Palestinian position on peace with Israel

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The Kingdom of God is no longer external. The physical land of Israel has been abandoned. The Kingdom is now ruled by the Spirit internally - we are His temple,not some external, used-up land. All who accept Jesus are ruled by the Spirit.... Jerusalem is in our hearts.

The grasping at the old external is death.
 
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The Kingdom of God is no longer external. The physical land of Israel has been abandoned. The Kingdom is now ruled by the Spirit internally - we are His temple,not some external, used-up land. All who accept Jesus are ruled by the Spirit.... Jerusalem is in our hearts.

The grasping at the old external is death.

The children of Abraham are now his children by faith. We walk according to a new creation and not the old. All those who overcome with Christ will rule and reign with him in the New Jerusalem. :)

Lord bless you, my brother
 

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The children of Abraham are now his children by faith. We walk according to a new creation and not the old. All those who overcome with Christ will rule and reign with him in the New Jerusalem. :)

Lord bless you, my brother
Yes that's right, we do not have to take anything, it will be given.
 

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The children of Abraham are now his children by faith. We walk according to a new creation and not the old. All those who overcome with Christ will rule and reign with him in the New Jerusalem. :)

Lord bless you, my brother

A spectacular display of truth, my brother!!! Outstanding!
 

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-- "Islam's role" in beginning the practice of sacrifices again in the JEWISH Temple.....uh huh -- You seem a little confused. Let me recount for you. I have provided several examples of where, IF the U.N. were "protecting" Israel, they are doing an incredibly poor job. I have shown where Israel has been targeted, marginalized and even shown spite by the UN over the last several decades. You - providing zero evidence - claim otherwise. Try again. -- Your own words state that you were not there when it allegedly happened

Yes, I agree, the U.N. often operate against... Israel, even in Lebanon a couple of years ago, right, remember? Israel had to move back to their borders. Why? Because of the U.N. agreements made a long time ago establishing Israel's borders. 28 member nations of the U.N. participated in the Gulf War, and you think that had nothing to do with the state of Israel?


Therefore... -- LOL Please reread my post and try to focus instead of planning your response before you even finish reading it. I never said that you or anyone else serving on a B52, regardless of the capacity, is "classified. Never. Not once. Never even implied. But I do know that there are certain missions whose activities (even plans for those activities) ARE classified. In Europe I worked as something called a Strategic Debriefer. I debriefed defecting Soviets and members of the Warsaw Pact, civilian, governmental, and military. My role was known, but there are to this day many things I learned that I am forbidden to discuss - and I am now a civilian. Loading US war planes with nuclear weapons in preparation to nuke the forces of foreign governments that the US has not declared hostilities towards, in defense of a nation that we have not told anyone we have promised to protect in the event of an invasion or military action is HARDLY an activity that would not be classified.

What you're talking about is something a lot different than what I'm talking about. Someone serving as alert personnel is not classified.


What? Not classified? Awesome! Give me a link or a source so I can read about this incredible non-classified event. And no, not you. You have proven to be anything but a reliable source. -- You forget, those forces were within Israel's borders. Hence, the attack would have been on Israel. It would have killed Israelis, both civilian and military indescriminately, as well as the Arab forces. And it would have gone against every single treaty and international agreement that the US has ever signed. And if Israel itself possessed (as they do) nuclear weapons, as well as a large number of US-purchased delivery aircraft, why would the U.S. be needed anyway? It would have been difficult for the International Community to criticize Israel for using nukes on its own soil to drive back an undeclared illegal invasion by multiple countries.

We (including you) will probably never know all the events involving that conflict, and who else might have been getting prepared to be involved.


-- Gosh that's swell, but it has little to do with the three conflicts of the past we are speaking of. Especially when you consider that neither Russian or Chinese forces mobilized, let alone gave a hint of planning to move on Israel. -- Ohhhhhh, so close. It is called DE-classified information. As of 1996. A briefing given to public and press as part of the Post-Cold War release of information. No security clearance needed :) A quick call to the Pentagon CIO will confirm that for you. Chief Information Office: (703) 693-1852 DSN: 225-1846 See, at least ONE of us is willing to back up our claims... --

Doesn't mean other nations than those you mentioned weren't getting prepared for involvement, nations in the middleast allied with those you mention.


