If OSAS is false, then what?
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So... why don't I just live however I want to, and then repent RIIIIIIIGHT at the end of my life?
This is basically what those who do not believe in OSAS are saying I can do. So why not?
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ya, so go find that one in the Bible, and when you cant, adjust
Gehenna is on earth, right? So see how it might be a great euphemism for…well, something we do every day, to those who prove themselves worthless, “send them to the trash dump” iow, and not a reference to the norse/angle notion of “hell” at all. Hades’ mythology (hades is a greek god btw) also has no punishment involved.
so iow our notion of hell comes from our notion of heaven, more or less, the one arises from the desire for the other, and neither are true in the way we currently believe, surely
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op: IF osas is not true, then what?
A: Always True = no "then what." God's Word Was True From Eternity
Past, Is True Now, And Will Still Be True For The Rest Of Eternity...
B) Behold: There is no conditional "working FOR salvation" When God
States Plainly And Clearly "It Is A FREE Gift" From Him, Based On:
C) Confusion is quickly becoming Massive, When God's Relationship
(FREE Gift Of Eternal Life) With His children Is Totally Mixed Up with
our fellowship ("worked OUT" to get earned rewards) with Him! i.e.:
GRACE And Peace...
D) Definitely More (12 Dozen) Plain And Clear Passages Of
The Faithful God, for our Assurance Of HIS Eternal Life:
God's OPERATION On All HIS New-born babes In CHRIST!
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God's Eternal Assurance!
Please Be Very RICHLY Encouraged, Enlightened, Exhorted, and Edified In
CHRIST And HIS Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided!
A: Always True = no "then what." God's Word Was True From Eternity
Past, Is True Now, And Will Still Be True For The Rest Of Eternity...
B) Behold: There is no conditional "working FOR salvation" When God
States Plainly And Clearly "It Is A FREE Gift" From Him, Based On:
►►► The Merits Of HIS Finished CrossWork! ◄◄◄
C) Confusion is quickly becoming Massive, When God's Relationship
(FREE Gift Of Eternal Life) With His children Is Totally Mixed Up with
our fellowship ("worked OUT" to get earned rewards) with Him! i.e.:
GRACE And Peace...
D) Definitely More (12 Dozen) Plain And Clear Passages Of
The Faithful God, for our Assurance Of HIS Eternal Life:
God's OPERATION On All HIS New-born babes In CHRIST!
+
God's Eternal Assurance!
Please Be Very RICHLY Encouraged, Enlightened, Exhorted, and Edified In
CHRIST And HIS Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided!
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please explain.
What is the difference between someone who acknowledges something is sin and he deserves judgment for that sin.
and those who either do not acknowledge their sin, or claim that if they just say they are sorry or confess it. they are ok?
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Actually. one could say NOSAS is satanic. As it not only takes peoples focus of God and places it on self. It calls God a liar.
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Where did Jesus say if we try our best not to sin, and pray for forgiveness everyday he will give us eternal life? Just asking
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Amen
Paul did not say work for salvation. He said work out the salvation you have.
Sadly many have moved words and made paul say something he never said
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you might also find wanting to get rewarded for what you should have been doing anyway, which is in There somewhere but i cant currently find for some reason lol
Im still just as confused now as at the beginning. If OSAS isnt true, then how do you know you are saved one day from the next?? So if im saved right now, could i not be saved 10 mins from now???
If OSAS isnt true, then i feel like all of 1 john would be made into a lie. Theres no way to have assurance without OSAS. 1 john was written so that we may know we are saved and have assurance.
If OSAS isnt true, then i feel like all of 1 john would be made into a lie. Theres no way to have assurance without OSAS. 1 john was written so that we may know we are saved and have assurance.
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1 John 5:13
These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life, and that you may continue to believe in the name of the Son of God.
How can we KNOW we have it if OSAS is not true
How can we continue to believe if OSAS is not true?
There is no hope. and no knowledge and in the end. no real saving faith if OSAS is not true.
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just cant let go of the possibility of "going to heaven, after you have died," huh
Did you see to whom I was responding? Aunty Jane mistakenly believes that there will be a Paradise on earth for Christians. She does not know that Paradise is in the New Jerusalem in Heaven and will remain there. And the New Jerusalem is the eternal abode of the children of God.
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Some mistaken folks think so, yes. But it's not. At all. Paul addresses and heads off that very misunderstanding in Romans 6:
"What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound? By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it? Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life."
"For if we have been united with him in a death like his, we shall certainly be united with him in a resurrection like his. We know that our old self was crucified with him in order that the body of sin might be brought to nothing, so that we would no longer be enslaved to sin. For one who has died has been set free from sin. Now if we have died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him. We know that Christ, being raised from the dead, will never die again; death no longer has dominion over him. For the death he died he died to sin, once for all, but the life he lives he lives to God. So you also must consider yourselves dead to sin and alive to God in Christ Jesus."
"Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, to make you obey its passions. Do not present your members to sin as instruments for unrighteousness, but present yourselves to God as those who have been brought from death to life, and your members to God as instruments for righteousness. For sin will have no dominion over you, since you are not under law but under grace."
"What then? Are we to sin because we are not under law but under grace? By no means! Do you not know that if you present yourselves to anyone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin, which leads to death, or of obedience, which leads to righteousness? But thanks be to God, that you who were once slaves of sin have become obedient from the heart to the standard of teaching to which you were committed, and, having been set free from sin, have become slaves of righteousness. I am speaking in human terms, because of your natural limitations. For just as you once presented your members as slaves to impurity and to lawlessness leading to more lawlessness, so now present your members as slaves to righteousness leading to sanctification."
"For when you were slaves of sin, you were free in regard to righteousness. But what fruit were you getting at that time from the things of which you are now ashamed? For the end of those things is death. But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves of God, the fruit you get leads to sanctification and its end, eternal life. For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord."
"For if we have been united with him in a death like his, we shall certainly be united with him in a resurrection like his. We know that our old self was crucified with him in order that the body of sin might be brought to nothing, so that we would no longer be enslaved to sin. For one who has died has been set free from sin. Now if we have died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him. We know that Christ, being raised from the dead, will never die again; death no longer has dominion over him. For the death he died he died to sin, once for all, but the life he lives he lives to God. So you also must consider yourselves dead to sin and alive to God in Christ Jesus."
"Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, to make you obey its passions. Do not present your members to sin as instruments for unrighteousness, but present yourselves to God as those who have been brought from death to life, and your members to God as instruments for righteousness. For sin will have no dominion over you, since you are not under law but under grace."
"What then? Are we to sin because we are not under law but under grace? By no means! Do you not know that if you present yourselves to anyone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin, which leads to death, or of obedience, which leads to righteousness? But thanks be to God, that you who were once slaves of sin have become obedient from the heart to the standard of teaching to which you were committed, and, having been set free from sin, have become slaves of righteousness. I am speaking in human terms, because of your natural limitations. For just as you once presented your members as slaves to impurity and to lawlessness leading to more lawlessness, so now present your members as slaves to righteousness leading to sanctification."
"For when you were slaves of sin, you were free in regard to righteousness. But what fruit were you getting at that time from the things of which you are now ashamed? For the end of those things is death. But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves of God, the fruit you get leads to sanctification and its end, eternal life. For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord."
"OSAS," properly understood, is in no way a "license to sin," but quite the opposite. Paul ~ God, ultimately speaking ~ is crystal clear here.
Grace and peace to you.
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