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Hi everyone,

This is just a topic which I have been studying, and I wanted to see what others thought.


Yes, I have formed a conclusion. My conclusion is that premartial sex is not a sin simply for the reason that it doesn't exist. Premartial sex isn't mentioned in the Bible. Sex cannot be before marriage as sex is what makes a man and woman married. Those are my thoughts in a nutshell. oh, yes, this thinking is based on Scripture. I'll post a more in-depth conclusion later.

A definition of premarital sex (not to be confused with extramartial sex, that is a sin): Premarital sex is sexual intercourse engaged in by persons who are unmarried.

 

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[font="arial][size="2"]Hi everyone,

This is just a topic which I have been studying, and I wanted to see what others thought. [/size][/font]

Yes, I have formed a conclusion. My conclusion is that premartial sex is not a sin simply for the reason that it doesn't exist. Premartial sex isn't mentioned in the Bible. Sex cannot be before marriage as sex is what makes a man and woman married. Those are my thoughts in a nutshell. oh, yes, this thinking is based on Scripture. I'll post a more in-depth conclusion later.

A definition of premarital sex (not to be confused with extramartial sex, that is a sin): Premarital sex is sexual intercourse engaged in by persons who are unmarried.

So how is it possible to commit fornication?

premarital sex is a sin.......sorry.
 

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So how is it possible to commit fornication?

premarital sex is a sin.......sorry.

The hebrew word for fornication means harlotry (including adultery and incest). Fornication is referring to someone who has sex with someone other than his partner, incest (sex with close relatives), and prostitution. According to the Bible, once you have sex with someone, you become a husband and wife, whether you like it or not. My reasoning for this comes from 1Co 6:16 What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh. The Scripture states that if you have sex with a prostitute, you become one body. In other words, you are married in the eyes of God. Therefore, it is not possible to have sex and not be married. Once you have sex, you are married to that person in the eyes of God. It doesn't matter if you go ahead and have a wedding afterwards or go and sleep with someone else. All it is really, is just an incorrect term. Generally, when people use this term, they refer to people who don't get married (ceremonially) and just sleep around with whoever they want.
P.S. I'm not trying to justify sleeping around. I'm merely opening up for discussion about this term, as I believe that it is mis-used.
 

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The hebrew word for fornication means harlotry (including adultery and incest). Fornication is referring to someone who has sex with someone other than his partner, incest (sex with close relatives), and prostitution. According to the Bible, once you have sex with someone, you become a husband and wife, whether you like it or not. My reasoning for this comes from 1Co 6:16 What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh. The Scripture states that if you have sex with a prostitute, you become one body. In other words, you are married in the eyes of God. Therefore, it is not possible to have sex and not be married. Once you have sex, you are married to that person in the eyes of God. It doesn't matter if you go ahead and have a wedding afterwards or go and sleep with someone else. All it is really, is just an incorrect term. Generally, when people use this term, they refer to people who don't get married (ceremonially) and just sleep around with whoever they want.
P.S. I'm not trying to justify sleeping around. I'm merely opening up for discussion about this term, as I believe that it is mis-used.

Okay, I understand what you are saying. I agree with you.
 

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hehe. Not a big deal really and doesn't actually change anything. Just a misused term. All good. i just wanted to see what others thought.
Thanks for your input.

I think it is interesting and I am glad you shared it - I learned something new.
 

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Hi Groundzero!

Hi everyone,

This is just a topic which I have been studying, and I wanted to see what others thought.

Yes, I have formed a conclusion. My conclusion is that premartial sex is not a sin simply for the reason that it doesn't exist. Premartial sex isn't mentioned in the Bible. Sex cannot be before marriage as sex is what makes a man and woman married. Those are my thoughts in a nutshell. oh, yes, this thinking is based on Scripture. I'll post a more in-depth conclusion later.
A definition of premarital sex (not to be confused with extramartial sex, that is a sin): Premarital sex is sexual intercourse engaged in by persons who are unmarried.

Ahhh... this is true ... :) but have you ever considered 2 Peter 2:19?

I used to think that once...until I realized that God would not make a law that prohibits one group of believers over another.

Oops! Sorry..I did not read the other posts until now...^_^

Blessings!!!
 

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Hi Groundzero!



Ahhh... this is true ... :) but have you ever considered 2 Peter 2:19?
I used to think that once...until I realized that God would not make a law that prohibits one group of believers over another.

and what of fornication in the bible?

