When Did Jesus Say He Would Return?
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Then why are we not in Jerusalem reiging with Christ Jesus over ALL... nations with a rod of iron as written? And where's the resurrection that make up the rest (probably majority) of Christ's Church, for they still are not here on earth yet?? And when did Christ Jesus return per the Zechariah 14 and Acts 1 Scripture? Where's His Apostles that are to sit upon thrones ruling over the 12 tribes of Israel? And where's ... the New Jerusalem coming down from God out of Heaven to this earth as written?
And where's the Millennium sanctuary to be established in Jerusalem, along with the tree of life and God's River flowing out from His House on earth into the desert in that area per Ezek.40-47?
Denying the existence of all that Scripture evidence is not going to allow one to properly understand the signs of the end of this world which our Lord gave us in His Word.
Yeah, he's on doctrines of Preterism, but I don't think he's as liable to be deceived to wrongly bow in false worship to the coming "another Jesus" like you are, which is who the Pre-trib Rapture is designed to lead to.
Walking closely to the Lord and getting into His word keeps me free from deception. If one thinks that as a believer, one will see 'another Jesus' coming, then one is deceived already. there is definitely a warning for us to watch out for false Christs...and there are always those among us, but the advent of the Antichrist will only fool the foolish---not the alert.
If you don't heed Paul's warning about the preaching of "another Jesus" and "another gospel" and "another spirit" per his warning in 2 Cor.11, then you are in danger of falling away to worship the coming pseudo-Christ instead of waiting on our Lord Jesus' true return after that event.
The coming pseudo-Christ that is coming in final to deceive is not coming in a role that will be easily recognizable as being false. Our Lord Jesus pointed that fact out in His Matt.24 warning...
Matt 24:23-26
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, "Lo, here is Christ, or there"; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, "Behold, he is in the desert"; go not forth: "behold, he is in the secret chambers"; believe it not.
(KJV)
The "false Christs" phrase is the Greek word 'pseudochristos', made up of two Greek words (pseudo and Christos). Greek Christos means 'Christ' singular in the Greek. It's not plural, as the Matt.24:23 & 26 verses do reveal.
The Matt.24:24 verse shows the LEVEL of power of deception that pseudo-Christ is to work on earth. Being given to work great signs and wonders that would ALMOST deceive Christ's own elect means what level of power? It's certainly not a level of deception that has ever... appeared on this earth yet, including to our day. But it's coming.
That reveals the coming of the final Antichrist pseudo-Christ as a special working of deception meant only for the very end of this world, just prior... to our Lord Jesus Christ's return and our gathering. And that's especially the "strong delusion" that Apostle Paul was warning of in the 2 Thess.2 Scripture, as Christ did also with the Rev.13:11-18 Scripture about the "another beast" person.
This is why the word "antichrist" can actually mean 'instead of' or 'in place of Christ' per the Greek, when it is most often only taught as meaning to be against Christ, like the idea of pro and con.
That is why... Paul's idea of the great falling away (apostasia) involves Christian brethren that are deceived into thinking that pseudo-Christ is our True Lord Jesus. It won't be. The fake messiah is coming in the role of our Lord Jesus Christ, and many are going to be fooled by it, simply because they have been listening to other things instead of staying in His Word of Truth. That's why some have a love of the truth, and others do not.
If you don't understand the Scriptures I covered in my above post, then you are most liable to be deceived when the pseudo-Christ does arrive working miracles on the earth, with the majority of deceived Christian leaders proclaiming to you that is our Lord Jesus Christ, when it won't be.
If you've followed what they say, instead of heeding the Scripture as written, then there's no reason to think you wouldn't listen to their false proclamation in that time either. You've still got time today to get into the Scripture about that event as written, but the time is very, very short now.
Wow. Ever the eager one to be hailed a teacher of the word.
I know the word.
Anyone who comes doing miracles is not Christ. When He comes His Bride will be riding with Him. His sheep know Him, and are not fearful of what may come, nor do they preach fear.
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Heed what you want then, because confusing my coverage of the matter per Scripture with it being of me is still not an excuse to deny those Scriptures I merely declare from our Lord Jesus and His Apostles. And ideas like His Church won't be here for the tribulation is... denial of those Scriptures as written.
