The many errors and contradictions found in Amillennialism.

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Timtofly

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Premillennialism believes in two times or two events during which the dead will be resurrected, but Jesus said there will be one. Amillennialism does not dismiss Christ's teaching on this as Premillennialism does. We should interpret more difficult scripture contained in books with a high amount of symbolism based on a foundation of teachings from more clear and straightforward scripture.
Way more than 2. Lazarus was resurrected. That was a separate event. Matthew 27 at the Cross gives a resurrection event. Christ was resurrected 3 days later. Those alive at the Second Coming will be resurrected out of Adam's dead flesh. Can't take Adam's flesh to Paradise. The 2 witnesses are resurrected hours prior to the battle of Armageddon. Then after the FP and beast are cast into the LOF and Satan is bound in the pit, there is the last resurrection.

If there is a last hour resurrection at the GWT, then some from sheol will be granted eternal life and spared the second death in the LOF. Certainly one has to be physically dead to be physically resurrected?

The spiritual birth is not the physical resurrection. Jesus clearly said:

"That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again."

Why be like Nicodemus, and think God's Word is ridiculous?

Those beheaded were spiritually born from above, the instance that head was severed. All they had was faith and trust in the fact that cutting off their head would be their salvation. They were promised a resurrection, but could not experience that resurrection as proof they made the right choice, only by faith it would happen. All they really have is that verse, and you take that away from them and call it something entirely different.

You would be preaching that if they had their head chopped off, it would mean their resurrection was in Christ 2,000 years ago. Forget being physically resurrected, it is your spiritual destiny, and by the way, there really is no physical resurrection, because there is no 1,000 year reign of Christ coming.

The only context of people being beheaded is during Satan's 42 months of desolation. Avoiding the mark is a physical scenario, not a spiritual one. It involves physically eating, and purchasing the means to survive physically. No where else in the NT is it a requirement to spiritually nor physically sever one's head from their body to ensure eternal life, spiritually nor physically.

Jesus mentions an eye or a hand in symbolic fashion of the flesh getting in the way. But never removing one's head. How can this beheading scenario be only symbolic of a spiritual condition? Do you have other Scripture to corroborate this theological position?

Premils are ignorant of much New Testament teaching and that is why they do not understand what the book of Revelation is really about.

If Premils are ignorant, then Amil are willfully foolish.
 
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Rev. 20:10-15 is a symbolic (non-literal, non-linear) re-stating of the events that are literal, and in order, in 1 Cor. 15:20-27.

From: Amillennialism versus Dispensationalism

"There is an interesting parallel between Rev. 20:10-15 and 1 Cor. 15:21-27 that is very significant.

More proof of Pre-Mil being a sham.

Take a look.

These verses: Revelation 20:10-11 align with these verses: 1 Corinthians 15:25-27

These verses: Revelation 20:12-13 align with this verse 1 Corinthians 15:21 and these verses 1 Corinthians 15:25-26

And these verses: Revelation 20:14-15 align with this verse 1 Corinthians 15:26

This passage in 1 Cor 15 clearly shows Jesus returning, one resurrection, judgment of all wickedness including death, the turning over of the kingdom to the Father and THE END.

Therefore, if Rev. 20 is a re-stating of 1 Cor. 15, Pre-Mil has a huge problem. Another one, that is."
What determines the handing over of the kingdom? Since that all happened at the Cross, then it was finished and all over in 30AD decades before Paul even wrote those words.

You do not even prove a parallel. There is no return after the 1,000 years per John's written word in Revelation 20. You are adding that private opinion to the text. Christ was already reigning before the 1,000 years even started. Your argument falls apart without any proof. No one declared 1992 years between the Cross and the Second Coming, yet here we are 1992 years later, and Christ is still reigning.

Since Paul did not declare any time markers, then according to you, 1 Corinthians 15:22-27 is also non linear and non literal. It was just about a spiritual likeness of an event before creation itself.
 

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No.