Definition of fornication
Sexual intercourse between partners who are not married to each other.Word History: The word fornication had a lowly beginning suitable to what has long been the low moral status of the act to which it refers. The Latin word fornix, from which fornicti, the ancestor of fornication, is derived, meant "a vault, an arch." The term also referred to a vaulted cellar or similar place where prostitutes plied their trade. This sense of fornix in Late Latin yielded the verb fornicr, "to commit fornication," from which is derived fornicti, "whoredom, fornication." Our word is first recorded in Middle English about 1303.


1. voluntary sexual intercourse outside marriage 2. (Law) Law voluntary sexual intercourse between two persons of the opposite sex, where one is or both are unmarried
3. (Christian Religious Writings / Bible) Bible sexual immorality in general, esp adultery

http://www.thefreedi...com/fornication


Matthew 15:18-20
18 But those things which proceed out of the mouth come from the heart, and they defile a man. 19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies. 20 These are the things which defile a man, but to eat with unwashed hands does not defile a man.”

Mark 7:20-22
20 And He said, “What comes out of a man, that defiles a man. 21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, 22 thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lewdness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness.



Galatians 5
19 Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, 21 envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.


As you can see by these few verses ...fornication and adultery are clearly two different things...


Blessings!!!


If you go to the Strongs and look up fornication, you will find that it includes adultery, incest and prostitution. As I've previously posted, premartial sex is a misunderstood phrase. I'm not justifying anything. I'm merely pointing out that premartial sex can't be because in the eyes of God, once someone has sex, they are married. To see where I sourced that, see my previous posts. Premartial sex is 'sex before marriage' This term is incorrect if we look at it from God's view.

 

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The above post had been edited... prior to you posting the original...I understand what you are saying. People who have practiced sexual union are married in Gods eyes. It's interesting that you have pointed this out as the Holy Spirit is reminding me of this verse...even as I write...

John 4
[sup]15[/sup] The woman said to Him, “Sir, give me this water, that I may not thirst, nor come here to draw.”
[sup]16[/sup] Jesus said to her, “Go, call your husband, and come here.”
[sup]17[/sup] The woman answered and said, “I have no husband.
Jesus said to her, “You have well said, ‘I have no husband,’ [sup]18[/sup] for you have had five husbands, and the one whom you now have is not your husband; in that you spoke truly.”
[sup]19[/sup] The woman said to Him, “Sir, I perceive that You are a prophet. [sup]20[/sup] Our fathers worshiped on this mountain, and you Jews say that in Jerusalem is the place where one ought to worship.”


Blessings!!!
 

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The above post had been edited... prior to you posting the original...I understand what you are saying. People who have practiced sexual union are married in Gods eyes. It's interesting that you have pointed this out as the Holy Spirit is reminding me of this verse...even as I write...

John 4
[sup]15[/sup] The woman said to Him, “Sir, give me this water, that I may not thirst, nor come here to draw.”
[sup]16[/sup] Jesus said to her, “Go, call your husband, and come here.”
[sup]17[/sup] The woman answered and said, “I have no husband.
Jesus said to her, “You have well said, ‘I have no husband,’ [sup]18[/sup] for you have had five husbands, and the one whom you now have is not your husband; in that you spoke truly.”
[sup]19[/sup] The woman said to Him, “Sir, I perceive that You are a prophet. [sup]20[/sup] Our fathers worshiped on this mountain, and you Jews say that in Jerusalem is the place where one ought to worship.”


Blessings!!!

I thought that might be the case!
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I didn't have time when I first started the topic to write down an explanation.
 

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Hi everyone,

This is just a topic which I have been studying, and I wanted to see what others thought.


Yes, I have formed a conclusion. My conclusion is that premartial sex is not a sin simply for the reason that it doesn't exist. Premartial sex isn't mentioned in the Bible. Sex cannot be before marriage as sex is what makes a man and woman married. Those are my thoughts in a nutshell. oh, yes, this thinking is based on Scripture. I'll post a more in-depth conclusion later.

A definition of premarital sex (not to be confused with extramartial sex, that is a sin): Premarital sex is sexual intercourse engaged in by persons who are unmarried.


The word fornication comes from the Greek word por·nei´a and from which the English word pornography arrives. The Hebrew verb za·nah´ and its related forms convey the idea of harlotry, immoral intercourse, fornication, or prostitution. (Gen 38:24; Ex 34:16; Hosea 1:2; Lev 19:29) Regarding the meanings of por·nei´a, B. F. Westcott in his book Saint Paul’s Epistle to the Ephesians (1906, p. 76) says: “This is a general term for all unlawful intercourse, (I) adultery: Hos. ii. 2, 4 (LXX.); Matt. v. 32; xix. 9; (2) unlawful marriage, I Cor. v. I; (3) fornication, the common sense as here [Eph 5:3].”

