John Calvin and Calvinism.

Bible Highlighter · Apr 19, 2022

Grailhunter said:
Calvinism is blasphemy against God plain a simple and so it is a heresy. I have been standing against Calvinism for the last couple years on this forum. If you read some of the old post it might make you laugh.

You probably thought I was disagreeing with you on Calvinism because the topic went to judgment of Calvinists. Judgment is one of those topics I am careful about. Christ's judgment is Christ's judgment and I am not qualified to speak for Christ. Christianity is a journey with Christ. A young Christian is not going to know it all...but there are a lot of people out there that will tell them....lead them down the wrong path. A person that is a Calvinist may not remain a Calvinist once they know the truth about Calvinism. Even in a Calvinist church the beliefs and understandings my vary because they do not tell them the truth. And again many are not prepared or educated enough to be able to dig into the details. So many false beliefs and understanding running around. Sifting through all the false beliefs that are so commonly believed takes time, effort, and education. Should people take the time? There soul could depend on it. So how important is that? In the real world....mom and dad....living in the rat race....some people do not make the time. And who do they trust to help them? Of course they trust God but who can help them understand the Bible. Starting from scratch and learning the truth takes a lot of time.

I strive to condemn the false belief (Calvinism), and not any individuals. For I know that a person can later repent of their false belief through study of His Word with the Bible. So there is no need for any kind of lecture like that with me. We are to correct others in love, but if you were clearly condemning Calvinism in our discussions, then there would not have been any confusion on this issue between us.

You said:
Now for the rest of this conversation. We are in a Calvinist thread talking about a lot of topics, and I do not mind that but if you want to continue you need start a different thread, maybe under Bible Study or PM me.

Different thread would be better if you feel you want to start one.
I am not into PM's unless somebody contacts me or unless it is a fellow brother in Christ whereby we agree on the major things involving the faith. I have been talking on various different forums over the past 10 years and have about 62,000 posts approximately between them all. So I am not new to discussing God's Word online.

Grailhunter · Apr 19, 2022

rockytopva said:
I don't know of any better versions.

Some times I think people think the KJV is a God....liked He signed off on that translation. It is one of many translations. There are a few translations that much more accurate.

Grailhunter · Apr 19, 2022

Bible Highlighter said:
I strive to condemn the false belief (Calvinism), and not any individuals. For I know that a person can later repent of their false belief through study of His Word with the Bible. So there is no need for any kind of lecture like that with me. We are to correct others in love, but if you were clearly condemning Calvinism in our discussions, then there would not have been any confusion on this issue between us.

Different thread would be better if you feel you want to start one.
I am not into PM's unless somebody contacts me or unless it is a fellow brother in Christ whereby we agree on the major things involving the faith. I have been talking on various different forums over the past 10 years and have about 62,000 posts approximately between them all. So I am not new to discussing God's Word online.

Do as you wish.

Bible Highlighter · Apr 19, 2022

Grailhunter said:
Are you saying that you are the only person that the Holy Spirit has guided to the truth? 30,000 denominations all saying they were guided by the Holy Spirit. Something is a mis somewhere.

I cannot speak for GOD, but I know that GOD will not guide a person if they will remain in extreme error.
Again, your statement here sounds like truth is not knowable. Yet, is that what we read in the Scriptures? No. Just read 1 John 2:27. They seemed to have gotten it right.

Johann · Apr 19, 2022

rockytopva said:
My Bible of choice is the King James Version... But.... I was soon to realize I needed a Strongs Exhaustive Concordance with Hebrew and Greek dictionaries to go along with that.

Grailhunter said:
Are you saying that you are the only person that the Holy Spirit has guided to the truth? 30,000 denominations all saying they were guided by the Holy Spirit. Something is a mis somewhere.

Rom 11:33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!
Rom 11:34 For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor?
Rom 11:35 Or who hath first given to him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again?
Rom 11:36 For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen.

Grailhunter · Apr 19, 2022

Bible Highlighter said:
I am puzzled as to why you would not want to share your belief about God openly to all.

I have explained a lot of what I believe in Grailhunter's Corner....it is on this forum....so I have shared and it is open.

rockytopva · Apr 19, 2022

Grailhunter said:
Some times I think people think the KJV is a God....liked He signed off on that translation. It is one of many translations. There are a few translations that much more accurate.

The reason I will remain KJV only is because it took a long time to research along with the Strongs Concordances. I would not want to go through that a second time with another version that is likely to have the same innacurraces.

Bible Highlighter · Apr 19, 2022

Grailhunter said:
Some times I think people think the KJV is a God....liked He signed off on that translation. It is one of many translations. There are a few translations that much more accurate.

Unless one is a radical off the deep end cult like KJV believer, I have not really met any KJB Only fellow brethren who have treated the KJB as if it was GOD Himself. Most KJB Only believers hold to the view that GOD is a spirit being. The Bible is merely the expressed mind of GOD. It is His thoughts and desires for men. Without the Bible, men would not be saved. But folks today want to lobotomize GOD and they want to speak for GOD instead. Rather than submit to any kind of authority by GOD, they become the authority instead.