You've just twisted Scripture that plainly presents ONE resurrection with two outcomes to say there are two different, separate by 1,000 years, resurrections - which no verse states anywhere in the Bible.

Proof would consist of even ONE verse that claims there are two different resurrections, or show the words Second Resurrection. The words First Resurrection found in Revelation don't prove the complex concept that there are two resurrections separated by 1,000 years; especially when that completely contradicts plain Scripture from multiple other sources within the Bible.


Revelation 20 presents two resurrections separated by a thousand years.
 
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The word to describe a resurrection (coming to life) itself is anazao, not zao.

What you are missing is that when a dead person becomes zao, an anazao took place. That proves the beheaded saints in Revelation 20:4 were resurrected which proves beyond any doubt that Revelation has two resurrection events separated by a thousand years. That proves Amillennialism to be false and celebrates the truth of Premillennialism.
 

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What determines the handing over of the kingdom? Since that all happened at the Cross, then it was finished and all over in 30AD decades before Paul even wrote those words.
Verses?
You do not even prove a parallel. There is no return after the 1,000 years per John's written word in Revelation 20. You are adding that private opinion to the text. Christ was already reigning before the 1,000 years even started. Your argument falls apart without any proof. No one declared 1992 years between the Cross and the Second Coming, yet here we are 1992 years later, and Christ is still reigning.
The burden of proof is on Pre-Mils. All I have to prove is that there is other, much more reliable, Scripture that gives very similar details of events to Rev. 20. Therefore, since Rev. 20 is its only source for Pre-Mil doctrine, that argument falls apart. There is plenty of other passages, outside of Rev., that support 1 Cor. 15 20-27.

Since Paul did not declare any time markers, then according to you, 1 Corinthians 15:22-27 is also non linear and non literal. It was just about a spiritual likeness of an event before creation itself.
Paul doesn't have to declare time markers. They're all throughout the book. 1 Cor. is not a symbolic book of visions like Rev. We have the time markers of Paul's lifetime, the church of Corinth, 15:20 which tells us Christ had already risen at the time of Paul's writing and Paul tells us in 15:23-24 that Christ had already resurrected, His people will resurrect at His coming (He only comes back once), then cometh the end.

Jesus knew you would try and make lies of His Word so He preached HIMSELF, live to the people, Matthew 24:29-31 which tells us the exact same thing. If that wasn't enough (and He knew it wouldn't be) He inspired Peter to tell us in 2 Peter 3 that when Jesus returns, it will be the Day of the Lord, Wrath of God, and all will be destroyed. 2 Peter 3:10 There are multiple other passages from other books that corroborate as well.

After that, Jesus' kingdom is turned over to the Father. All enemies are destroyed and death and hell are gone. 1 Corinthians 15:24-27

No post-resurrection Millennium fairy tale.
 

GEN2REV

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Revelation 20 presents two resurrections separated by a thousand years.
Right back to Rev. 20; your go-to failure of a proof chapter.

Show us the verse that contains the words Second Resurrection in that chapter.

Verse 5-6 introduce ONE resurrection.

Verse 12 carries on with details about the events after that one resurrection.

You are still fooled, and perpetuating the fooling of others, by believing Rev. is linear. It is not. The entire book jumps all over the place; going back and forth along the timeline. Describing one event, then jumping back to a previously discussed event.
 
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Right back to Rev. 20; your go-to failure of a proof chapter.

Shame on you. No part of the bible is a "failure". No wonder most Amills hate the book of Revelation. The first known one didn't want the book canonized.
 

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For those who don't know ...

The vast majority of Pre-Mils on this forum don't necessarily believe that Pre-Millennialism is sound doctrine. The Truth is ... they desperately need it to be accepted as such.

Why in the world would that be?

It's because they are here to push the most popular doctrines being preached everywhere today. One of which is OSAS/Eternal Security. If Amil is true, and Pre-Mil is false, then, like toppling dominoes, OSAS falls in its legitimacy right behind Pre-Mil.