Oh, I am quite aware of it. It appears moreso than you. When the U.S. agrees to defend a nation militarily, it is always done PUBLICALLY. There are two reasons for that: 1. To re-assure an ally, thus giving them the courage to stand up to implied or actual threats of others. 2. To deter an aggressor from showing aggression towards the ally. Knowing that that the U.S. will back a country militarily has deterred many a conflict (but not all). The US has publically promised defense of its NATO allies, South Korea, Japan and a number of other countries. Publically, for that very reason. The US has done no such thing, either alone or as part of the UN in regards to Israel.

You mean like Taiwan, right? So what you're saying is that we have never backed Israel, have never had an agreement to help them militarily if needed? And likewise the U.N. never has either?
 

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Yes, I agree, the U.N. often operate against... Israel, even in Lebanon a couple of years ago, right, remember? Israel had to move back to their borders. Why? Because of the U.N. agreements made a long time ago establishing Israel's borders. 28 member nations of the U.N. participated in the Gulf War, and you think that had nothing to do with the state of Israel?

-- So, 28 UN member nations participated in the first Gulf War - where Sadam Hussein invaded Kuwait and was preparing to invade Saudi Arabia - out of support to Israel?

Have you lost your mind?



What you're talking about is something a lot different than what I'm talking about. Someone serving as alert personnel is not classified.

-- I am not sure if English is your first or second language, but as I ALREADY said, someone serving in that role is of course NOT classified.
But at times, out of necessity, some of their operations or operational plans/preparations they participate in ARE.
PLEASE try to focus.



Doesn't mean other nations than those you mentioned weren't getting prepared for involvement, nations in the middleast allied with those you mention.

-- Really? You have to resort to changing the subject?
I take it then you won't bother verifying what I have said is true (even though I have done everything short of dialing the number for you).
I also take it that you will not bother trying to support your claim.
Yup, this is wearing thin.



You mean like Taiwan, right? So what you're saying is that we have never backed Israel, have never had an agreement to help them militarily if needed? And likewise the U.N. never has either?

-- 1948. Israel attacked from all sides in effort to wipe her off the map. US military and/or UN intervention to help Israel? Zip.
-- 1967. Another war with declared goal of wiping Israel off the map. US military and/or UN intervention to help Israel? Zip.
-- 1973. Another unprovoked surprise attack on Israel. US military and/or UN intervention to help Israel? Zip.


Veteran, let's end this.

Whatever your agenda is, it obviously has nothing to do with the topic of this thread.

Discussing with you was fun until you started to leave the realm of common sense.

I think we're done here.
 

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The Kingdom of God is no longer external. The physical land of Israel has been abandoned. The Kingdom is now ruled by the Spirit internally - we are His temple,not some external, used-up land. All who accept Jesus are ruled by the Spirit.... Jerusalem is in our hearts.

The grasping at the old external is death.

sounds like replacement theology to me. which is a lie from satan.
 

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Six in 10 Palestinians reject 2-state solution, survey finds
By GIL HOFFMAN
07/15/2011 04:26


73% of 1,010 Palestinians in W. Bank, Gaza agree with 'hadith' quoted in Hamas Charter about the need to kill Jews hiding behind stones, trees.
Only one in three Palestinians (34 percent) accepts two states for two peoples as the solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, according to an intensive, face-to-face survey in Arabic of 1,010 Palestinian adults in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip completed this week by American pollster Stanley Greenberg.

The poll, which has a margin of error of 3.1 percentage points, was conducted in partnership with the Beit Sahour-based Palestinian Center for Public Opinion and sponsored by the Israel Project, an international nonprofit organization that provides journalists and leaders with information about the Middle East.

The Israel Project is trying to reach out to the Arab world to promote “people-to-people peace.” The poll appears to indicate that the organization has a difficult task ahead.

