' shed blood on the cross doing away with Jesus. By the way "bro" my name is Richard.

No insults allowed. This rule will be strictly enforced. This community has a core set of beliefs that we clearly state at multiple locations on this website. However, we recognize that unity is Christ is the ultimate aim and this can be achieved even when there is disagreement on doctrinal issues. A good way to avoid this issue is to focus on the doctrine and not the person. This, of course, includes any kind of insults based on race or beliefs.


Boy you take offence at being called bro ? it means brother.

Insults ? rude or offend ?
I must have to apologise i think to the board then.
Sorry i won't mention any name but I could of worded it another way but i just got sick of what i thought of having to put up with some running around offending and straight out slandered Jesus Christ and the sprouting just full on racist rubbish. and that's the way i see it any road.
 

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I don't believe that placing my belief, faith, trust, and confidence in Jesus' shed blood on the cross doing away with Jesus. By the way "bro" my name is Richard.

No insults allowed. This rule will be strictly enforced. This community has a core set of beliefs that we clearly state at multiple locations on this website. However, we recognize that unity is Christ is the ultimate aim and this can be achieved even when there is disagreement on doctrinal issues. A good way to avoid this issue is to focus on the doctrine and not the person. This, of course, includes any kind of insults based on race or beliefs.

If this is based on Scripture, why don't we just sit back and let the Scripture speak for itself? Surely, if it is the living Word of God, it can do that, and it does. There is one problem. Humanity likes to take the Bible and bend it to fit their views, when we should be doing the exact opposite. Taking our views and changing them to meet the Bible's view. You can make the Bible say many different things on one subject if you just take one or two verses. It's not until you have every bit of the Scripture taken into account that you can say it's Scriptural. If there are contradictions and they cannot be demonstrated as fitting in, GUESS WHO'S OUT?! Not the Scripture! If such is the case, don't continue holding onto such a view. Find a view that can FULLY fit into Scripture and is FULLY based on Scripture, and is FULLY backed on Scripture.

Ultimately, insults are just insults. What really matters, is if you are standing where you are suppose to stand. If you are lined up with what God has said in his Word.

Jesus, the same yesterday, today, and forever.
 

RichardBurger

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Boy you take offence at being called bro ? it means brother.

Insults ? rude or offend ?
I must have to apologise i think to the board then.
Sorry i won't mention any name but I could of worded it another way but i just got sick of what i thought of having to put up with some running around offending and straight out slandered Jesus Christ and the sprouting just full on racist rubbish. and that's the way i see it any road.

ROSENBERGER, I am just a man as you are. What I believe is what I believe. I am not going to write something that I do not believe. What I see is that most will say I am a false teacher just because I don't believe what they believe. Well the world is full of people that will not let others believe anything unless it gets their approval.

Have you ever considered the fact that it was the religious people that had Jesus killed because He spoke against them. The Jews killed Stephen because he was speaking about them. It was the "believing Jews" that stoned Paul. Do you wish to be seen as a religious person? I certainly don’t.

If people want to believe what they believe, and do not let others believe as they wish then they are nothing less than a tyrant.

No where have I slandered Jesus. That is in your religious mind. I teach that faith in the shed blood of Jesus on the cross as the only means of salvation and yet you accuse me of slander. Why is that? Does it make you feel good to say false things about someone else?

I do wish people on forums could stop the blame and accusation game and focus on what is said in the scripture and their opinions about them instead of the person posting them. But it seems that some people just can’t resist character assassination of others.
 

lawrance

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ROSENBERGER, I am just a man as you are. What I believe is what I believe. I am not going to write something that I do not believe. What I see is that most will say I am a false teacher just because I don't believe what they believe. Well the world is full of people that will not let others believe anything unless it gets their approval.

Have you ever considered the fact that it was the religious people that had Jesus killed because He spoke against them. The Jews killed Stephen because he was speaking about them. It was the "believing Jews" that stoned Paul. Do you wish to be seen as a religious person? I certainly don’t.

If people want to believe what they believe, and do not let others believe as they wish then they are nothing less than a tyrant.

No where have I slandered Jesus. That is in your religious mind. I teach that faith in the shed blood of Jesus on the cross as the only means of salvation and yet you accuse me of slander. Why is that? Does it make you feel good to say false things about someone else?

I do wish people on forums could stop the blame and accusation game and focus on what is said in the scripture and their opinions about them instead of the person posting them. But it seems that some people just can’t resist character assassination of others.


Sorry Brother Burger you see it that way.
But i have to try to let you see what offends me of some of your positions.
I hope you don't see me as trying to be offencive.
The Jews did not kill Stephen because he was talking about them, it was that he spoke the truth and they were offended because of that.
I don't like to have to say that anyone is slandering deliberately and i don't believe i should just stand by and allow people to be mislead.
I to believe that the shed blood of Jesus on the cross is for our salvation as well but if someone just thinks that's the end of it all and disregards everything else no that is not so..
 

RichardBurger

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Sorry Brother Burger you see it that way.
But i have to try to let you see what offends me of some of your positions.
I hope you don't see me as trying to be offencive.
The Jews did not kill Stephen because he was talking about them, it was that he spoke the truth and they were offended because of that.
I don't like to have to say that anyone is slandering deliberately and i don't believe i should just stand by and allow people to be mislead.
I to believe that the shed blood of Jesus on the cross is for our salvation as well but if someone just thinks that's the end of it all and disregards everything else no that is not so..

You must have a chip on your shouders. I see nothing in what you believe that ""offends"" me. You are free to believe what you wish. And so am I.

In your opinion I am mis-leading the people so you are going to make it your mission to put me down and elevate yourself. And yet you do not see that you are just feeding your ego.

