The Great Commandment

Bob Estey said:

It might raise this question: Is love how we feel about people, or is love about how we treat people?

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Both. God loved the world of humanity, therefore He sent His Son into the world to become the Sacrifice for the sins of the world. So there was both feeling and action.

Bob Estey said:

You say both, but that doesn't sound like what Paul is saying here: No, "if your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him drink; for by so doing you will heap burning coals upon his head." Romans 12:20 RSV

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This simply means that God will avenge His people. It does not mean harboring hatred while trying to feed your enemy.

Lifelong_sinner said:

I cannot fathom how anyone can think its easy to not sin.

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It’s because they do not understand what sin “ IS”.....Fallen man has Sin built into his DNA.....to even THINK a lustful thought is a sin that God sees as being the equivalent of Adultery.....and then the are the ‘ Sins Of Omission”.....have we invited any strangers into our homes to feed and clothe lately? Neglecting these things are Sins also.....we are ALL “ Lifetime Sinners”—— some know it and others do not......as I often say —- “ Best go get you some Grace! “..... it’s yours when you REST in the Gospel Of Grace ....1Cor15:1-4....

Enoch111 said:

Both. God loved the world of humanity, therefore He sent His Son into the world to become the Sacrifice for the sins of the world. So there was both feeling and action.

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The first love leads to the second love automatically if the first one is real...

Bob Estey said:

No, it can't.

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I explained and defended my position in detail....how about you? Simple opinions without explanations are of very little value in here....please explain where I am wrong....just saying “ you are wrong” is a waste of computer ink...

Bob Estey said:

Some things are self-evident. God wouldn't command us to do something that is impossible.

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so, not sinning is possible you think??

Bob Estey said:

Yes. We've all sinned but I see no reason we can't stop. That is what God told us to do (Matthew 4:17).

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im gonna let you in on a secret. You have sinned today, you’re gonna sin tomorrow. And guess what?? Its the same for every person on this planet. You cant stop it.
Jeremiah 17:9
Mark 7:21-23
Matthew 15:19
Genesis 6:5
Proverbs 28:26

Yes, we all sin daily. We cannot stop it.

GEN2REV said:

OSAS and Sinless Perfection are two extreme polarities that purposely dodge the concept of obeying the Commandments via the Holy Spirit - which is somewhat of a middle ground between the two and is Biblically accurate.It doesn't matter if we can ever be 100% sinless. That is a False Argument that nobody ever proposes in these debates. It is an argument that you, and others, bring forth to argue against a position that doesn't exist in the debate at all.

What matters is that we strive, each and every day, to obey all of the 10 Commandments. That is our duty as mankind. Ecclesiastes 12:13 We cannot obey them all perfectly 100% of the time, that is why Jesus/God sends us the Holy Spirit to help us to do so as often as we can. In the long run, we become more proficient and, as has been proven by others in Scripture, we can become close enough to perfection that God approves greatly of our conviction and commitment to obeying Him.

Nobody achieves that who believes we shouldn't even try.
Maybe not, but it is absolutely pertinent to the discussion, you just don't want it brought to light because it shows the weak point of your position. If you are OSAS, then by definition, you cannot allow yourself to see any point in obeying Commandments because it completely contradicts that perspective. You cannot be OSAS and agree that there is any significance in obeying Commandments because that correctly implies that there would be consequences if you do not. The two cannot exist together in a stable personal dogma.
I don't subscribe to one facet of OSAS in the least. It is completely unbiblical. It contradicts large portions of the foundation of Scriptural Truth, one of which we are discussing in this thread - that of obeying the 10 Commandments.

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“ By The Works Of The Law— NO MAN will be Justified”
That by itself should be enough , but there are many more verses to prove that your Doctrine comes straight from Hell .....check these verses out, Then we will see just how “ Stiff- Necked” you are in the face of inarguable , Bible Truths...




Many Christians give lip service to the fact they live in the New Covenant.

The truth however is that because they fail to realise they are no longer under the law they are really still living in an Old Covenant reality.

Here are 37 scriptures that prove that Christians are not under the law!
Acts

The law is an unbearable yoke. (Acts 15:10)

Romans

The law reveals sin but cannot fix it. (Romans 3:20)

If the law worked then faith would be irrelevant. (Romans 4:14)

The law brings wrath upon those who follow it. (Romans 4:15)

The purpose of the law was to increase sin. (Romans 5:20)

Christians are not under the law. (Romans 6:14)

Christians have been delivered from the law. (Romans 7:1-6)

The law is good, perfect and holy but cannot help you be good, perfect or holy. (Romans 7:7-12)

The law which promises life only brings death through sin. (Romans 7:10)

The law makes you sinful beyond measure. (Romans 7:13)

The law is weak. (Romans 8:2-3)

1 Corinthians

The strength of sin is the law (1 Corinthians 15:56)

2 Corinthians

The law is a ministry of death. (2 Corinthians 3:7)

The law is a ministry of condemnation. (2 Corinthians 3:9)

The law has no glory at all in comparison with the New Covenant. (2 Corinthians 3:10)

The law is fading away. (2 Corinthians 3:11)

