Is Jesus God?

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Is Jesus God?


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Buzzfruit

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Jesus is my Lord and my God. There is only One God, His Name is Jesus the Christ. I know of no other God. Only my God Jesus overcomes sin and death in me. For only He overcame sin and death. No other "god" did. No other God but Jesus has Fathered me by His Holy Spirit Come into me and dwelling with me forever.

The Elohim of God are simply all those in Christ, as reflected in this scripture. It is truly this simple :)

(Heb 12:22) But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
(Heb 12:23) To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
(Heb 12:24) And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.


There is no doubt about that......even Jesus call His Father His God.

John 20:17 (ASV)
[sup]17 [/sup]Jesus saith to her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended unto the Father: but go unto my brethren, and say to them, I ascend unto my Father and your Father, and my God and your God.


But all of that still does not change the fact that God in the Old Testament called human beings god, and to which Jesus quoted it Himself when His divinity was being challenged. One may try to explain it away but no one can explain it away from my mind.
 

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Seems like we are screwing up big time over what the Psalmist is saying.



Psa 82:1 A Psalm of Asaph. God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods.
Psa 82:2 How long will ye judge unjustly, and accept the persons of the wicked? Selah. (this appears to be an accusation of those who were in power, judging people)
Psa 82:3 Defend the poor and fatherless: do justice to the afflicted and needy.
Psa 82:4 Deliver the poor and needy: rid them out of the hand of the wicked. (These are the directions that God gives them)
Psa 82:5 They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in darkness: all the foundations of the earth are out of course. (But this is what they insist on doing.)
Psa 82:6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High. (It has been said that we are gods, but please note that we are children of the MOST HIGH. I doubt that we will ever compare to that)
Psa 82:7 But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes. (Even though we think of ourselves as gods, we WILL die.)
Psa 82:8 Arise, O God, judge the earth: for thou shalt inherit all nations. (The psalmist now gives a plea to God to judge the earth, for HE (singular) would inherit ALL nations)

If I may now, draw your attention to Genesis:
Gen 3:5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

The question now is, we are gods IN WHAT SENSE? In immortality? No. In power? No. In knowing good and evil? yes. A great big sad yes, because at one stage in history, we didn't know evil.

Secondly, let's have a close look at the circumstances surrounding Jesus when he quoted this scripture:


Joh 10:31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
Joh 10:32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
Joh 10:33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
Joh 10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
Joh 10:35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
Joh 10:36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

The Jews were going to stone Jesus for saying that he was the Son of God. In response, Jesus quoted the Scripture, which they knew well, from Psalms. He then proceeded to say, that if the people to whom the word of God came were called gods, and the Scripture cannot be broken, how was it that when he claimed to be the son of God, that he was blaspheming?
I seriously doubt that Jesus was implying that we are Gods in the literal sense and equal to him. How can the created be equal to their Creator?!


Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Joh 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

The created CANNOT be equal with the Creator.
 

Buzzfruit

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Seems like we are screwing up big time over what the Psalmist is saying.



Psa 82:1 A Psalm of Asaph. God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods.
Psa 82:2 How long will ye judge unjustly, and accept the persons of the wicked? Selah. (this appears to be an accusation of those who were in power, judging people)
Psa 82:3 Defend the poor and fatherless: do justice to the afflicted and needy.
Psa 82:4 Deliver the poor and needy: rid them out of the hand of the wicked. (These are the directions that God gives them)
Psa 82:5 They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in darkness: all the foundations of the earth are out of course. (But this is what they insist on doing.)
Psa 82:6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High. (It has been said that we are gods, but please note that we are children of the MOST HIGH. I doubt that we will ever compare to that)
Psa 82:7 But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes. (Even though we think of ourselves as gods, we WILL die.)
Psa 82:8 Arise, O God, judge the earth: for thou shalt inherit all nations. (The psalmist now gives a plea to God to judge the earth, for HE (singular) would inherit ALL nations)

If I may now, draw your attention to Genesis:
Gen 3:5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

The question now is, we are gods IN WHAT SENSE? In immortality? No. In power? No. In knowing good and evil? yes. A great big sad yes, because at one stage in history, we didn't know evil.