Have you ever considered that what I teach is the truth. NO you haven't because it doesn't agree with what you believe. However I have said nothing on this forum that I have not given scripturers to support it.

We will never have a meaningful discussion on any forum as long as you think you are on it to be the policeman that must lock up all that YOU think are wrong. Are you playing god on the forum? Do you remember the spirit that was in Saul?

As long as you feel that you are the policeman on this forum there will always be any meaningful discussions. Only arguements.

I am not offended because I see you doing the same thing to others.
 

lawrance

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Jesus, by His own words, said He came to the lost sheep of Israel. He did not come to the Gentiles. I will believe Jesus.

If we are under the teachings of Jesus and the 12 then we are still under the Law of Moses, not under grace as Paul taught.


If we are not under the teaching of Jesus then ? we must have another ? if that is so then. like Paul is above Jesus then by your reckoning ?
Some don't even know what Israel means obviously ?
 

lawrance

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You must have a chip on your shouders. I see nothing in what you believe that ""offends"" me. You are free to believe what you wish. And so am I.

In your opinion I am mis-leading the people so you are going to make it your mission to put me down and elevate yourself. And yet you do not see that you are just feeding your ego.

Have you ever considered that what I teach is the truth. NO you haven't because it doesn't agree with what you believe. However I have said nothing on this forum that I have not given scripturers to support it.

We will never have a meaningful discussion on any forum as long as you think you are on it to be the policeman that must lock up all that YOU think are wrong. Are you playing god on the forum? Do you remember the spirit that was in Saul?

As long as you feel that you are the policeman on this forum there will always be any meaningful discussions. Only arguements.

I am not offended because I see you doing the same thing to others.

What is it that you don't like about investigating got something to hide.
 

RichardBurger

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What is it that you don't like about investigating got something to hide.

So in order for you to win you must attack me, personally. Sound like a politician.

Are you so caught up in you own thoughts that you do not know that the gospel, the one that was hidden in God (the gospel of grace) was given to Paul """By Jesus""".

Jesus gave us Paul's gospel. It is a pity that you want to play class warfare between Jesus and Paul.

Things that were hidden in God:


Deuteronomy 29:28-29
28 And the Lord uprooted them from their land in anger, in wrath, and in great indignation, and cast them into another land, as it is this day.'
29 "The secret things belong to the Lord our God, but those things which are revealed belong to us and to our children forever, that we may do all the words of this law.
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Luke 18:31-34
31 Then He took the twelve aside and said to them, "Behold, we are going up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of Man will be accomplished.
32 For He will be delivered to the Gentiles and will be mocked and insulted and spit upon.
33 They will scourge Him and kill Him. And the third day He will rise again."
34 But they understood none of these things; this saying was hidden from them, and they did not know the things which were spoken.
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John 13:7
7 Jesus answered and said to him, "What I am doing you do not understand now, but you will know after this."
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Ephesians 3:1-5
1 For this reason I, Paul, the prisoner of Christ Jesus for you Gentiles —
2 if indeed you have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which was given to me for you,
3 how that by revelation He made known to me the mystery (as I have briefly written already,
4 by which, when you read, you may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ),
5 which in other ages was not made known to the sons of men, as it has now been revealed by the Spirit to His holy apostles and prophets:
NKJV

Colossians 1:26
26 the mystery which has been hidden from ages and from generations, but now has been revealed to His saints.
NKJV
 

lawrance

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So in order for you to win you must attack me, personally. Sound like a politician.

Are you so caught up in you own thoughts that you do not know that the gospel, the one that was hidden in God (the gospel of grace) was given to Paul """By Jesus""".

Jesus gave us Paul's gospel. It is a pity that you want to play class warfare between Jesus and Paul.

Things that were hidden in God:


Deuteronomy 29:28-29
28 And the Lord uprooted them from their land in anger, in wrath, and in great indignation, and cast them into another land, as it is this day.'
29 "The secret things belong to the Lord our God, but those things which are revealed belong to us and to our children forever, that we may do all the words of this law.
NKJV

Luke 18:31-34
31 Then He took the twelve aside and said to them, "Behold, we are going up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of Man will be accomplished.
32 For He will be delivered to the Gentiles and will be mocked and insulted and spit upon.
33 They will scourge Him and kill Him. And the third day He will rise again."
34 But they understood none of these things; this saying was hidden from them, and they did not know the things which were spoken.
NKJV

John 13:7
7 Jesus answered and said to him, "What I am doing you do not understand now, but you will know after this."
NKJV

Ephesians 3:1-5
1 For this reason I, Paul, the prisoner of Christ Jesus for you Gentiles —
2 if indeed you have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which was given to me for you,
3 how that by revelation He made known to me the mystery (as I have briefly written already,
4 by which, when you read, you may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ),
5 which in other ages was not made known to the sons of men, as it has now been revealed by the Spirit to His holy apostles and prophets:
NKJV

Colossians 1:26
26 the mystery which has been hidden from ages and from generations, but now has been revealed to His saints.
NKJV

The mystery has nothing to do with just the gentiles. it comes from Jesus to all.
Eph 4:4-6
 

RichardBurger

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God's Grace is not hidden.

It was until Jesus gave it to Paul. That is what the scriptures, that you say you believe, say in morte than one place.

In me first:

1 Timothy 1:15-17
15 This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, of whom I am chief.
16 However, for this reason I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might show all longsuffering, as a pattern to those who are going to believe on Him for everlasting life.
17 Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, to God who alone is wise, be honor and glory forever and ever. Amen.
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Verse 16: “that in me first Jesus Christ might show all longsuffering, as a pattern to those who are going to believe on Him for everlasting life.”

This is when the grace church of His body started. It started with the calling out of Paul