Bauer’s Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament (revised by F. W. Gingrich and F. Danker, 1979, p. 693) defines por·nei´a as “prostitution, unchastity, fornication, of every kind of unlawful sexual intercourse.” Porneia is understood to involve the grossly immoral use of the genital organ(s) of at least one human; also there must have been two or more parties (including another consenting human or a beast), whether of the same sex or the opposite sex. (Jude 7) Therefore, fornication is illicit sex relations outside of Scriptural marriage.

At Genesis 38:24, Tamar cunningly deceives Judah (some years after the birth of Joseph in 1767 B.C.E.), her father-in-law, to have relations with her, with it being said that "about three months later it happened that it was told to Judah: “Ta´mar your daughter-in-law has played the harlot (Hebrew za·nah´), and here she is also pregnant by her harlotry (Hebrew zanuwn, derived from za·nah´).” The Mosaic Law had not yet arrived (in the year 1513 B.C.E.), so the now unlawful act of Tamar was not a sin by law.

Yet, several hundred years earlier (around 1918 B.C.E.), after Abimelech, king of Gerar, had taken Abraham's wife Sarah as his, to add to his wives, God told Abimelech in a dream, following Abimelech's expression of innocence: "I too have known that in the honesty of your heart you have done this, and I was also holding you back from sinning against me. That is why I did not allow you to touch her (sexually)."(Gen 20:6) Hence, long before the Mosaic Law, God established a moral boundary with regard to sex, that only between a husband and wife.

God placed upon the nation of Israel a law of commandments in 1513 B.C.E., consisting of over 600 laws. It stated of the inhabitants of the land of Canaan and their gods: "Watch yourself that you do not conclude a covenant with the inhabitants of the land to which you are going, for fear it may prove itself a snare in your midst.....Then you will have to take some of their daughters for your sons, and their daughters will be certain to have immoral intercourse (Literally, “and [their daughters] will fornicate.” Hebrew, weza·nu´; Greek, kai ek·por·neu´so·sin; Latin, fu´e·rint for·ni·ca´tae ) with their gods and make your sons have immoral intercourse with their gods."(Ex 34:12, 16)

During the eighth century B.C.E., Hosea wrote: "There was a start of the word of Jehovah by Ho·se´a, and Jehovah proceeded to say to Ho·se´a: “Go, take to yourself a wife of fornication and children of fornication, because by fornication the land positively turns from following Jehovah.”(Hos 1:2) Thus, Hosea's wife Gomer had committed "fornication" with other men and had several children as a result, "children of fornication". She violated the moral boundaries that God established in the "beginning", that of one husband with his one wife in a sexual union.(Gen 2:24; Matt 19:4-6)

The apostle Paul wrote to the Thessalonians: "For this is what God wills, the sanctifying of you, that you abstain from fornication; that each one of you should know how to get possession of his own vessel in sanctification and honor, not in covetous sexual appetite such as also those nations have which do not know God."(1 Thess 4:3-5) Paul now says: "So, then, the man that shows disregard is disregarding, not man, but God, who puts his holy spirit in you."(1 Thess 4:8) Any who transgress God's moral requirements is "disregarding, not man, but God".

The "world" has no moral boundaries; "the sky is the limit", whatever satisfies their "sexual appetite." Paul however, puts it succinctly: "What! Do you not know that unrighteous persons will not inherit God’s kingdom? Do not be misled. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men kept for unnatural purposes, nor men who lie with men, nor thieves, nor greedy persons, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit God’s kingdom."(1 Cor 6:9, 10)

Any who cross the moral boundaries without genuine remorse, failing to change their conduct in harmony with God's moral requirements, is barred from "God's kingdom" or the hope of living forever, either in heaven or on earth.(Rev 5:9, 10; Matt 5:5) These are called "unrighteous persons". Thence, any sexual relations outside the boundaries of Scriptural marriage is fornication and prohibits life without end to any who disregard God's laws on morality that he established in the Garden of Eden.

Revelation 21:8 says that "as for the cowards and those without faith and those who are disgusting in their filth and murderers and fornicators and those practicing spiritism and idolaters and all the liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulphur. This means the second death.” Thus, premarital sex, extramarital sex or any illicit sexual relations outside Scriptural marriage is condemned by God and can result in a person's everlasting destruction.
 