Let it be known we all use the same scriptures from our Lord Jesus Christ, yet come to different conclusions, neither one of which is a denial of anything, but is an interpretation of what the prophetic scriptures are saying. What one chooses to believe about end things does not affect one's salvation, one's standing with God, or one's walk with Him.
To declare one's spiritual walk and final destination is affected by the particular understanding of eschatological passages is revealing that perhaps way too much time and importance is being placed on end times matters. We ought to be balanced in all things, and that includes the whole counsel of God, His word.
No, that's not correct, since our Lord Jesus gave specific statements that the great tribulation is prior to His return and our gathering, all per the Matt.24:29-31 Scripture.
One can... indeed interpret it however they personally 'desire', but that does not mean any old interpretation will align with the Scripture as written. The KJV English follows the Greek accurately too. And the Matt.24:29-31 verses also align with other Scripture about the order of Christ's second coming. Someone who refuses to heed that as written would be showing they never passed grammar in grade school. That's how silly one appears that denies it as written.
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Shalom, Phillip.
Genesis 41:25-40
25 And Joseph said unto Pharaoh, The dream of Pharaoh is one: God hath shewed Pharaoh what he is about to do.
26 The seven good kine are seven years; and the seven good ears are seven years: the dream is one.
27 And the seven thin and ill favoured kine that came up after them are seven years; and the seven empty ears blasted with the east wind shall be seven years of famine.
28 This is the thing which I have spoken unto Pharaoh: What God is about to do he sheweth unto Pharaoh.
29 Behold, there come seven years of great plenty throughout all the land of Egypt:
30 And there shall arise after them seven years of famine; and all the plenty shall be forgotten in the land of Egypt; and the famine shall consume the land;
31 And the plenty shall not be known in the land by reason of that famine following; for it shall be very grievous.
32 And for that the dream was doubled unto Pharaoh twice; it is because the thing is established by God, and God will shortly bring it to pass.
33 Now therefore let Pharaoh look out a man discreet and wise, and set him over the land of Egypt.
34 Let Pharaoh do this, and let him appoint officers over the land, and take up the fifth part of the land of Egypt in the seven plenteous years.
35 And let them gather all the food of those good years that come, and lay up corn under the hand of Pharaoh, and let them keep food in the cities.
36 And that food shall be for store to the land against the seven years of famine, which shall be in the land of Egypt; that the land perish not through the famine.
37 And the thing was good in the eyes of Pharaoh, and in the eyes of all his servants.
38 And Pharaoh said unto his servants, Can we find such a one as this is, a man in whom the Spirit of God is?
39 And Pharaoh said unto Joseph, Forasmuch as God hath shewed thee all this, there is none so discreet and wise as thou art:
40 Thou shalt be over my house, and according unto thy word shall all my people be ruled: only in the throne will I be greater than thou.
KJV
Exodus 31:1-5
1 And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying,
2 See, I have called by name Bezaleel the son of Uri, the son of Hur, of the tribe of Judah:
3 And I have filled him with the spirit of God, in wisdom, and in understanding, and in knowledge, and in all manner of workmanship,
4 To devise cunning works, to work in gold, and in silver, and in brass,
5 And in cutting of stones, to set them, and in carving of timber, to work in all manner of workmanship.
KJV
Exodus 35:30-33
30 And Moses said unto the children of Israel, See, the Lord hath called by name Bezaleel the son of Uri, the son of Hur, of the tribe of Judah;
31 And he hath filled him with the spirit of God, in wisdom, in understanding, and in knowledge, and in all manner of workmanship;
32 And to devise curious works, to work in gold, and in silver, and in brass,
33 And in the cutting of stones, to set them, and in carving of wood, to make any manner of cunning work.
KJV
Numbers 11:29
29 And Moses said unto him, Enviest thou for my sake? would God that all the Lord's people were prophets, and that the Lord would put his spirit upon them!
KJV
Numbers 24:1-2
1 And when Balaam saw that it pleased the Lord to bless Israel, he went not, as at other times, to seek for enchantments, but he set his face toward the wilderness.
2 And Balaam lifted up his eyes, and he saw Israel abiding in his tents according to their tribes; and the spirit of God came upon him.
KJV
1 Samuel 9:27-10:12
27 And as they were going down to the end of the city, Samuel said to Saul, Bid the servant pass on before us, (and he passed on,) but stand thou still a while, that I may shew thee the word of God.