Anywhere the law is preached it produces a mind-hardening and a heart-hardening veil. (2 Corinthians 3:14-15)

Galatians

The law justifies nobody. (Galatians 2:16)

Christians are dead to the law. (Galatians 2:19)

The law frustrates grace. (Galatians 2:21)

To go back to the law after embracing faith is “stupid”. (Galatians 3:1)

The law curses all who practice it and fail to do it perfectly. (Galatians 3:10)

The law has nothing to do with faith. (Galatians 3:11-12)

The law was a curse that Christ redeemed us from. (Galatians 3:13)

The law functioned in God’s purpose as a temporary covenant from Moses till John the Baptist announced Christ. (Galatians 3:16 & 19, also see… Matthew 11:12-13, Luke 16:16)

If the law worked God would have used it to save us. (Galatians 3:21)

The law was our prison. (Galatians 3:23)

The law makes you a slave like Hagar. (Galatians 4:24)

Ephesians

Christ has abolished the law which was a wall of hostility (Ephesians 2:15)

Philippians

Paul considered everything the law gained him as “skybalon” which is Greek for “poop”. (Philippians 3:4-8)

1 Timothy

The law is only good if used in the right context. (1 Timothy 1:8) (see next verse for the context)

It was made for the unrighteous but not for the righteous. (1 Timothy 1:9-10)

Hebrews

The law is weak, useless and makes nothing perfect. (Hebrews 7:18-19)

God has found fault with it and created a better covenant, enacted on better promises. (Hebrews 8:7-8)

It is obsolete, growing old and ready to vanish. (Hebrews 8:13)

It is only a shadow of good things to come and will never make someone perfect. (Hebrews 10:1)

Well there you have it… 37 script

BloodBought 1953 said:

Well there you have it… 37 script

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Nice.

Every single one of those has the condition of having the Holy Spirit.

Most are only true IF you don't have the Holy Spirit.

Some are only true IF you do.

It's all about whether the Holy Spirit is present within the believer to assist in obeying all 10 Commandments just as that very Spirit did in Christ's body while He was upon the earth.
John 15:10

Simple.

Lifelong_sinner said:

im gonna let you in on a secret. You have sinned today, you’re gonna sin tomorrow. And guess what?? Its the same for every person on this planet. You cant stop it.
Jeremiah 17:9
Mark 7:21-23
Matthew 15:19
Genesis 6:5
Proverbs 28:26

Yes, we all sin daily. We cannot stop it.

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Just because you've lost all hope, doesn't mean the rest of us have.

Repent.

Lifelong_sinner said:

I cannot fathom how anyone can think its easy to not sin.

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That's because you don't understand what sin is.

It's the breaking of the 10 Commandments.
1 John 3:4

Here they are.



Now, ... tell us which ones are impossible not to break.

GEN2REV said:

That's because you don't understand what sin is.

It's the breaking of the 10 Commandments.
1 John 3:4

Here they are.

Now, ... tell us which ones are impossible not to break.

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Apparently, in your mind, it makes no difference what Jesus or Paul had to say about Commandment keeping in order to be Saved.....

Paul said that , “ By The Keeping Of the Law, No Flesh will be Justified” ....you got an answer for that?

How about , “Christ is THE END of the LAW for Righteousness”

Jesus said that if you even merely Lust over somebody of the opposite sex, you are an Adulterer in the eyes of God ......how’s “ that” one working for you?

I’m sure your Commandment Ignorance spreads over to the Sabbath also....did you even get the right day? The Sabbath is from sundown Friday till sundown Saturday—- it ain’t Sunday....

You are forbidden to make a spark or a Fire on the Sabbath —- did you ever sinfully drive your car or prepare a meal on the Sabbath —- both require a spark or a fire...

I could fill a warehouse with this type of stuff—- you either get it or you don’t....You ain’t gonna get Saved by Commandment Keeping—- I’ve proven that by Scriptures that you find a way to twist to fit your Perverted Doctrine...I hope you discover before it is too late that the Grace of God that you reject is the only thing that will ever save anybody.....For the Newbies in the audience who have the sense to know that the Law was given to show one that they can’t keep it and therefore MUST have a Savior.......you can get that Grace that covers ALL of your sins by simply Resting in the Gospel that is found in 1 Cor15:1-4.....Paul said that the Law was “ Weak and Useless” unless you know how to use it—- this guy clearly does not know how to use the Law.....Paul said that the Law was “ weak” because it never had the POWER TO SAVE.....That “ POWER” is in the Gospel .....believe in it....rest in it....God Bless

BloodBought 1953 said:

Apparently, in your mind, it makes no difference what Jesus or Paul had to say...

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Apparently, in your mind, it makes no difference how many times you're told, by multiple people here, that nobody is talking about Salvation BUT YOU.

Nobody is claiming we must keep the Commandments in order to be saved.

YOU are the ONLY one who keeps returning to that argument. And you know why??

Because you literally have nowhere else to go with this. You've been proven wrong repeatedly and you can't accept it so you just keep going baaaaack to your last failure of an argument.

Give it a rest.

Bob Estey said:

I've sinned today? Which commandment did I break?

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if you had the Holy Spirit, you would know.