All I have been saying is the God called them (human beings) gods. Jesus was still God even though He became mortal. So I don't believe that God called them gods because they were mortal or not mortal, or because the new good and evil. God used the word god to apply to them because all human beings came from Himself. The spirit that all human beings have came from God. God reached into Himself and took himself out and put it into man......the Bible calls it the breath of life or the spirit in man.
Only human beings were made in the image of God and so only human beings has the potential to be like Jesus and has the right to rule. The problem is we don't fully understand what it means when God said, "Let us make man in our image; according to our likeness." It is not just because we can think, reason and is self-aware........angels are like that as well but they are not in God's image. God made human beings in His image because He wanted beings that would be like Himself; beings where nothing will be impossible for them to do.

Secondly, let's have a close look at the circumstances surrounding Jesus when he quoted this scripture:


Joh 10:31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
Joh 10:32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
Joh 10:33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
Joh 10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
Joh 10:35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
Joh 10:36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

The Jews were going to stone Jesus for saying that he was the Son of God. In response, Jesus quoted the Scripture, which they knew well, from Psalms. He then proceeded to say, that if the people to whom the word of God came were called gods, and the Scripture cannot be broken, how was it that when he claimed to be the son of God, that he was blaspheming?
I seriously doubt that Jesus was implying that we are Gods in the literal sense and equal to him. How can the created be equal to their Creator?!


Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Joh 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

The created CANNOT be equal with the Creator.

Says who? Is anything impossible for God? Let me put it this way.....it is like God has cloned Himself when He made human beings. I am not talking about the body, but the spirit that He took from Himself and placed it in a body.
 

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All I have been saying is the God called them (human beings) gods. Jesus was still God even though He became mortal. So I don't believe that God called them gods because they were mortal or not mortal, or because the new good and evil. God used the word god to apply to them because all human beings came from Himself. The spirit that all human beings have came from God. God reached into Himself and took himself out and put it into man......the Bible calls it the breath of life or the spirit in man.
Only human beings were made in the image of God and so only human beings has the potential to be like Jesus and has the right to rule. The problem is we don't fully understand what it means when God said, "Let us make man in our image; according to our likeness." It is not just because we can think, reason and is self-aware........angels are like that as well but they are not in God's image. God made human beings in His image because He wanted beings that would be like Himself; beings where nothing will be impossible for them to do.



Says who? Is anything impossible for God? Let me put it this way.....it is like God has cloned Himself when He made human beings. I am not talking about the body, but the spirit that He took from Himself and placed it in a body.

Wow! Hands up and walking away in disbelief.
 

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Wow! Hands up and walking away in disbelief.


Let me give you something to think about while you are walking away: Jesus said that all things are possible for God.

Mark 14:36 (ESV)
[sup]36 [/sup]And he said, "Abba, Father, all things are possible for you. Remove this cup from me. Yet not what I will, but what you will."


He also said that nothing is impossible for those who believe.

Mark 9:23 (ESV)
[sup]23 [/sup]And Jesus said to him, "If you can! All things are possible for one who believes."


Now, how is it that all things can be possible for us if we believe just as all things are possible for God? If Jesus said that it is possible now, the way we are, sinful and spiritually weak, just imagine what it would be like when we are glorified. We have been told that only God is all-powerful but Jesus tells us that we too can be or will be all-powerful as well.
 

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We will be like Jesus when we see Him face to face. We will be empowered beyond what we could even imagine! However, Jesus is still the King f kings and the Lord of Lords, and while we will be reigning and ruling WITH Him, we will also be SERVING Him.

God is God, after all.
 

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Within the Trinity we can see Jesus is God in fact. but really if one thinks out side the Holy Trinity then it just becomes clear as mud and Jesus becomes just a man to people and this is a work of Satan and people end up pushing OT and the Jews as God and all sorts of rubbish. rejecting the one true Jesus Christ for a lie. it's as simple as that. and it sticks out like dogs balls to me.
 

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Within the Trinity we can see Jesus is God in fact. but really if one thinks out side the Holy Trinity then it just becomes clear as mud and Jesus becomes just a man to people and this is a work of Satan and people end up pushing OT and the Jews as God and all sorts of rubbish. rejecting the one true Jesus Christ for a lie. it's as simple as that. and it sticks out like dogs balls to me.

I somehow have managed to kick the Trinity out (which is never even mentioned in Scripture!) and still understand who Jesus is. I can assure you that he is much more than just a man to me. He is the ALMIGHTY GOD.
 