10:1 Then Samuel took a vial of oil, and poured it upon his head, and kissed him, and said, Is it not because the Lord hath anointed thee to be captain over his inheritance?
2 When thou art departed from me to day, then thou shalt find two men by Rachel's sepulchre in the border of Benjamin at Zelzah; and they will say unto thee, The asses which thou wentest to seek are found: and, lo, thy father hath left the care of the asses, and sorroweth for you, saying, What shall I do for my son?
3 Then shalt thou go on forward from thence, and thou shalt come to the plain of Tabor, and there shall meet thee three men going up to God to Bethel, one carrying three kids, and another carrying three loaves of bread, and another carrying a bottle of wine:
4 And they will salute thee, and give thee two loaves of bread; which thou shalt receive of their hands.
5 After that thou shalt come to the hill of God, where is the garrison of the Philistines: and it shall come to pass, when thou art come thither to the city, that thou shalt meet a company of prophets coming down from the high place with a psaltery, and a tabret, and a pipe, and a harp, before them; and they shall prophesy:
6 And the Spirit of the Lord will come upon thee, and thou shalt prophesy with them, and shalt be turned into another man.
7 And let it be, when these signs are come unto thee, that thou do as occasion serve thee; for God is with thee.
8 And thou shalt go down before me to Gilgal; and, behold, I will come down unto thee, to offer burnt offerings, and to sacrifice sacrifices of peace offerings: seven days shalt thou tarry, till I come to thee, and shew thee what thou shalt do.
9 And it was so, that when he had turned his back to go from Samuel, God gave him another heart: and all those signs came to pass that day.
10 And when they came thither to the hill, behold, a company of prophets met him; and the Spirit of God came upon him, and he prophesied among them.
11 And it came to pass, when all that knew him beforetime saw that, behold, he prophesied among the prophets, then the people said one to another, What is this that is come unto the son of Kish? Is Saul also among the prophets?
12 And one of the same place answered and said, But who is their father? Therefore it became a proverb, Is Saul also among the prophets?
KJV
1 Samuel 11:1-9
1 Then Nahash the Ammonite came up, and encamped against Jabesh-gilead: and all the men of Jabesh said unto Nahash, Make a covenant with us, and we will serve thee.
2 And Nahash the Ammonite answered them, On this condition will I make a covenant with you, that I may thrust out all your right eyes, and lay it for a reproach upon all Israel.
3 And the elders of Jabesh said unto him, Give us seven days' respite, that we may send messengers unto all the coasts of Israel: and then, if there be no man to save us, we will come out to thee.
4 Then came the messengers to Gibeah of Saul, and told the tidings in the ears of the people: and all the people lifted up their voices, and wept.
5 And, behold, Saul came after the herd out of the field; and Saul said, What aileth the people that they weep? And they told him the tidings of the men of Jabesh.
6 And the Spirit of God came upon Saul when he heard those tidings, and his anger was kindled greatly.
7 And he took a yoke of oxen, and hewed them in pieces, and sent them throughout all the coasts of Israel by the hands of messengers, saying, Whosoever cometh not forth after Saul and after Samuel, so shall it be done unto his oxen. And the fear of the Lord fell on the people, and they came out with one consent.
8 And when he numbered them in Bezek, the children of Israel were three hundred thousand, and the men of Judah thirty thousand.
9 And they said unto the messengers that came, Thus shall ye say unto the men of Jabesh-gilead, To morrow, by that time the sun be hot, ye shall have help. And the messengers came and shewed it to the men of Jabesh; and they were glad.
KJV
2 Chronicles 15:1-2
1 And the Spirit of God came upon Azariah the son of Oded:
2 And he went out to meet Asa, and said unto him, Hear ye me, Asa, and all Judah and Benjamin; The Lord is with you, while ye be with him; and if ye seek him, he will be found of you; but if ye forsake him, he will forsake you.
KJV
Job 27:1-4
1 Moreover Job continued his parable, and said,
2 As God liveth, who hath taken away my judgment; and the Almighty, who hath vexed my soul;
3 All the while my breath is in me, and the spirit of God is in my nostrils;
4 My lips shall not speak wickedness, nor my tongue utter deceit.
KJV
Job 33:1-4
1 Wherefore, Job, I pray thee, hear my speeches, and hearken to all my words.
2 Behold, now I have opened my mouth, my tongue hath spoken in my mouth.
3 My words shall be of the uprightness of my heart: and my lips shall utter knowledge clearly.
4 The Spirit of God hath made me, and the breath of the Almighty hath given me life.
KJV
Psalm 51:10-12
10 Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me.