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[font="arial][size="2"]Hi everyone,

This is just a topic which I have been studying, and I wanted to see what others thought. [/size][/font]

Yes, I have formed a conclusion. My conclusion is that premartial sex is not a sin simply for the reason that it doesn't exist. Premartial sex isn't mentioned in the Bible. Sex cannot be before marriage as sex is what makes a man and woman married. Those are my thoughts in a nutshell. oh, yes, this thinking is based on Scripture. I'll post a more in-depth conclusion later.

A definition of premarital sex (not to be confused with extramartial sex, that is a sin): Premarital sex is sexual intercourse engaged in by persons who are unmarried.

Alright. I have now changed my conclusion.
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. Marriage is a commitment between a man and woman. Sex is what makes them one flesh, but is part of marriage. Therefore, to have sex before marriage is wrong, as sex is a part of marriage. My reasoning was a little warped. If two people have sex together without getting married, it is sin.
 

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The question of pre-marital sex an important one for Christians, as well.

I have visited with people from a number of Bible Colleges. I will mention one specifically. Northwest Bible College in Minot, ND.

Many of the students who live there in single-sex dorms are away from home and out from under their parent's thumbs for the first time.

The women at that school have a not so urban legend practice called "Ring by Spring."

Men and women left their small churches in their small town and moved into what some call a "target rich environment" as far as dating goes.

Many, many men and women end up dating for the very first time and a large number of them end up getting engaged by the end of their first year of school.
Hence, "Ring by Spring"

The problem spoken about in these small groups at school is that a large number of couples, since they know who their 'partner for life' is going to be, feel it is alright NOT to wait until the wedding night to have sex.

They feel that since they have committed and the date is set in stone, there is no reason to wait to have sex.

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When I was younger I dated a girl from Oral Roberts University in Tulsa, OK who believed somewhat of the same thing. She had been in love before and I was her next "true love."

She felt similar to how those at Northwest felt, but she took it a step further. She was very Clintonesque in her feeling that oral sex wasn't really sex, but that it still wasn't looked positively on by God outside of marraige.

She felt that was okay though because she loved the guy, planned to marry him and - technically - she would still be a virgin on her wedding night.

I was new to Christianity and had more hormones than brain cells so I gladly went along with it.

After a couple of years of maturing in God one realizes how naive they were and how gracious God was not to allow you to be destroyed by it.

And please spare me the jokes about the college name vs. the subject matter.
 

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It is seemingly apparent that many young people, though considering themselves "Christian" and even going to a Bible College, have not understood what the word "fornication" means, nor "loose conduct." The failure of the churches to teach the Bible's meaning of fornication has caused many to commit a wrong, such as oral or anal sex, thinking that it is not sex. However, the word fornication, that comes from the Greek word porneia and from which arises the English word "pornography", involves more than just what many dictionaries define as "law: consenting sex involving somebody unmarried: sexual intercourse between two consenting adults, who are not married to each other."(Microsoft® Encarta® Reference Library 2005)

Fornication involves the wrong use of the sex organs in either a natural or a perverted way with lewd intent. It includes all forms of illicit sexual relations outside of Scriptural marriage. So it includes oral sex, despite the fact that many teenagers ( or even older ones) around the world have been told or have come to the conclusion that oral sex is acceptable. True Christians do not guide their thinking and actions by the opinions of “profitless talkers, and deceivers of the mind.” (Titus 1:10) They hold to the higher standard of the Holy Scriptures. Rather than try to make excuses for oral or anal sex, they understand that Scripturally it is fornication, por·nei′a, and they train their conscience accordingly.

At 1 Corinthians 6:18, the apostle Paul wrote to "flee from fornication. Every other sin that a man may commit is outside his body, but he that practices fornication is sinning against his own body." At Ephesians 5:3, he told the Ephesians brothers: "Let fornication and uncleanness of every sort or greediness not even be mentioned among you, just as it befits holy people."

