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Passage: Genesis 5:5:So altogether Adam lived 930 years, and he died.Has Adam's age been counted from the moment he sinned or from the moment he was created? Genesis 5:3 When Adam had lived 130 years, he had a son in his own likeness, after his image; and he named him Seth. Note: He had more children before then. So that tells us that he lived in Garden of Eden alot less then even 130 years. Lets say 100-110. Was that enought time to name each and every specie on the plannet? He had to actually see each animal / specie, and pay close attention to each to make up a name that would go with the animal. That got me thinking, has it been 6000 years since the creation, or did Bible start counting days (24 hours) since the sin entered the earth?
 

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Remember what was said in the Garden: Genesis 3:17But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. Jump over to II Peter: II Peter 3:8But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. Nobody lived to be a thousand. Methuselah came the closest at 969 but he died in the same day just like all the rest. Adam was 930 years old when he died. This, of course, leads into a deeper discussion and one that has caused much strife.
 

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Remember what was said in the Garden: Genesis 3:17But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. Jump over to II Peter: II Peter 3:8But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. Nobody lived to be a thousand. Methuselah came the closest at 969 but he died in the same day just like all the rest. Adam was 930 years old when he died. This, of course, leads into a deeper discussion and one that has caused much strife.
Very good answer (John) Denver (Broncos)
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. And at just about 6,000 years old the Earth and all that is in it is approaching the millenial sabbath rest.
 

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It is not true that the earth is 6000 years old, and if you look to the original texts you will see eth Ha adam THEemphatic ruddy faced man... was created to be a tender of the garden and these animals he was naming were those who are used in farming.. the domestic animals.. Tama you have discovered why the tradtions of men are not possible, but if you would look at the teaching here http://www.theseason.org/genesis/genesis.htm you'll get a much better understanding of the truth from the word rather than mens fairy tales that do not make sense or add up to the truths our science has shown us regarding the age of the earth..
 

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That the Earth is over 6,000 years old. I have to agree with my sister Betchevy and everybody else who thinks the same.Lovest thou in Christ Jesus our Lord and Saviour.
 

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Well right guys and gal, but let's not hijack the lady's thread now.
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(Tama, I never got to welcome you as I was away...so welcome. Get used to the threads here going this way and that from time to time.
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How old is the earth? If we go back 500 years, we come to the time of Martin Luther (born in 1483), and Columbus, who “sailed the ocean blue in 1492.”If we go back 1000 years, we come to the time of Leif Ericson, Christian explorer, who preached Christ to pagans. (World Book, 1983, vol.6, page 270.)If we go back 2000 years, we come to the birth of Jesus Christ. Our calendar is dated from His birth.If we go back 3000 years, we come to the time of David and Solomon; they ruled Israel about 1000 BC.If we go back 4000 years, we come to the time of Abraham (2000 BC), ancestor of Arabs and Jews.If we go back 5000 years, we come to the time of Enoch, who “walked with God 300 years … and God took him [into Heaven].”If we go back 6000 years, we come to the time of Creation, and Adam and Eve (4004 BC). Luke, evangelist and historian, records Adam as the first man (Luke 3:38).The earth is about 6000 years old. I would add that although many people don't accept this timeline of history, they have difficulty deciding exactly when they would start to disagree with it.
 

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Tama, there is some confusion in there. The Earth is not 6,000 years old. It is almost 6,000 flesh years old. (second age) We existed on Earth before we were born in our flesh body.II Peter 3:8 - But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.Jeremiah 1:5 - Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.Lovest ye in Christ Jesus our Lord and Saviour.
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I have been to Glen Rose Texas and seen footprints shaped like ours and Dinaosaur prints that are over a million years old.... how do you explain that? Do you think that the oil we are driving our cars on could be formed in only 6000 years from the bodies of these same dinosaurs? Tama please check ou the first thread on the site and check out Denver's studies.. if you are interested... it'd be my plesure to send you some Genesis 1-6 cd's that will really give you the entire word from the hebrew...
 