11 Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me.
12 Restore unto me the joy of thy salvation; and uphold me with thy free spirit.
KJV
Isaiah 48:12-16
12 Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last.
13 Mine hand also hath laid the foundation of the earth, and my right hand hath spanned the heavens: when I call unto them, they stand up together.
14 All ye, assemble yourselves, and hear; which among them hath declared these things? The Lord hath loved him: he will do his pleasure on Babylon, and his arm shall be on the Chaldeans.
15 I, even I, have spoken; yea, I have called him: I have brought him, and he shall make his way prosperous.
16 Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord God, and his Spirit, hath sent me.
KJV
Isaiah 61:1-3
1 The Spirit of the Lord God is upon me; because the Lord hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;
2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn;
3 To appoint unto them that mourn in Zion, to give unto them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness; that they might be called trees of righteousness, the planting of the Lord, that he might be glorified.
KJV
Ezekiel 11:23-25
23 And the glory of the Lord went up from the midst of the city, and stood upon the mountain which is on the east side of the city.
24 Afterwards the spirit took me up, and brought me in a vision by the Spirit of God into Chaldea, to them of the captivity. So the vision that I had seen went up from me.
25 Then I spake unto them of the captivity all the things that the Lord had shewed me.
KJV
Oh, and by the way, Yeshua` quoted Isaiah 61:1-2a in Luke 4:18-19 speaking about Himself! Christians do NOT have a monopoly on the Ruach haQodesh (the Holy Spirit)! Not in the past nor in the future!
(Furthermore, 1 John 5:1-3 IS about Yeshua` being the Door!)
And, what's up with this amalgamy hodge-podge?! "He is the Husband to His Glorious New Jerusalem Church wife who has birthed us forth in New Life of Christ by His Holy Spirit." Where'd you get that load of baloney?! You have taken several unrelated subjects from unrelated Scripture passages and stuck them together into one sentence like someone cramming puzzle pieces together that don't fit together! First, the New Jerusalem is NOT the "Church!" The New Jerusalem is a LITERAL CITY that will land upon the New Earth after the New Earth has been re-created! Furthermore, while the New Jerusalem is said to be the bride, the Lamb's wife, the "Church" is NEVER called that, not even in Ephesians 5!
It is YOU who are "the wolf and the liar" here! By not sticking to the Scriptures, your little fantasy, theological world is VERY MISLEADING! We are NEVER instructed to "ask Jesus into our hearts" in Scripture! Show me one place where that is taught, and PLEASE don't resort to that old misrepresentation that butchers Revelation 3:20! That verse is talking about standing at the door of the ekkleesia at Laodicea, not the door of one's heart!
Have you ever read these verses?
2 Tim 2:15-19
15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.
17 And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;
18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.
19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.
KJV
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Philippians 3:8-21
8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,
9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
10 That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;
11 If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.
12 Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus.
13 Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before,
14 I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.
15 Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.
16 Nevertheless, whereto we have already attained, let us walk by the same rule, let us mind the same thing.
17 Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample.
18 (For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ:
19 Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.)
20 For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:
21 Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.
KJV
Jesus Glorified is NOT the "Holy Spirit"; He is the Glorified SON OF GOD, the Second Person of the Godhead, not the Third! How do you explain His baptism?!
Matthew 3:16-17
16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
KJV
Mark 1:9-11
9 And it came to pass in those days, that Jesus came from Nazareth of Galilee, and was baptized of John in Jordan.
10 And straightway coming up out of the water, he saw the heavens opened, and the Spirit like a dove descending upon him:
11 And there came a voice from heaven, saying, Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
KJV
Luke 3:21-22
21 Now when all the people were baptized, it came to pass, that Jesus also being baptized, and praying, the heaven was opened,
22 And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.
KJV
John 1:32-33
32 And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him.
33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.
KJV
It was the Spirit who drove Yeshua` into the wilderness!
Matthew 4:1
4 Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.