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I somehow have managed to kick the Trinity out (which is never even mentioned in Scripture!) and still understand who Jesus is. I can assure you that he is much more than just a man to me. He is the ALMIGHTY GOD.

At the expense of the Father and the Spirit? No thanks.......
 

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The Father is God, Jesus is God and Holy Spirit is God. However, the Father is not the Son or the Holy Spirit and the Son is not the Father or the Holy Spirit, and nether is the Holy Spirit the Father or the Son.
 

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The Father is God, Jesus is God and Holy Spirit is God. However, the Father is not the Son or the Holy Spirit and the Son is not the Father or the Holy Spirit, and nether is the Holy Spirit the Father or the Son.

Sounds confusing to me.
1Co_14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
If it's not of God, who is it from?

Seems to me that Jesus was the Father. Isa_9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Seems to me that Jesus was the Holy Ghost. Joh_14:18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
 

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The trinity is confusing for some, just as many things we are to believe are, but that doesn't mean that these concepts are from the enemy. It simply means that our minds often cannot comprehend certain concepts about God. By faith we accept and believe them.

trinity-1.jpg
 

Groundzero

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The trinity is confusing for some, just as many things we are to believe are, but that doesn't mean that these concepts are from the enemy. It simply means that our minds often cannot comprehend certain concepts about God. By faith we accept and believe them.

trinity-1.jpg

Except for the fact that both the term, and the concept of trinity, such as this diagram, are NEVER mentioned or found in Scripture.
 

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Except for the fact that both the term, and the concept of trinity, such as this diagram, are NEVER mentioned or found in Scripture.

I think you are incorrect in saying all three are the same, and correct in saying the bible doesn't mention or teach what the above diagram implies. The bible does teach distinctions between the three, even though they are one.

Logically that diagram is correct; just as it would be correct if it said your soul is not your spirit is not your body; yet your soul, spirit and body are all you. But I wonder if anyone actually thinks that the father, son and spirit are 3 separate persons? If so, which one rules? Consensus government? Pure BS.

Neither the Masoretic Text nor the LXX says the everlasting father. They say a father of an age, or future. Jesus said Phillip saw the father when he saw himself. That is because Jesus is the visible form of the invisible God. There is no manifestation of the father apart from Jesus. Let anyone search the scriptures and show me where God the father has the visible form of a person apart from the Word (i.e., the lord of troops/forces/hosts). Or where the spirit has the form of a person, for that matter.

I think the above diagram would be more accurate if it was 3 concentric circles with the father in the center and the son being outermost. Jesus said that he only spoke what he heard from the spirit, and the spirit took from the father and showed to him. The order is never the other way.
 

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I use to believe that this diagram was correct once until I realized after reading the scriptures for myself, that it is not. The outer circle portion is not correct. The Father is the Spirit and the Son, is the Spirit also. They are one in the "Spirit."

Blessings!!!
 

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Jesus Christ is the "express image" of The Father...

Heb 1:1-3
1 God, Who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by His Son, Whom He hath appointed heir of all things, by Whom also He made the worlds;
3 Who being the brightness of His glory, and the express image of His person, and upholding all things by the word of His power, when He had by Himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
(KJV)

Express image? Brightness of His glory? By Whom God created all things? That's showing Christ's direct relationship as The Father also, but in a different aspect or manifestation.

Jesus in English comes from Greek Iesous, which originates from Hebrew Yehoshua, which means 'Yahaveh is Salvation'.

So even when we say the name Jesus with the word Christ (from Greek Christos which is from Hebrew for Messiah), we cannot get away from including The Father's Name within it at the same time.


Yet notice the Heb.1:3 verse refers to our Lord Jesus by Himself purging our sins, pointing to His crucifixion and resurrection and ascending to the right hand of The Father's Throne in Heaven. The Father is not specifically included in that, even though He is included by the Name Jesus Christ.

John 14:8-9
8 Philip saith unto Him, "Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us."
9 Jesus saith unto him, "Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known Me, Philip? he that hath seen Me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, 'Shew us the Father?' "
(KJV)

Simple, our Lord Jesus Christ, even on earth having been born in the flesh to die on the cross, was the express image of The Father.

And our Lord Jesus gave us The Holy Spirit Comforter through Faith on Him, which is also a different working.

That's pointing to The Godhead as being Three manifestions or workings, but at the same time remaining as One.
 
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