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I have been to Glen Rose Texas and seen footprints shaped like ours and Dinaosaur prints that are over a million years old.... how do you explain that?
It has been proven that "fossilization" can take mere decades, not millions of years. Also, you are advocating that "death" came before sin. I see no evidence for this in scripture. We are told death came by man's sin, not animals.1 Corinthians 15:21For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.Romans 5:12Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
Do you think that the oil we are driving our cars on could be formed in only 6000 years from the bodies of these same dinosaurs?
The therory of abiotic oil contends that oil is a self-replicating feature of earth.
 

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We are told death came by man's sin, not animals.The therory of abiotic oil contends that oil is a self-replicating feature of earth.
I agree with RDN. With enough research using proper sourses which is Bible, we can be sure that only sin caused death, that there are no million-year layers. If we let ourselves be gullable, we can be fooled by Darwin theory and other atheistic theories that will ruin our faith and out trust in God's word!!!!
 

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Yes, we know that death came by man's sin. No denying that. It is just that Lucifer (Satan) is the first man (angels are also man stated in the bible) that sinned. He is the father of all lies. And a murderer from the beginning. (John 8:44)Lovest ye in Christ Jesus our Lord and Saviour.
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We did not exist in the time of dinosaurs in the flesh body, but we existed in our spiritual body.
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Yes, we know that death came by man's sin. No denying that. It is just that Lucifer (Satan) is the first man (angels are also man stated in the bible) that sinned. He is the father of all lies. And a murderer from the beginning. (John 8:44)
Um, Lucifer was a covering cherub. He was an angel. Not a man. He appeared on earth first as a serpent, not a man. Ezekiel 28:16By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.2 Corinthians 11:14And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
Lovest ye in Christ Jesus our Lord and Saviour.
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We did not exist in the time of dinosaurs in the flesh body, but we existed in our spiritual body.
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You'd be hard pressed to find one scripture verse that supports that notion.
 

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Dear Betchevy--the only footprint "shaped like ours" that I have heard about appearing next to a dinasaours footprint, had a shoe heel in the print. It may not be a sham but no one takes it seriously. If there is another footprint, I haven't heard of it and would like to know where you saw it.Granted God may have a whole differnt vocabulary but that doesn't mean that he inspired men to write the Bible using that vocabulary. It seems to me what II Peter 3:8 says is that with God time is irrelevant, He is infinite, forever, ever was, expanding as the cosmos expands, constantly creating as the cosmos constantly creates. For hundreds of years, Christians have believed the Bible says it was about 6,000 years since creation. Where do you find a measuirment of time called "flesh years"? God certainly knew of us before our birh but that is because He knows all, not because we were on earth ticking off "flesh years."Your calculations, respectfully, seem created to meet the scientific knowledge regarding the age of the earth and the evolution of life.antonio
 

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Yes, we know that death came by man's sin. No denying that. It is just that Lucifer (Satan) is the first man (angels are also man stated in the bible) that sinned. He is the father of all lies. And a murderer from the beginning. (John 8:44)
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Um, Lucifer was a covering cherub. He was an angel. Not a man. He appeared on earth first as a serpent, not a man.
You are telling me that Lucifer appeared as a literal snake. I say nay unto thee.Revelation 12:9 - And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.Revelation 20:2 - And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,Angels are mens too.
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Genesis 19:1 - And there came two angels to Sodom at even; and Lot sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot seeing them rose up to meet them; and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground;Genesis 19:12-13 - And the men said unto Lot, Hast thou here any besides? son in law, and thy sons, and thy daughters, and whatsoever thou hast in the city, bring them out of this place: For we will destroy this place, because the cry of them is waxen great before the face of the LORD; and the LORD hath sent us to destroy it.You'd be extremely hard pressed to find scriptures that support this so called 6,000 years old Earth.Jeremiah 4:22 - For my people is foolish, they have not known me; they are sottish children, and they have none understanding: they are wise to do evil, but to do good they have no knowledge.II Peter 3:5-6 - For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:The above scriptures are indeed talking about the first Earth Age being perished by a flood. This is not referring to Noah's flood...To give more scriptures look at below scriptures.Jeremiah 4:23 - I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light.Reminds me of Genesis 1:2 - And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.And Isaiah 45:18 - For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.Jeremiah 4:24-27 - I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly. I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled. I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger. For thus hath the LORD said, The whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end.God has ended the first Earth Age. We are in the Second Earth Age.II Peter 3:7 - But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.Dare I say that this II Peter 3:8 - But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.Hope you can understand this. God is so awesome for helping people finding the truth.Lovest ye in Christ Jesus our Lord and Saviour.
 