KJV
Mark 1:12
12 And immediately the Spirit driveth him into the wilderness.
KJV
Luke 4:1-2
4 And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness,
2 Being forty days tempted of the devil. And in those days he did eat nothing: and when they were ended, he afterward hungered.
KJV
Don't try to tell me that there's no difference between the Two! As pointed out before, He SAID the Holy Spirit was "ANOTHER Comforter!"
And, regarding John 7:38-39, I have two things to say: First, I challenge you to find the Scripture passage that says, "out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water!"
Second, when the Scripture says, "But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified," you have made an error in thinking there is a LINK OF PERSONS between the glorification of Yeshua` and the Holy Ghost being given! Just because the two events were linked by timing and purpose, it doesn't mean that they are the same Person who comes in two different ways! In formal logic, that is called a fallacy by "non sequitur." It doesn't necessarily follow that the disappearance of the one Person leading to the appearance of the other Person means that they are the same Person! It's more like a tag team in wrestling, two Persons who merely "tag off" and take their turns at different times!
Chiliasm has been a foundational belief since the first century.
Oh! So now you're the expert on who is to be destroyed, are you?! I have not wrested or twisted any Scriptures. Is "Christ Jesus resurrected" the only "Holy Spirit" you know because you never read the Tanakh (the OT)? Or, are you just that forgetful?! Have you never read or have you forgotten the following verses of Scripture?
Genesis 41:25-40
25 And Joseph said unto Pharaoh, The dream of Pharaoh is one: God hath shewed Pharaoh what he is about to do.
26 The seven good kine are seven years; and the seven good ears are seven years: the dream is one.
27 And the seven thin and ill favoured kine that came up after them are seven years; and the seven empty ears blasted with the east wind shall be seven years of famine.
28 This is the thing which I have spoken unto Pharaoh: What God is about to do he sheweth unto Pharaoh.
29 Behold, there come seven years of great plenty throughout all the land of Egypt:
30 And there shall arise after them seven years of famine; and all the plenty shall be forgotten in the land of Egypt; and the famine shall consume the land;
31 And the plenty shall not be known in the land by reason of that famine following; for it shall be very grievous.
32 And for that the dream was doubled unto Pharaoh twice; it is because the thing is established by God, and God will shortly bring it to pass.
33 Now therefore let Pharaoh look out a man discreet and wise, and set him over the land of Egypt.
34 Let Pharaoh do this, and let him appoint officers over the land, and take up the fifth part of the land of Egypt in the seven plenteous years.
35 And let them gather all the food of those good years that come, and lay up corn under the hand of Pharaoh, and let them keep food in the cities.
36 And that food shall be for store to the land against the seven years of famine, which shall be in the land of Egypt; that the land perish not through the famine.
37 And the thing was good in the eyes of Pharaoh, and in the eyes of all his servants.
38 And Pharaoh said unto his servants, Can we find such a one as this is, a man in whom the Spirit of God is?
39 And Pharaoh said unto Joseph, Forasmuch as God hath shewed thee all this, there is none so discreet and wise as thou art:
40 Thou shalt be over my house, and according unto thy word shall all my people be ruled: only in the throne will I be greater than thou.
KJV
Exodus 31:1-5
1 And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying,
2 See, I have called by name Bezaleel the son of Uri, the son of Hur, of the tribe of Judah:
3 And I have filled him with the spirit of God, in wisdom, and in understanding, and in knowledge, and in all manner of workmanship,
4 To devise cunning works, to work in gold, and in silver, and in brass,
5 And in cutting of stones, to set them, and in carving of timber, to work in all manner of workmanship.
KJV
Exodus 35:30-33
30 And Moses said unto the children of Israel, See, the Lord hath called by name Bezaleel the son of Uri, the son of Hur, of the tribe of Judah;
31 And he hath filled him with the spirit of God, in wisdom, in understanding, and in knowledge, and in all manner of workmanship;
32 And to devise curious works, to work in gold, and in silver, and in brass,
33 And in the cutting of stones, to set them, and in carving of wood, to make any manner of cunning work.
KJV
Numbers 11:29
29 And Moses said unto him, Enviest thou for my sake? would God that all the Lord's people were prophets, and that the Lord would put his spirit upon them!
KJV
Numbers 24:1-2
1 And when Balaam saw that it pleased the Lord to bless Israel, he went not, as at other times, to seek for enchantments, but he set his face toward the wilderness.