Concerning "loose conduct", whereby it can be more than just two individuals, Leviticus 20:14 says: "And where a man takes a woman and her mother, it is loose conduct ("loose conduct", Hebrew zim·mah´, Latin, co´i·tus in·ce´stus.) They should burn him and them in the fire, in order that loose conduct may not continue in your midst." Proverbs 10:23 says: "To the stupid one the carrying on of loose conduct is like sport, but wisdom is for the man of discernment." The apostle Peter wrote: "For the time that has passed by is sufficient for you to have worked out the will of the nations when you proceeded in deeds of loose conduct."(1 Pet 4:3)

A true Christian discerns what is "chaste" and what is considered as "unclean" in God's eyes. A close examination of the Bible provides what is needed to grasp what is pleasing to God, what is chaste, that can result in living forever on a paradise earth.(Rev 21:3-5, 8)
 

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I think it is interesting that many Christians place such a big emphasis on not having sex for the first time, outside of marriage. I believe the same restriction is in place for people who remarry - I realize that remarriage is a whole other discussion so for the sake of this discussion I am only talking about remarrying after a spouse dies. Often times, people engage in sexual activity before marriage - as if, the fact that they have already had a sexual partner in the past excuses the behavior.
 

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I think it is interesting that many Christians place such a big emphasis on not having sex for the first time, outside of marriage.

-- What is so interesting about focusing on the prevention of sexual compromise before it happens in order to prevent sin, a barrier between the person and the Holy Spirit, STDs, unwanted pregnancy, etc. as well as helping to prevent self-condemnation and the feeling of, "Oh well, since I have already compromised and can never get it back..."


I believe the same restriction is in place for people who remarry

-- Of course it is. No one here is saying any different and I have never met a Christian in the last 30 years who has said anything different.

You seem to be implying that Christians are only gung-ho on speaking out against pre-marital sex for those who have never been sexually active before, but for sexual activity outside of marraige in circumstances other than that they just say, "Meh."

Sounds like a false issue.




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-- What is so interesting about focusing on the prevention of sexual compromise before it happens in order to prevent sin, a barrier between the person and the Holy Spirit, STDs, unwanted pregnancy, etc. as well as helping to prevent self-condemnation and the feeling of, "Oh well, since I have already compromised and can never get it back..."




-- Of course it is. No one here is saying any different and I have never met a Christian in the last 30 years who has said anything different.

You seem to be implying that Christians are only gung-ho on speaking out against pre-marital sex for those who have never been sexually active before, but for sexual activity outside of marraige in circumstances other than that they just say, "Meh."

Sounds like a false issue.

I don't think it is a false issue at all. It happens all the time and people look the other way because it is viewed as a private issue between adults. I believe sex should be between married couples only; I see a double standard in many cases. Also, I think the scare tactics used to teach teens to wait to have sex until marriage, is not helpful and often borders on the ridiculous. Finally, I think building up sex in marriage sets people up for disappointment when they actually get married. Obviously sex is a sacred sharing between a husband and wife, but it is not the fulfillment of every need for the rest of your life - it is an appetite.

Don't ridicule me on this one, Foreigner....I am speaking from personal experience and I am just trying to get some feedback - call off the dogs. Have any of you experienced this, growing up?
 

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I shudder to think where you go to church.
I have never - repeat: NEVER - heard "scare" tactics used by Christians individually or a Church as a whole to get young people to not be sexually active before marraige.
Scare tactics are a failure, regardless of the outcome you are hoping it will bring.

Neither have I EVER heard sex built up as the be all-end all of intimacy once you are married. That too only sets people up for disappointment and the possible feelings that there is something wrong with them. I have never met a Christian who has done this or seen a Church that does this.

The main reasons I HAVE heard are:
1. God requires it. so regardless of how we can justify it to ourselves, we still need to be obedient - if for no other reason than to please God through our obedience.
2. Respect for yourself.
3. Respect for the person you are marrying.
4. To protect yourself - avoiding STDs, unplanned pregnancy, etc. (These are things most already know through warnings via the secular world since before Jr. High.)

The reason you gave - "a sacred sharing between a husband and wife - ties in with reason #1.

And I have never - in 30 years - heard anyone, individually or within a Church - evem IMPLY that it is "the fulfillment of every need for the rest of your life."

Not ridiculing you on anything.

I just have never seen a hypocrisy on how pre-Marital sex and God's stance is presented to virgins compared to those who are older and perhaps even been married before.
I have never seen a nudge-and-wink approach when presenting this topicl to new Christians who have never known God before, whether they are 14 or 64.

You stay, "I am speaking from personal experience on this." So am I. Both me specifically and my 30 years within different churches around the US .

I came to Christ after I was already sexually active. It was never presented as you say it is presented.
And in the classes I have taught or attended, I have never heard obedience sold the way you say it is being sold. Ever.