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You are telling me that Lucifer appeared as a literal snake. I say nay unto thee.Revelation 12:9 - And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.Revelation 20:2 - And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,Angels are mens too.
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Genesis 19:1 - And there came two angels to Sodom at even; and Lot sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot seeing them rose up to meet them; and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground;Genesis 19:12-13 - And the men said unto Lot, Hast thou here any besides? son in law, and thy sons, and thy daughters, and whatsoever thou hast in the city, bring them out of this place: For we will destroy this place, because the cry of them is waxen great before the face of the LORD; and the LORD hath sent us to destroy it.You'd be extremely hard pressed to find scriptures that support this so called 6,000 years old Earth.Jeremiah 4:22 - For my people is foolish, they have not known me; they are sottish children, and they have none understanding: they are wise to do evil, but to do good they have no knowledge.II Peter 3:5-6 - For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:The above scriptures are indeed talking about the first Earth Age being perished by a flood. This is not referring to Noah's flood...To give more scriptures look at below scriptures.Jeremiah 4:23 - I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light.Reminds me of Genesis 1:2 - And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.And Isaiah 45:18 - For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.Jeremiah 4:24-27 - I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly. I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled. I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger. For thus hath the LORD said, The whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end.God has ended the first Earth Age. We are in the Second Earth Age.II Peter 3:7 - But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.Dare I say that this II Peter 3:8 - But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.Hope you can understand this. God is so awesome for helping people finding the truth.Lovest ye in Christ Jesus our Lord and Saviour.
I understand it, I just don't buy Arnold Murray's teaching that's all.
 