2 And Balaam lifted up his eyes, and he saw Israel abiding in his tents according to their tribes; and the spirit of God came upon him.
KJV
1 Samuel 9:27-10:12
27 And as they were going down to the end of the city, Samuel said to Saul, Bid the servant pass on before us, (and he passed on,) but stand thou still a while, that I may shew thee the word of God.
10:1 Then Samuel took a vial of oil, and poured it upon his head, and kissed him, and said, Is it not because the Lord hath anointed thee to be captain over his inheritance?
2 When thou art departed from me to day, then thou shalt find two men by Rachel's sepulchre in the border of Benjamin at Zelzah; and they will say unto thee, The asses which thou wentest to seek are found: and, lo, thy father hath left the care of the asses, and sorroweth for you, saying, What shall I do for my son?
3 Then shalt thou go on forward from thence, and thou shalt come to the plain of Tabor, and there shall meet thee three men going up to God to Bethel, one carrying three kids, and another carrying three loaves of bread, and another carrying a bottle of wine:
4 And they will salute thee, and give thee two loaves of bread; which thou shalt receive of their hands.
5 After that thou shalt come to the hill of God, where is the garrison of the Philistines: and it shall come to pass, when thou art come thither to the city, that thou shalt meet a company of prophets coming down from the high place with a psaltery, and a tabret, and a pipe, and a harp, before them; and they shall prophesy:
6 And the Spirit of the Lord will come upon thee, and thou shalt prophesy with them, and shalt be turned into another man.
7 And let it be, when these signs are come unto thee, that thou do as occasion serve thee; for God is with thee.
8 And thou shalt go down before me to Gilgal; and, behold, I will come down unto thee, to offer burnt offerings, and to sacrifice sacrifices of peace offerings: seven days shalt thou tarry, till I come to thee, and shew thee what thou shalt do.
9 And it was so, that when he had turned his back to go from Samuel, God gave him another heart: and all those signs came to pass that day.
10 And when they came thither to the hill, behold, a company of prophets met him; and the Spirit of God came upon him, and he prophesied among them.
11 And it came to pass, when all that knew him beforetime saw that, behold, he prophesied among the prophets, then the people said one to another, What is this that is come unto the son of Kish? Is Saul also among the prophets?
12 And one of the same place answered and said, But who is their father? Therefore it became a proverb, Is Saul also among the prophets?
KJV
1 Samuel 11:1-9
1 Then Nahash the Ammonite came up, and encamped against Jabesh-gilead: and all the men of Jabesh said unto Nahash, Make a covenant with us, and we will serve thee.
2 And Nahash the Ammonite answered them, On this condition will I make a covenant with you, that I may thrust out all your right eyes, and lay it for a reproach upon all Israel.
3 And the elders of Jabesh said unto him, Give us seven days' respite, that we may send messengers unto all the coasts of Israel: and then, if there be no man to save us, we will come out to thee.
4 Then came the messengers to Gibeah of Saul, and told the tidings in the ears of the people: and all the people lifted up their voices, and wept.
5 And, behold, Saul came after the herd out of the field; and Saul said, What aileth the people that they weep? And they told him the tidings of the men of Jabesh.
6 And the Spirit of God came upon Saul when he heard those tidings, and his anger was kindled greatly.
7 And he took a yoke of oxen, and hewed them in pieces, and sent them throughout all the coasts of Israel by the hands of messengers, saying, Whosoever cometh not forth after Saul and after Samuel, so shall it be done unto his oxen. And the fear of the Lord fell on the people, and they came out with one consent.
8 And when he numbered them in Bezek, the children of Israel were three hundred thousand, and the men of Judah thirty thousand.
9 And they said unto the messengers that came, Thus shall ye say unto the men of Jabesh-gilead, To morrow, by that time the sun be hot, ye shall have help. And the messengers came and shewed it to the men of Jabesh; and they were glad.
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2 Chronicles 15:1-2
1 And the Spirit of God came upon Azariah the son of Oded:
2 And he went out to meet Asa, and said unto him, Hear ye me, Asa, and all Judah and Benjamin; The Lord is with you, while ye be with him; and if ye seek him, he will be found of you; but if ye forsake him, he will forsake you.