How is that?

If there is no 1,000 year period after Christ's return, and no Second Resurrection for the punishment of the wicked, that means that it is Christians who make up the whole of the resurrection that happens at Christ's return. And (the part OSAS desperately can't afford) that means that it is Christians who will be judged and condemned to damnation.

Look at this verse again in light of these points.
John 5:28-29
One resurrection, two outcomes.

And, if it is not the wicked unbelieving that are being resurrected to damnation there (OSAS/Pre-Mil says they don't resurrect til 1,000 years after Christ's return), that means it can only be Christians; believers who lived unrighteously.

See, OSAS simply cannot allow for that possibility. Christians just can't possibly be lost, no way - no how. So the doctrine dreamed up by John Nelson Darby in the 1830's (very recently) HAD to be embraced and employed to blind the masses to the dangers of Christians not living righteously.

Thus, we have a majority of Christendom today teaching, and embracing, this completely ridiculous false doctrine.

More importantly, though, we can see that Christians clearly DO become damned after resurrection if they do not live as God and His Word tells us to live.

If you didn't know, .... now ya know.
 
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For those who don't know ...

The vast majority of Pre-Mils on this forum don't necessarily believe that Pre-Millennialism is sound doctrine.


None of this post is true. It's just typical Amillennial propaganda.
 

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That seems to describe you. But, if you're so knowledgeable then I'm sure you can tell me plainly who or what the beast is and what it means for the beast to be in the abyss/bottomless pit and how it will ascend from the abyss in the future. So, please enlighten us on that.

You mean what ewq1938 said about the Revelation beast is what I believe too? Yeah, that's right. He and I agree on that, simply because that is what the Revelation Scripture is showing.

Would you like to actually converse about those Revelation Scriptures, or do you want to keep showing your lack of manners, and... lack of education, by smarting off at me? You start by presenting the Scriptures you're having trouble with, and then I will be glad to show you.
 

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12. The dragon (satan) is bound in the pit once he is kicked out of heaven.

Amillennialism sometimes teaches that he is cast into the pit after being kicked out of heaven yet Revelation 12 does not show this at all.

Revelation 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
Revelation 12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
Revelation 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
Revelation 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
Revelation 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
Revelation 12:13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.
Revelation 12:14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
Revelation 12:15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.
Revelation 12:16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.
Revelation 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

No being bound and imprisoned in the pit in the passage. No new reduction or restriction placed upon Satan in the slightest in fact he is seen to be more active and more destructive than ever. Not only does he make war against the saints, Revelation 11, 13 shows that he overcomes and kills them! Clearly Satan is not bound and imprisoned after he is kicked out of heaven.
 

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12. The dragon (satan) is bound in the pit once he is kicked out of heaven.

Amillennialism sometimes teaches that he is cast into the pit after being kicked out of heaven yet Revelation 12 does not show this at all.

Revelation 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
Revelation 12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
Revelation 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
Revelation 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
Revelation 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
Revelation 12:13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.
Revelation 12:14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
Revelation 12:15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.
Revelation 12:16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.
Revelation 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

No being bound and imprisoned in the pit in the passage. No new reduction or restriction placed upon Satan in the slightest in fact he is seen to be more active and more destructive than ever. Not only does he make war against the saints, Revelation 11, 13 shows that he overcomes and kills them! Clearly Satan is not bound and imprisoned after he is kicked out of heaven.
The war in heaven happened before the Garden of Eden.

1 Corinthians 15:25-27 says the devil, and all enemies of God, are dealt with at Christ's return.

And your Rev. 20 says that the devil is only bound from deceiving the nations to war against God until shortly before Christ's return when He comes to deal with the evil uprising. Many believe that to be the Great Tribulation period right before Christ's return.
 

