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The Bible is telling us that there is no other besides YHWH.Minstreams believe Jesus is equal to His Father YHWH in everything. But Jesus is stating in many ways that His Father is grater than He.The mainstreams are claiming if we don't believe Jesus is equal to His Father we are anti-Christs and non-believers.Is this what this forum believe too?Thank you:)
 

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Christ said if you have seen me you have seen the Father.... if you understand who we are and who is the flesh body with the spirit man inside, this is not a biggie... Christ is the flesh body with the spiritual portion of the Father living in Him.. the main stream has no understanding of the earth ages a who we are in the flesh... if they did they would understand all this more clearly..
 

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Christ said if you have seen me you have seen the Father.... if you understand who we are and who is the flesh body with the spirit man inside, this is not a biggie... Christ is the flesh body with the spiritual portion of the Father living in Him.. the main stream has no understanding of the earth ages a who we are in the flesh... if they did they would understand all this more clearly..
You are right, this is no biggie but mainstreams are making such big deal about it and ostracizing their opposers by calling them anti-christs and non-believers. It is outrageous to me.
 

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They will say and do anything they can to try and cause us to lose faith. Its not politically correct to be a Christain. To believe in Christ being the only way to salvation.It gets in the way of the new world religious order to make all religions acceptable. Think about it if they could make us believe that Christ was just a man then they could say there is one god or goddess and he/she is called many names by many peoples, then we could accept all religions. Christ is the main stumbling block to this. Because they can not understand that our true state is as spirit being not a physical one, that the body is simply the house for the soul/spirit. They will do everything possiable to cast doubt upon Christ as our savior because it futhers their agenda.
 

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What they don't realize is that they are being Jesus' enemy by what they are doing and serving their own worldly desires. I guess if they have a big church that makes them feel superior and important. I even wonder if they even care about salvation.
 

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Christ is the flesh body with the spiritual portion of the Father living in Him
I don't understand your post. Are you saying that the Father has more than one piece, and the spiritual piece of him is now in Christ, and no longer in the Father?Are you saying that the Father had a body that was located somewhere, and then gave that up to take up a flesh body, called Christ, and that there is no separate Son?
 

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I don't understand your post. Are you saying that the Father has more than one piece, and the spiritual piece of him is now in Christ, and no longer in the Father?Are you saying that the Father had a body that was located somewhere, and then gave that up to take up a flesh body, called Christ, and that there is no separate Son?
I cannot answer for Bet but I think I understand what she meant. Jesus is only doing His father's will. Jesus and His Father, YHWH are one in our Salvation. Jesus was sinless and faithful unto death and made our salvation available.Jesus would never elevate Himself equal to His Father. He is saying He cannot do anything without His Father. This kind of comment does not make Jesus equal to His Father.
 

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B"midbar, Father rmade us in HIS IMAGE... and the Hebrew Word in Genesis 1 for God is Eloheem and it means God and the angels, so God made flesh bodies in the image of Him and the angels... all of our flesh bodies are recepticals for the spirit man... these can be either good or evil and they are place here to make a decision for whom they will stand in this earth age, whether for God or for Satan...why? because when Satan fell and took 1/3 of the children of God, God stopped everything, the Katabol , God then began this age in order to redeem those whom satan had taken, instead of destroying them as He would have to do eventually if they do not repent and come to a renewed relationship with the Father through the Son. And in the very same way that we are partially of spirit, so Christ too is of the Spirit, our Fathers Spirit is the one in Him... in us this Spirit is our eternal soul... eternal means from the very beginning to the end...from the first age to the last age our intellect has been and will be... as Christ said "if you have seen me you have seen the Father" the image is the same...in both us and Yashua... when we are in the spirit realm we will "know as we are known" because we look somewhat the same now as we did then, and will look again..
 

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Actually my dear sister Faithful1. Our Lord Jesus (Yahshua) Christ is equal to His Father. Christ existed in the very beginning.John 1:1 - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.John 10:30 - I and my Father are one.I John 5:7 - 7For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.Philippians 2:6 - Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:However He made Himself of no reputation.Philippians 2:7 - But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:When He was in the flesh (John 1:14) He was made lower than the angels in a flesh body. (Hebrews 2:9)(Psalms 8:5) He is equal to His Father because He is God.
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This is getting into the teaching of the trinity of God. The easiest way I know to explain this is to think of your own human flesh body, we also have a spirit body that lives in the flesh body, and this spirit body has a soul (mind/heart) so in a sense we are 3 in one physical body. Now God being God sent a part of his spirit into a human body (we call this human body Christ) but the spirit sent into the body was/ is a part of God so God and Christ are one, but also Father and son.Hope that makes some sense.
 