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Job 27:1-4
1 Moreover Job continued his parable, and said,
2 As God liveth, who hath taken away my judgment; and the Almighty, who hath vexed my soul;
3 All the while my breath is in me, and the spirit of God is in my nostrils;
4 My lips shall not speak wickedness, nor my tongue utter deceit.
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Job 33:1-4
1 Wherefore, Job, I pray thee, hear my speeches, and hearken to all my words.
2 Behold, now I have opened my mouth, my tongue hath spoken in my mouth.
3 My words shall be of the uprightness of my heart: and my lips shall utter knowledge clearly.
4 The Spirit of God hath made me, and the breath of the Almighty hath given me life.
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Psalm 51:10-12
10 Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me.
11 Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me.
12 Restore unto me the joy of thy salvation; and uphold me with thy free spirit.
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Isaiah 48:12-16
12 Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last.
13 Mine hand also hath laid the foundation of the earth, and my right hand hath spanned the heavens: when I call unto them, they stand up together.
14 All ye, assemble yourselves, and hear; which among them hath declared these things? The Lord hath loved him: he will do his pleasure on Babylon, and his arm shall be on the Chaldeans.
15 I, even I, have spoken; yea, I have called him: I have brought him, and he shall make his way prosperous.
16 Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord God, and his Spirit, hath sent me.
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Isaiah 61:1-3
1 The Spirit of the Lord God is upon me; because the Lord hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;
2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn;
3 To appoint unto them that mourn in Zion, to give unto them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness; that they might be called trees of righteousness, the planting of the Lord, that he might be glorified.
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Ezekiel 11:23-25
23 And the glory of the Lord went up from the midst of the city, and stood upon the mountain which is on the east side of the city.
24 Afterwards the spirit took me up, and brought me in a vision by the Spirit of God into Chaldea, to them of the captivity. So the vision that I had seen went up from me.
25 Then I spake unto them of the captivity all the things that the Lord had shewed me.
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Oh, and by the way, Yeshua` quoted Isaiah 61:1-2a in Luke 4:18-19 speaking about Himself! Christians do NOT have a monopoly on the Ruach haQodesh (the Holy Spirit)! Not in the past nor in the future!
(Furthermore, 1 John 5:1-3 IS about Yeshua` being the Door!)
And, what's up with this amalgamy hodge-podge?! "He is the Husband to His Glorious New Jerusalem Church wife who has birthed us forth in New Life of Christ by His Holy Spirit." Where'd you get that load of baloney?! You have taken several unrelated subjects from unrelated Scripture passages and stuck them together into one sentence like someone cramming puzzle pieces together that don't fit together! First, the New Jerusalem is NOT the "Church!" The New Jerusalem is a LITERAL CITY that will land upon the New Earth after the New Earth has been re-created! Furthermore, while the New Jerusalem is said to be the bride, the Lamb's wife, the "Church" is NEVER called that, not even in Ephesians 5!
It is YOU who are "the wolf and the liar" here! By not sticking to the Scriptures, your little fantasy, theological world is VERY MISLEADING! We are NEVER instructed to "ask Jesus into our hearts" in Scripture! Show me one place where that is taught, and PLEASE don't resort to that old misrepresentation that butchers Revelation 3:20! That verse is talking about standing at the door of the ekkleesia at Laodicea, not the door of one's heart!
Have you ever read these verses?
2 Tim 2:15-19
15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.
17 And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;
18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.
19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.
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Philippians 3:8-21
8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,
9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
10 That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;
11 If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.
12 Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus.
13 Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before,
14 I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.
15 Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.
16 Nevertheless, whereto we have already attained, let us walk by the same rule, let us mind the same thing.
17 Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample.
18 (For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ:
19 Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.)
20 For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:
21 Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.
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Jesus Glorified is NOT the "Holy Spirit"; He is the Glorified SON OF GOD, the Second Person of the Godhead, not the Third! How do you explain His baptism?!
Matthew 3:16-17
16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
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Mark 1:9-11
9 And it came to pass in those days, that Jesus came from Nazareth of Galilee, and was baptized of John in Jordan.
10 And straightway coming up out of the water, he saw the heavens opened, and the Spirit like a dove descending upon him:
11 And there came a voice from heaven, saying, Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
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Luke 3:21-22
21 Now when all the people were baptized, it came to pass, that Jesus also being baptized, and praying, the heaven was opened,
22 And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.
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John 1:32-33
32 And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him.
33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.