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Verses?The burden of proof is on Pre-Mils. All I have to prove is that there is other, much more reliable, Scripture that gives very similar details of events to Rev. 20. Therefore, since Rev. 20 is its only source for Pre-Mil doctrine, that argument falls apart. There is plenty of other passages, outside of Rev., that support 1 Cor. 15 20-27.

Paul doesn't have to declare time markers. They're all throughout the book. 1 Cor. is not a symbolic book of visions like Rev. We have the time markers of Paul's lifetime, the church of Corinth, 15:20 which tells us Christ had already risen at the time of Paul's writing and Paul tells us in 15:23-24 that Christ had already resurrected, His people will resurrect at His coming (He only comes back once), then cometh the end.

Jesus knew you would try and make lies of His Word so He preached HIMSELF, live to the people, Matthew 24:29-31 which tells us the exact same thing. If that wasn't enough (and He knew it wouldn't be) He inspired Peter to tell us in 2 Peter 3 that when Jesus returns, it will be the Day of the Lord, Wrath of God, and all will be destroyed. 2 Peter 3:10 There are multiple other passages from other books that corroborate as well.

After that, Jesus' kingdom is turned over to the Father. All enemies are destroyed and death and hell are gone. 1 Corinthians 15:24-27

No post-resurrection Millennium fairy tale.
Yet you are the one ignorant of Peter's point that the Lord's Day equals 1,000 years.
 

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For those who don't know ...

The vast majority of Pre-Mils on this forum don't necessarily believe that Pre-Millennialism is sound doctrine. The Truth is ... the desperately need it to be accepted as such.

Why in the world would that be?

It's because they are here to push the most popular doctrines being preached everywhere today. One of which is OSAS/Eternal Security. If Amil is true, and Pre-Mil is false, then, like toppling dominoes, OSAS falls in its legitimacy right behind Pre-Mil.

How is that?

If there is no 1,000 year period after Christ's return, and no Second Resurrection for the punishment of the wicked, that means that it is Christians who make up the whole of the resurrection that happens at Christ's return. And (the part OSAS desperately can't afford) that means that it is Christians who will be judged and condemned to damnation.

Look at this verse again in light of these points.
John 5:28-29
One resurrection, two outcomes.

And, if it is not the wicked unbelieving that are being resurrected to damnation there (OSAS/Pre-Mil says they don't resurrect til 1,000 years after Christ's return), that means it can only be Christians; believers who lived unrighteously.

See, OSAS simply cannot allow for that possibility. Christians just can't possibly be lost, no way - no how. So the doctrine dreamed up by John Nelson Darby in the 1830's (very recently) HAD to be embraced and employed to blind the masses to the dangers of Christians not living righteously.

Thus, we have a majority of Christendom today teaching, and embracing, this completely ridiculous false doctrine.

More importantly, though, we can see that Christians clearly DO become damned after resurrection if they do not live as God and His Word tells us to live.

If you didn't know, .... now ya know.
I still reject your imagination in regards to all these imagined opinions, that you have burdened yourself with. I don't even agree with these trumped up personal opinions that you have rattling around in your head.

Sounds like you are having an imaginary conflict going on there.
 

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The war in heaven happened before the Garden of Eden.

1 Corinthians 15:25-27 says the devil, and all enemies of God, are dealt with at Christ's return.

And your Rev. 20 says that the devil is only bound from deceiving the nations to war against God until shortly before Christ's return when He comes to deal with the evil uprising. Many believe that to be the Great Tribulation period right before Christ's return.
So Satan's time was short at creation, and Satan has been out of the picture since tempting Eve?


I doubt most Amil even accept that point. How did Satan get involved in Job, if kicked out hundreds of years earlier?
 
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Not the Revelation 12 war which took place years after Christ's ascension.
But wait!!

The Wrath of God, Day of the Lord happened in Rev. 6!!!

Oh, and all time came to an end in Rev. 10!!!

Yep, you've sure got Revelation down pat.

You're good.

No, I mean it. You're really good.

Can't get anything past you!
 

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But wait!!