Grailhunter · Apr 19, 2022

Bible Highlighter said:
I cannot speak for GOD, but I know that GOD will not guide a person if they will remain in extreme error.
Again, your statement here sounds like truth is not knowable. Yet, is that what we read in the Scriptures? No. Just read 1 John 2:27. They seemed to have gotten it right.

If you only knew.

1st John 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, ... So why did the Apostles teach people?

Bible Highlighter · Apr 19, 2022

Grailhunter said:
I have explained a lot of what I believe in Grailhunter's Corner....it is on this forum....so I have shared and it is open.

Yeah, but it's not really clear and there is a lot of fluff in there that one has to sift through. Surely a one sentence statement wouldn't hurt. If you want to post it in a new thread, and provide the link here, it would be appreciated. But please just cut to the chase. Don't beat around the bush. Just tell it to me straight. No wordy overly filled explanations and ten long page history introductions involving your major discovery, eccetera, eccetera.

Grailhunter · Apr 19, 2022

rockytopva said:
The reason I will remain KJV only is because it took a long time to research along with the Strongs Concordances. I would not want to go through that a second time with another version that is likely to have the same innacurraces.

It just depend on how important truth is to you.
Something like the NASB has a lot less errors.

Bible Highlighter · Apr 19, 2022

Grailhunter said:
If you only knew.

1st John 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, ... So why did the Apostles teach people?

I believe it had to do with fellowship. Some learn better from a fellow brother or sister. But there are believers who had the Anointing and they did not need any man to teach them. John talks about them and that is also true. So how does one get this Anointing? Do you believe it is no more today?

Grailhunter · Apr 19, 2022

Bible Highlighter said:
Yeah, but it's not really clear and there is a lot of fluff in there that one has to sift through. Surely a one sentence statement wouldn't hurt. If you want to post it in a new thread, and provide the link here, it would be appreciated. But please just cut to the chase. Don't beat around the bush. Just tell it to me straight. No wordy overly filled explanations and ten long page history introductions involving your major discovery, eccetera, eccetera.

And that is the number one problem with true biblical knowledge....they want the easy way.

Bible Highlighter · Apr 19, 2022

Grailhunter said:
It just depend on how important truth is to you.
Something like the NASB has a lot less errors.

Modern Translations Are Not Inerrant:

If there is one mistake in God’s Word then it is not His Holy Word. Modern Translations clearly show a lack of their own inerrancy. Here are just a few mistakes found in both the NIV and NAS.

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Grailhunter · Apr 19, 2022

Bible Highlighter said:
So how does one get this Anointing? Do you believe it is no more today?

I am not a cessationist.

Bible Highlighter · Apr 19, 2022

Grailhunter said:
And that is the number one problem with true biblical knowledge....they want the easy way.

2 Corinthians 11:3-4
“But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.”

Again, not sure why you are trying to hide the truth and make it simple or easy for me.
Are you not here to serve your fellow brethren? Or are you here to only serve your own interests?
For me: It is a pleasure to take the time to explain things in God's Word to others.
Anyways, if you don't want to create another thread to explain it and provide a link, have a nice day and you can be the only one that believes the way you do. But I have a feeling that GOD wants us to share the truth with others (If indeed you are not ashamed to share the truth in a way that is explainable and easy).

Grailhunter · Apr 19, 2022

Bible Highlighter said:
Again, not sure why you are trying to hide the truth and make it simple or easy for me.

I am not hiding anything. Stop with the accusations.
I have shared...it is in Grailhunter's Corner.

Bible Highlighter · Apr 19, 2022

Grailhunter said:
I am not a cessationist.

I have seen many have very strange and odd beliefs. They use the Bible to supposedly support these odd beliefs in the Bible, but they simply are non-existent. Unfortunately, I see this same pattern with you, my friend. Instead of dealing with what I said, you skip past it. For you seem to imply by your words that knowing the truth of God's Word is nearly impossible. Yet, when I brought up the Anointing in 1 John 2:27, you dodged the truth of this verse. When I asked you to explain the Trinity in a simple and clear way, you simply dodged in giving me the truth yet again.

Anyways, we can agree to disagree in love.
May God bless you.

Bible Highlighter · Apr 19, 2022

Grailhunter said:
I am not hiding anything. Stop with the accusations.
I have shared...it is in Grailhunter's Corner.

But why don't you repeat it here and help us out. You wrote a lot and it's really wordy and not so clear.
Can you confirm the truth and help a brother out?
In other words, if the roles were reversed, I would not make you jump through a bunch of hoops.
I would just tell it to you straight and simple right here. For have you ever been frustrated when somebody does not get to the point before or they don't help you out or they just don't speak plainly to you about something? That's what your kinda doing in my humble opinion (No offense).

Ronald Nolette · Apr 19, 2022

Titus said:
You believe your calvinist pastor, preacher is Inspired?
That is more proof men are not Inspired today.

This foolish comment shows your ignorance.

First off my pastor is not Calvinist. Nor am I! I am an independent Baptist. Nor do I hold to reformed theology or reformed eschatology. And I will take the godliness in his little toe over your arrogant self righteousness everyday! I just know that what people call the five points of Calvin are Scriptural. YOu offer no scriptural rebuttal, just your snide little insults.

YOu seem content to think god has left the preaching of the kingdom to men alone- it shows how little you know for the intimate care of God for His people.

John Calvin and Calvinism.

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