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It was the Spirit who drove Yeshua` into the wilderness!
Matthew 4:1
4 Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.
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Mark 1:12
12 And immediately the Spirit driveth him into the wilderness.
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Luke 4:1-2
4 And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness,
2 Being forty days tempted of the devil. And in those days he did eat nothing: and when they were ended, he afterward hungered.
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Don't try to tell me that there's no difference between the Two! As pointed out before, He SAID the Holy Spirit was "ANOTHER Comforter!"
And, regarding John 7:38-39, I have two things to say: First, I challenge you to find the Scripture passage that says, "out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water!"
Second, when the Scripture says, "But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified," you have made an error in thinking there is a LINK OF PERSONS between the glorification of Yeshua` and the Holy Ghost being given! Just because the two events were linked by timing and purpose, it doesn't mean that they are the same Person who comes in two different ways! In formal logic, that is called a fallacy by "non sequitur." It doesn't necessarily follow that the disappearance of the one Person leading to the appearance of the other Person means that they are the same Person! It's more like a tag team in wrestling, two Persons who merely "tag off" and take their turns at different times!
Chiliasm has been a foundational belief since the first century.
The Church is gathered and caught away as a Bride to her wedding before the Tribulation ends. We are promised that we will not undergo the disasters and trouble that God will be pouring out on the planet's inhabitants.
Personal interpretation is not appropriate, although many have imperfect understanding, but to be so dogmatic about one's understanding really undermines what one has to say, and causes one to question the source of that very understanding. In fact, the bullying that is seen on many Christian forums about this topic reveals hearts that are not tempered with love, and so, generally, it's a big turn-off toward healthy, respectful discussion. I have God-honouring discussions about this with people face-to-face and no one gets rude or boorish...we allow the Holy Spirit to temper us. Can you do that?
If you have to resort to insults and arrogance, then who are you serving? One has to ask where does your interpretation come from, really?
That's not what my Lord Jesus Christ said in the Matthew 24:29-31 Scripture. He stated for after the tribulation is when His coming and our gathering is.
You're trying to add... your OWN interpretation into the Scripture when it does not belong, for Christ said that after the tribulation of those days then will be the sign of His coming, and then He will send His angels to gather His elect. So you're going directly OPPOSITE of what Jesus Christ Himself said there in Matt.24:29-31.
False accusations won't get you out of that falseness of your trying to make the Matt.24:29-31 Scripture say something it doesn't.
My Lord Jesus says that the Church will not suffer the wrath of those days. The Church will be taken before the heavy days of the Tribulation begin. Who is being gathered at His coming is not the Church, but God's elect---believing Israel (and I am sure there will be some Gentiles among them).
Perhaps some study concerning who and what the Tribulation is for, and the elect are a that time is in order for you. There is no mention of the Church in Revelation after the letters---nothing. the only mention of people int he world uses the terms, 'the world', 'the inhabitants of the earth' etc, and every one of them refuse repentance. Only the wicked are suffering, as only the wicked remain as the sole recipients of the wrath of God on the world/
False is as false does, veteran. Study some more.
Where in the Bible does it specifically state that the church will be raptured prior to the tribulation?
Where in the bible does it say that the Church will go through the Great Tribulation?
The word of God clearly states that believers will escape the tribulation bloodbath.
1 Thessalonians 5:9 (NLT)
[sup]9[/sup] For God chose to save us through our Lord Jesus Christ, not to pour out his anger on us.
Revelation 3:10 (NLT)
[sup]10[/sup] “Because you have obeyed my command to persevere, I will protect you from the great time of testing that will come upon the whole world to test those who belong to this world.
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The word of God clearly states that believers will escape the tribulation bloodbath.
1 Thessalonians 5:9 (NLT)
[sup]9[/sup] For God chose to save us through our Lord Jesus Christ, not to pour out his anger on us.
Revelation 3:10 (NLT)
[sup]10[/sup] “Because you have obeyed my command to persevere, I will protect you from the great time of testing that will come upon the whole world to test those who belong to this world.
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I will pray for you, and for our Heavenly Father and His Son to open your eyes to His Truth. The rest is up to you.
It is so typical for one who is stymied to resort to personally addressing the one he disagrees with in a condescending manner.
God has already opened my eyes to the truth. I am grateful to Him for it, and I thank Him for His favour every day.
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