The Wrath of God, Day of the Lord happened in Rev. 6!!!

Oh, and all time came to an end in Rev. 10!!!

Yep, you've sure got Revelation down pat.

You're good.

No, I mean it. You're really good.

Can't get anything past you!


You are talking about yourself.
 

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(Each of these issues have been presented in threads in various forums by people who believe in Amillennialism. These may or may not be held by every individual of that doctrine.)

If any one of these are true, then you can be assured that Amillennialism is faulty and should be rejected as a theological doctrine.

Each person who believes in Amillennialism is a good person with good intent regarding scriptural interpretation but Premillennialism very much disagrees with their doctrine, their way of interpretation, and their exegesis of various scriptures. In this list you will see many problems the Amillennial doctrine contains.


1. Time no longer theory

Revelation 10:6 And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:

The "time will stop existing" theory is based on misunderstanding some translations archaic wording. Here "time no longer" simply means there will no longer be a delay before certain events begin to occur not that time somehow actually stops.

Revelation 22:2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

Scripture never claims that time ends, in fact the eternity is never ending time with a new fruit on the tree of life every month (30 days of time).

Eph 3:21 Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen.

World here is AION which is an age or period of time. Usually it speaks of an everlasting period of time. Here the verse not only uses AION but adds "without end" to make clear that time never ends.

Barnes:

“time shall be no longer” - means properly, according to Robinson (Lexicon), “yet, still”; implying:
(1) Duration - as spoken of the present time; of the present in allusion to the past, and, with a negative, no more, no longer;
(2) Implying accession, addition, yet, more, further, besides. According to Buttmann, Grammatical section 149, vol. i. p. 430, it means, when alone, “yet still, yet further; and with a negative, no more, no further.” The particle occurs often in the New Testament, as may be seen in the Concordance. It is more frequently rendered “yet” than by any other word (compare Mat_12:46; Mat_17:5; Mat_19:20; Mat_26:47; Mat_27:63; Mar_5:35; Mar_8:17; Mar_12:6; Mar_14:43 - and so in the other Gospels, the Acts , and the Epistles); in all, 50 times. In the Book of Revelation it is only once rendered “yet,” Revelation_6:11, but is rendered “more” in Revelation_3:12; Revelation_7:16; Revelation_9:12; Revelation_12:8; Revelation_18:21-22 (three times), Revelation_18:23 (twice); Revelation_20:3; Revelation_21:1, Revelation_21:4 (twice); “longer” in Revelation_10:6; “still” in Revelation_22:11 (four times). The usage, therefore, will justify the rendering of the word by “yet,” and in connection with the negative, “not yet” - meaning that the thing referred to would not occur immediately, but would be hereafter. In regard to the general meaning, then, of this passage in its connection, we may remark:
(a) That it cannot mean, literally, that there would be time no longer, or that the world would then come to an end absolutely, for the speaker proceeds to disclose events that would occur after that, extending far into time future Revelation_10:11, and the detail that follows Revelation. 11 before the sounding of the seventh trumpet is such as to occupy a considerable period, and the seventh trumpet is also yet to sound. No fair construction of the language, therefore, would require us to understand this as meaning that the affairs of the world were then to terminate.

Clarke:

That there should be time no longer - That the great counsels relative to the events already predicted should be immediately fulfilled, and that there should be no longer delay.

E.W. Bullinger:

Literally that time shall be no longer. i.e. no more delay in executing final vengeance. See Revelation_6:10, Revelation_6:11.



Other translations:


(ASV) and sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created the heaven and the things that are therein, and the earth and the things that are therein, and the sea and the things that are therein, that there shall be delay no longer:

(BBE) And took his oath by him who is living for ever and ever, who made the heaven and the things in it, and the earth and the things in it, and the sea and the things in it, that there would be no more waiting:

(CEV) He made a promise in the name of God who lives forever and who created heaven, earth, the sea, and every living creature. The angel said, "You won't have to wait any longer.