Respondents were asked about US President Barack Obama’s statement that “there should be two states: Palestine as the homeland for the Palestinian people and Israel as the homeland for the Jewish people.”

Just 34% said they accepted that concept, while 61% rejected it.

Sixty-six percent said the Palestinians’ real goal should be to start with a two-state solution but then move to it all being one Palestinian state.

Asked about the fate of Jerusalem, 92% said it should be the capital of Palestine, 1% said the capital of Israel, 3% the capital of both, and 4% a neutral international city.

Seventy-two percent backed denying the thousands of years of Jewish history in Jerusalem, 62% supported kidnapping IDF soldiers and holding them hostage, and 53% were in favor or teaching songs about hating Jews in Palestinian schools.

When given a quote from the Hamas Charter about the need for battalions from the Arab and Islamic world to defeat the Jews, 80% agreed. Seventy-three percent agreed with a quote from the charter (and a hadith, or tradition ascribed to the prophet Muhammad) about the need to kill Jews hiding behind stones and trees.

But only 45% said they believed in the charter’s statement that the only solution to the Palestinian problem was jihad.

The survey’s more positive findings included that only 22% supported firing rockets at Israeli cities and citizens and that two-thirds preferred diplomatic engagement over violent “resistance.”

Among Palestinians in general 65% preferred talks and 20% violence. In the West Bank it was 69-28%, and in Gaza, 59- 32%.

Asked whether they backed seeking a Palestinian state unilaterally in the UN, 64% said yes. The number was 57% in the West Bank and 79% in Gaza. Thirty-seven percent said the UN action would bring a Palestinian state closer, 16% said it would set back the establishment of a state, and 44% said it would make no difference.

When asked what Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas’s top priorities should be, 83% said creating jobs. Just 4% said getting the UN to recognize a Palestinian state, and only 2% said peace talks with Israel.

Israel Project president Jennifer Laszlo Mizrahi said she was encouraged that the Arab Spring would bring more accuracy to Arab media and by the 59% of Palestinians who are on Facebook. The Israel Project has 80,723 friends for its Arabic site, which has had 9.5 million page views in two months.

“Some of the numbers in the poll are discouraging, but we are trying to change them,” she said at a Jerusalem press conference in which Greenberg presented the findings.

Greenberg said the survey proved that there was a big need for public education and leadership on the Palestinian side.

Greenberg and Laszlo Mizrahi have presented the findings to President Shimon Peres, opposition leader Tzipi Livni, Vice Premier Moshe Ya’alon and Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu’s senior adviser, Ron Dermer.

Next week, they have meetings scheduled in the White House and the Pentagon.

Israeli leaders told Greenberg and Laszlo Mizrahi they were encouraged by Palestinian support for talks.

Polls can be manipulated to get the result that some would want to have. The real enemy is Satan, and it is he that creates distrust, fuel wars and oppression by man against man. When we begin to see this we will see one of the reasons why God sent Jesus to save mankind. So as Christians we are not to takes sides because God has already chosen us.
 

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buzzfruit, not to take sides? God is on the side of Israel and so must we be.
he will bless those who bless them and curse those who curse them.
 

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buzzfruit, not to take sides? God is on the side of Israel and so must we be.
he will bless those who bless them and curse those who curse them.

That's under the Old Covenant. Where in the Bible does it say we must automatically be on the State of Israel's side? It's interesting that Jesus never took the view that you and so many others take towards the State of Israel. Do you think they are perfect and do no wrong or have never committed any injustice? Should you take their side even when they are wrong? And when you do what does it say about you?

God is on all human being's side not just the State of Israel. Remember, the Jews as a whole have rejected Jesus. So I would not say they are blessed at this point in time.
 

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buzzfruit, what the bible says about Israel and God's covenant with them still stands. to say otherwise is buying into replacement theology which is from Satan. open your eyes. Israel is still God's chosen people.
 

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buzzfruit, what the bible says about Israel and God's covenant with them still stands. to say otherwise is buying into replacement theology which is from Satan. open your eyes. Israel is still God's chosen people.