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That's right Kriss.
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Christ does indeed have a Spirit. That Spirit was His Father. Hence the reason why He was sinless (the only one) throughout His physical life. No one on Earth (except Christ) can become sinless because we don't have the Spirit from Father...but Christ can quicken us.
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Actually my dear sister Faithful1. Our Lord Jesus (Yahshua) Christ is equal to His Father. Christ existed in the very beginning.
thank you jag for calling me your sister. I have been called in many names but sister in christ because I dont agree with mainstream's trinity Jesus being equal to His Father, YHWH.It is so complicated the way trinitatians using the Scripture. so I won't go into the debate but I am firm believer of Jesus being Son of God and Savior of the world, and without Him noone can be saved and believing Jesus as God and equal to His Father is not necesary for salvation. Jesus exprssed in many ways that His Father is greater than Him. I believe this theology is passed down from RCC and mistic fairy tale like theology like most of the RCC's doctrine IMHO.thank you, Jag:)
 

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Jesus was "God in the flesh." God is a Triune God, God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. The Three are One. Easy to write but impossible to understand.:study:
 

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thank you jag for calling me your sister. I have been called in many names but sister in christ because I dont agree with mainstream's trinity Jesus being equal to His Father, YHWH.It is so complicated the way trinitatians using the Scripture. so I won't go into the debate but I am firm believer of Jesus being Son of God and Savior of the world, and without Him noone can be saved and believing Jesus as God and equal to His Father is not necesary for salvation. Jesus exprssed in many ways that His Father is greater than Him. I believe this theology is passed down from RCC and mistic fairy tale like theology like most of the RCC's doctrine IMHO.thank you, Jag:)
A big10-4 sister!
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Besides, you can look all day and you won't find the word 'trinity' anywhere in scripture. But Godhead? Romans 1:20For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:Now that's a different story.There is a point in the Bible where all parts of the Godhead are present at one time.....
 

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thank you jag for calling me your sister. I have been called in many names but sister in christ because I dont agree with mainstream's trinity Jesus being equal to His Father, YHWH.
I understand you my dear sister in Christ...quite frankly, I, too don't agree with mainstreams...I almost want to feel like I am alone...of that such.(Faithful1)
It is so complicated the way trinitatians using the Scripture. so I won't go into the debate but I am firm believer of Jesus being Son of God and Savior of the world, and without Him noone can be saved and believing Jesus as God and equal to His Father is not necesary for salvation. Jesus exprssed in many ways that His Father is greater than Him. I believe this theology is passed down from RCC and mistic fairy tale like theology like most of the RCC's doctrine IMHO.
It is complicated indeed. I just think debates are pointless to me... (Romans 1:29) ...because for some reason... to me all it does is cause an arguments. I rather think of this as a discussion because it doesn't pick a fight. When Jesus says that His Father is greater than Him, we must realized at that time...He was saying that when he was human...in a flesh body. (John 1:14) When He was in the flesh, He didn't have that what He had earlier in His Life. (before He was in a flesh body) Jesus, the Son of God came as a simple man...not as God. (although He is God) (John 1:1, I Timothy 3:16)John 1:1 - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.I Timothy 3:16 - And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.In short, When Jesus, as flesh...His Father is greater than Him. I agree 100%.John 14:28 - Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.When Jesus, as God, He is equal to His Father...which is, He didn't steal anything that was from His Father.Philippians 2:6 - Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:It is no contradictions though...yet complicated, since there is no contradictions in the Word of God.(Faithful1)
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Your welcome Faithful1.Lovest ye in Christ Jesus our Lord and Saviour.
 

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Kriss and Betchevy, thank you for the explication. I also appreciate reading what the others have written, too! But especially when I read that which you two wrote, I see a difference between that, and what I think, but maybe not. Kriss, you brought out the idea of three. To me, to be a human is not just to have a physical body, there is a second part, the soul/spirit. So I see two parts. You see three. I understand so far. But I think of Jesus as being fully human and also God. So it is like for him there are three things in my thinking. It sounds like you two are describing Jesus as having only two things, the human body (only) and God. So it is like you are saying he is not fully human like us (except for sin of course). Do you view it this way, or is it just because of our different systems of thought that it seems to me like that is what you are saying?Human: a body, a human spirit, a spirit bodyJesus: a body, spirit of God