(Darby) and swore by him that lives to the ages of ages, who created the heaven and the things that are in it, and the earth and the things that are in it, and the sea and the things that are in it, that there should be no longer delay;

(EMTV) and swore by Him who lives forever and ever, who created the heaven and the things in it, the earth and the things in it, and the sea and the things in it, that there should be no more delay;

(ERV) The angel made a promise by the power of the one who lives forever and ever. He is the one who made the skies and all that is in them. He made the earth and all that is in it, and he made the sea and all that is in it. The angel said, "There will be no more waiting!

(ESV) and swore by him who lives forever and ever, who created heaven and what is in it, the earth and what is in it, and the sea and what is in it, that there would be no more delay,

(GNB) and took a vow in the name of God, who lives forever and ever, who created heaven, earth, and the sea, and everything in them. The angel said, "There will be no more delay!

(GW) He swore an oath by the one who lives forever and ever, who created heaven and everything in it, the earth and everything in it, and the sea and everything in it. He said, "There will be no more delay.

(ISV) He swore an oath by the one who lives forever and ever, who created heaven and everything in it, the earth and everything in it, and the sea and everything in it: "There will be no more delay.

(LEB) and swore by the one who lives [forever and ever], who created heaven and the things in it, and the earth and the things in it, and the sea and the things in it, "There will be no more delay!

(TLV) and swore by the One who lives forever and ever, who created heaven and what is in it, the earth and what is in it, the sea and what is in it, that there would be no more delay.

(TPT) and swore an oath by him who lives for an eternity of eternities, the Creator of heaven and earth and sea and all that is in them: No more delay!

(WEB) and swore by him who lives forever and ever, who created heaven and the things that are in it, the earth and the things that are in it, and the sea and the things that are in it, that there will no longer be delay,

(WEBA) and swore by him who lives forever and ever, who created heaven and the things that are in it, the earth and the things that are in it, and the sea and the things that are in it, that there will no longer be delay,

(Williams) and swore by Him who lives forever and ever, who created the heavens and all that they contain, the earth and all that it contains, and the sea and all that it contains, that there should be no more delay,
As a Hybrid* Amillennialst myself, by His Spirit, I percieve a few fundamental facts about your erroneous approach towards the Scriptures.
*(Hybrid- an updated understanding of the fundamental Amillennial view. John 16:13 "...HE will show you things to come".)

1. 1Cor.2[5] That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but [rather] in the power of God.

2. Isa.55[8] For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.

3. Zech.4[6] Then he answered and spake unto me, saying, This is the word of the LORD unto Zerubbabel, saying, Not by might [self willed effort], nor by power [religious persuasion],
but by my spirit, saith the LORD of hosts.
John.16[13] Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

4. You don't know who the two witnesses WERE.
Zech.4[14] Then said he, These are the two anointed ones, that stand by [for] the LORD of the whole earth. Zech.4:7-14.

5. The book of Revelation is from the Mind of God the Father, who thinks and speaks in the past, the present and the future, all at the same.

The book of Revelation should not be interpreted or understood in a chronological manner, but rather "by My spirit, saith the LORD of hosts."
 
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The book of Revelation should not be interpreted or understood in a chronological manner, but rather "by My spirit, saith the LORD of hosts."
The post was doing fine until this personal opinion that totally upended the point you were trying to make. The Spirit would not make a claim that changes the nature of the Word. Stating a chronological order may or may not be the Spirit's intent. But you phrase it as a command: The book of Revelation should not be interpreted or understood in a chronological manner."

Art thou commanded to make commands? If not, this is just your opinion as much as a poster pointing out the chronological order is just fine without any human intervention, helping out the Spirit. The verse you quoted pointed out human help was not required. Your opinion is still your might and your power. The point you made still only just your personal opinion.

Also there are 4 witnesses: 2 olive trees and 2 lampstands. I am sure the two olive trees were covered in the OT. The 2 lampstands?