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I shudder to think where you go to church.
I have never - repeat: NEVER - heard "scare" tactics used by Christians individually or a Church as a whole to get young people to not be sexually active before marraige.
Scare tactics are a failure, regardless of the outcome you are hoping it will bring.

Neither have I EVER heard sex built up as the be all-end all of intimacy once you are married. That too only sets people up for disappointment and the possible feelings that there is something wrong with them. I have never met a Christian who has done this or seen a Church that does this.

The main reasons I HAVE heard are:
1. God requires it. so regardless of how we can justify it to ourselves, we still need to be obedient - if for no other reason than to please God through our obedience.
2. Respect for yourself.
3. Respect for the person you are marrying.
4. To protect yourself - avoiding STDs, unplanned pregnancy, etc. (These are things most already know through warnings via the secular world since before Jr. High.)

The reason you gave - "a sacred sharing between a husband and wife - ties in with reason #1.

And I have never - in 30 years - heard anyone, individually or within a Church - evem IMPLY that it is "the fulfillment of every need for the rest of your life."

Not ridiculing you on anything.

I just have never seen a hypocrisy on how pre-Marital sex and God's stance is presented to virgins compared to those who are older and perhaps even been married before.
I have never seen a nudge-and-wink approach when presenting this topicl to new Christians who have never known God before, whether they are 14 or 64.

You stay, "I am speaking from personal experience on this." So am I. Both me specifically and my 30 years within different churches around the US .

I came to Christ after I was already sexually active. It was never presented as you say it is presented.
And in the classes I have taught or attended, I have never heard obedience sold the way you say it is being sold. Ever.



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I shudder to think where you go to church.
I have never - repeat: NEVER - heard "scare" tactics used by Christians individually or a Church as a whole to get young people to not be sexually active before marraige.
Scare tactics are a failure, regardless of the outcome you are hoping it will bring.

Neither have I EVER heard sex built up as the be all-end all of intimacy once you are married. That too only sets people up for disappointment and the possible feelings that there is something wrong with them. I have never met a Christian who has done this or seen a Church that does this.

The main reasons I HAVE heard are:
1. God requires it. so regardless of how we can justify it to ourselves, we still need to be obedient - if for no other reason than to please God through our obedience.
2. Respect for yourself.
3. Respect for the person you are marrying.
4. To protect yourself - avoiding STDs, unplanned pregnancy, etc. (These are things most already know through warnings via the secular world since before Jr. High.)

The reason you gave - "a sacred sharing between a husband and wife - ties in with reason #1.

And I have never - in 30 years - heard anyone, individually or within a Church - evem IMPLY that it is "the fulfillment of every need for the rest of your life."

Not ridiculing you on anything.

I just have never seen a hypocrisy on how pre-Marital sex and God's stance is presented to virgins compared to those who are older and perhaps even been married before.
I have never seen a nudge-and-wink approach when presenting this topicl to new Christians who have never known God before, whether they are 14 or 64.

You stay, "I am speaking from personal experience on this." So am I. Both me specifically and my 30 years within different churches around the US .

I came to Christ after I was already sexually active. It was never presented as you say it is presented.
And in the classes I have taught or attended, I have never heard obedience sold the way you say it is being sold. Ever.



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Hahaha. I thought someone was referring to me! Because in my email I only can read snippets, I thought, Boy, I never thought that I said someone tried to scare me or such! The truth is, I never had! lol. In case anyone is wondering, I only stumbled upon this topic by accident. There are no scare tactics in my church. I will admit that for a long time I had wrong concepts (not sinful, but misinterpretation) from my parents who were doing their best to protect me. No doubt I'll make such mistakes as well.


The truth is, I never attempted, nor have, to excuse sexual immorality. I did, however, think that pre-martial sex was an incorrect definition. After more thinking, though, I have changed my opinion once again, which has been already stated.


I am of the persuasion, that Christianity either condones sexual immorality by giving excuses, or is guilty of trying to shield their young ones from what is out there to the point that it does MORE damage than good. I am not advocating that Christians should just let their kids be exposed to everything, but please, if your kids ask something, give a straight answer and give some effective reasons for that answer. Don't put up a castle over them. They only feel restricted, and let's face it. Will you always be able to do it? No. What's going to happen once those walls come down? Chances are, (I have had several friends who went straight down this track), they'll be overwhelmed by what they see and experience and leave Christ. Christians should be able to face issues, not hide. We shouldn't have to be scared into doing something or not doing it, but if that is the only way, that we don't do something because we are terrified of Hell, then so be it.