So does that mean that they are to offer animal sacrifices to God because that also is under the Old Covenant? And under that Covenant all they would ever receive is physical blessings, but no salvation. But the Old Covenant is done away with.....it is no long applicable, since it was replaced by the New Covenant when Jesus died. In the New Testament there is only one Covenant, not two....one for the Jews and one for none Jews. Under the New Covenat God has made two seperate people one. A Christian is a decendant of Abraham, because eternal life was promise to him by God and by faith we have inherited that blessing as well.

Galatians 3:28-29 (ASV)
[sup]28 [/sup]There can be neither Jew nor Greek, there can be neither bond nor free, there can be no male and female; for ye all are one man in Christ Jesus.
[sup]29 [/sup]And if ye are Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, heirs according to promise.


So what I see in the Bible under the New Covenant is that those who are in Christ are God's chosen people.
1 Peter 2:9-10 (GW)
[sup]9 [/sup]However, you are chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, people who belong to God. You were chosen to tell about the excellent qualities of God, who called you out of darkness into his marvelous light.
[sup]10 [/sup]Once you were not God's people, but now you are. Once you were not shown mercy, but now you have been shown mercy.




 

teamventure

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are we under the old covenant? no. obviously not.
do you believe that the nation of Israel is no longer significant to God?
 

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are we under the old covenant? no. obviously not.
do you believe that the nation of Israel is no longer significant to God?

God is no respecter of persons so all people are significant to God. And since we are not under the Old Covenant then it means that the definition of who is God's chosen people is not the same as it was under the Old Covenant.

Acts 10:34-35 (ASV)
[sup]34 [/sup]And Peter opened his mouth and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
[sup]35 [/sup]but in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is acceptable to him.


Who do you think is going to rule with Jesus when He returns? Is it the Jews or is it those that are in Christ? You cannot show me nothing in the Bible that you believe about God's love for the Jews that does not apply to the gentile Nations as well. But I noticed that you have chosen to ignore much of what I have post in # 69,71 and 73.
 

teamventure

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those who are in Christ will rule with Jesus.
all people are significant to God on a personal level, but Israel is still significant to God on a national level.
it's pretty simple i don't see why you don't understand that, unless you choose to decieve yourself.
 

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those who are in Christ will rule with Jesus.
all people are significant to God on a personal level, but Israel is still significant to God on a national level.
it's pretty simple i don't see why you don't understand that, unless you choose to decieve yourself.

Like I said, anything that you can tell me about Israel I can show you the same about another Nation. For example: Egypt and Assyria. In this prophecy God even calls Egyptians His people.


Isaiah 19:23-25 (ASV)
[sup]23 [/sup]In that day shall there be a highway out of Egypt to Assyria, and the Assyrian shall come into Egypt, and the Egyptian into Assyria; and the Egyptians shall worship with the Assyrians.
[sup]24 [/sup]In that day shall Israel be the third with Egypt and with Assyria, a blessing in the midst of the earth;
[sup]25 [/sup]for that Jehovah of hosts hath blessed them, saying, Blessed be Egypt my people, and Assyria the work of my hands, and Israel mine inheritance.

Under the New Covenant in the Millennium all Nations will become God's people.
 

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The prophet Malachi was inspired to write that God's name will be great among the gentiles. God is in effect saying, you won't give the honor that is due to me. Well, the gentiles will.....they will give me what you refused to do.


Malachi 1:11 (ASV)
[sup]11 [/sup]For from the rising of the sun even unto the going down of the same my name shall be great among the Gentiles; and in every place incense shall be offered unto my name, and a pure offering: for my name shall be great among the Gentiles, saith Jehovah of hosts.
 

teamventure

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what are you trying to say? just come out and say it. you believe in replacement theology.
are you antisemetic as well?
 

teamventure

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when God makes a promise, he keeps it. The almighty God doesn't go back on his promises.
All of the promises God made to Israel still stand, and that includes the land of Israel for the jews.