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What's really funny is that, I don't have a pastor to learn from. I study alone myself (reality) and some help from my brethens here. I thank them.
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Lovest ye in Christ Jesus our Lord and Saviour.Thanks to Father in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazereth for allowing me to see the truth.
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Dear Betchevy--the only footprint "shaped like ours" that I have heard about appearing next to a dinasaours footprint, had a shoe heel in the print. It may not be a sham but no one takes it seriously. If there is another footprint, I haven't heard of it and would like to know where you saw it.Granted God may have a whole differnt vocabulary but that doesn't mean that he inspired men to write the Bible using that vocabulary. It seems to me what II Peter 3:8 says is that with God time is irrelevant, He is infinite, forever, ever was, expanding as the cosmos expands, constantly creating as the cosmos constantly creates. For hundreds of years, Christians have believed the Bible says it was about 6,000 years since creation. Where do you find a measuirment of time called "flesh years"? God certainly knew of us before our birh but that is because He knows all, not because we were on earth ticking off "flesh years."Your calculations, respectfully, seem created to meet the scientific knowledge regarding the age of the earth and the evolution of life.antonio
Antonio, you should be advised that a number of folks here are followers and students of Arnold Murray of Gravette, Ark.Here is a partial list of his teachings, which in all honesty, I agree with a few of them, other I disagree with:Arnold Murray * In mentioning God the Father, Murray often refers to him as both "The Father," and "Our Father." He refers to Jesus as "Jesus" and "Yeshua". He refers to the Holy Ghost as the Holy Spirit. He does teach the Trinity, but in a manner that some may refer to as modalism.Human Origins * Murray teaches that all the races were created on the sixth day of creation based on the scripture of Gen 1:26 and Adam and Eve were created after the seventh day. Traditional Christianity teaches that all people were descended from one man and one woman who were created on the sixth day. Murray also teaches a difference between Adam and the ha'Adam to document the above. * Murray teaches that God first created man in a spiritual body, there was a rebellion led by Satan, then God placed those souls into flesh bodies, born innocent on Earth and to die once in the flesh, finally returning to God in spirit for judgement. He also says that the "elect" are those who sided with God during the rebellion of Satan. * Murray teaches the doctrine of the "serpent seed" (God, speaking to Satan, Gen 3:15 "And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel." ), which is the belief that Satan beguiled Eve, and that Cain was the offspring of the union. He sites as documentation the mistranslated word "again" which Strong's Concordance #3254 documents should rightly be translated "continued" meaning Cain and Abel were fraternal twins. He further states that the first time the twins both gave their first fruits to God at the same time, traditionally would be at the day they came of age, on the same day. Further, he uses the Strong's Concrdance to document that the descendants of Cain are called Kenites [Strong's Concordance verifies the definition of Kenites to mean "Sons of Cain". He claims that these people are referred to in Matthew 13 as the "tares".EschatologyMurray teaches there are two tribulations. The sixth trump tribulation Rapture is the Anti-christ, effectively pretending to be Christ, and deceiving many, convincing them to "fly away" with him before the seventh trump. He teaches that the seventh trump tribulation is God's wrath. According to Murray, those who think the first ones taken from the field in the first tribulation Rapture are those deceived and are mistakenly worshiping the anti-christ, thinking he is Jesus which therefore would describe them as those having "the mark of the beast" mentioned in Revelation 13.To support his teaching, Murray cites: Mat 24:40 "Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left." Eze 13:18 "And say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Woe to the women that sew pillows to all armholes, and make kerchiefs upon the head of every stature to hunt souls! Will ye hunt the souls of my people, and will ye save the souls alive that come unto you?" Eze 13:19 "And will ye pollute me among my people for handfuls of barley and for pieces of bread, to slay the souls that should not die, and to save the souls alive that should not live, by your lying to my people that hear your lies?" Eze 13:20 " Wherefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows, wherewith ye there hunt the souls to make them fly, and I will tear them from your arms, and will let the souls go, even the souls that ye hunt to make them fly." * Using Strong's Concordance, he distinguishes between the terms Sheol, keber, Gehenna, Hades, Tartarus, and the lake of fire, while some Christians do not distinguish between the terms, or infer them to mean the same thing (viz., Hell). He teaches that the Lake of Fire is an annihilation of the soul; that souls judged wicked cease to exist (blotted out) at the end of the millennium testing. (He bases this on Ezekiel 28 and other passages.)Other Teachings * Teaches that there is a separation of time between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2 (See Gap creationism). He cites the alleged mistranslation of the word היה in Gen 1:2, which incorrectly translated as "was", should have been translated (according to Strong's Concordance) correctly as "became", thus reading : "Gen 1:2 And the earth became without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep" He states that this teaching is also supported by other scriptures in the Bible. * Teaches that there were 8 Adamic souls on Noah's Ark, and 2 (male/female) of every flesh including human flesh. Traditional Christianity only considers that there were 8: Noah, his wife, Noah's 3 sons (Shem, Ham and Japheth) and their wives. Murray teaches that that possibly 2 of the other souls on the ark would include Kenites. * He believes and has stated as fact an urban legend that NASA scientists have discovered a "missing" day in time that corresponds to the Bible's account of the sun's standing still in the sky (Joshua 10:13). Murray was observed doing this on May 5, 2005. [1] * He teaches that the Bible supports the Death Penalty for those convicted of murder and rape. * He teaches that the Rapture of the righteous before Satan's tribulation at the sixth trump is a false doctrine, and that those who believe it will be deceived by Satan during that tribulation. * Teaches the doctrine of the Father, the Son, and The Holy Spirit. * Murray rejects the use of the term "Reverend" for himself, claiming that only God is entitled to this term. * Teaches that the single instance where "Easter" appears in the bible is obviously mistranslated, saying that the the original word is "pascal" and should have been translated correctly as "Passover". He also states that the word "Easter" refers to the goddess "Ishtar", and is a fertility rite ceremony. He states that Webster's Dictionary documents this.
 

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I'll stand behind Murray on his teachings, but this is not his teaching. It's in the Bible and it was taught long before Arnold Murray came along. The problem is, it was just hidden by the nonsensical doctrines of man such as the fairytale myths that have come around as a part of popular culture and the church. Satan is actually addressed as a man on several occasions. One of them occurs in Ezekiel 28. Angels are commonly addressed as such. Gabriel's name translates to "man of God." This AGE is 6,000 years old and so is man. This world is not, it is much older. God didn't create us as 6 day (6 of his days) experiment. It goes much deeper and it's all there in the Word. I follow no man, but that doesn't mean I can agree with some of them to varying degrees. The most important being Jesus the Christ is our Lord and Savior who died for our sins on the cross.