Paul taught that revelation 20:4 is a present reality

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Then John says “that the souls of those killed for Christ lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years”. Thus the dead came back to life just like Paul said that he was “made alive with Christ”

The Revelation 20:4 verse GOES WITH THE PREVIOUS VERSES. You cannot just skip and pull out a single verse and apply whatever meaning to you want. You MUST keep to the actual Scripture flow and context. And we KNOW the devil is NOT YET locked in his pit prison for that thousand years, but is still able to roam the earth and devour whom he will, like Apostle Peter said.

Furthermore, for those dead saints to COME BACK TO LIFE, that means the FUTURE RESURRECTION, not just talking about being saved! And Apostle Paul rebuked some among the Church at Corinth because they were saying there is no resurrection of the dead (1 Corinthians 15:12 KJV). In 2 Timothy 2, Apostle Paul even rebuked two disciples that were saying the resurrection was already past (2 Timothy 2:17-18).

Then Paul said (while still alive on earth)“ God raised us up with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus,” Thus while Paul is still alive on earth he is also seated with Christ in the heavenly realms. This is spiritual but also giving the saints hope that they will still live even though they physically die.

Meant spiritually for this present world. We are not 'literally' seated with Christ on His throne. Jesus has not even inherited His throne yet today, for He is to inherit David's throne, which is an EARTHLY throne. This is why in most of the Scriptures Jesus is shown today sitting on the 'right hand' of The Father's throne in Heaven (Luke 22:69 Jesus saying that Himself).

John said this about the dead “ And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them,” then John also said about these dead people “they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years”

Thus the coming back to life is spiritual on earth and in heaven. Paul claims that he was fulfilling what John saw.

That's Christ's promise in the FUTURE to His elect, like His 12 Apostles who are 'already' promised that each one of them will sit upon a throne judging over the 12 tribes of Israel (Matthew 19:28). Even in Revelation 3:21 Jesus is promising that for the overcomers, which means at the end of this present world when He returns.

Even the following Revelation 20:6 verse tells you of that future resurrection and awarding of thrones to His elect that will rule with Him in the future thousand years...

Rev 20:6
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.
KJV


So to say that already happened, or is already happening today, is to commit great error in God's written Word.

Even this is about that future award to Christ's elect overcomers at the time of the future resurrection...

Rev 5:9-10
9 And they sung a new song, saying, "Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for Thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by Thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;


10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

KJV

Are you already a 'king' sitting upon a throne literally, reigning over the nations with Christ? NOPE! Not yet you aren't, none of us are yet.
 

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The Revelation 20:4 verse GOES WITH THE PREVIOUS VERSES. You cannot just skip and pull out a single verse and apply whatever meaning to you want. You MUST keep to the actual Scripture flow and context. And we KNOW the devil is NOT YET locked in his pit prison for that thousand years, but is still able to roam the earth and devour whom he will, like Apostle Peter said.

I believe Peter was referring to apostate Israel.
 

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The Revelation 20:4 verse GOES WITH THE PREVIOUS VERSES. You cannot just skip and pull out a single verse and apply whatever meaning to you want. You MUST keep to the actual Scripture flow and context. And we KNOW the devil is NOT YET locked in his pit prison for that thousand years, but is still able to roam the earth and devour whom he will, like Apostle Peter said.

Furthermore, for those dead saints to COME BACK TO LIFE, that means the FUTURE RESURRECTION, not just talking about being saved! And Apostle Paul rebuked some among the Church at Corinth because they were saying there is no resurrection of the dead (1 Corinthians 15:12 KJV). In 2 Timothy 2, Apostle Paul even rebuked two disciples that were saying the resurrection was already past (2 Timothy 2:17-18).



Meant spiritually for this present world. We are not 'literally' seated with Christ on His throne. Jesus has not even inherited His throne yet today, for He is to inherit David's throne, which is an EARTHLY throne. This is why in most of the Scriptures Jesus is shown today sitting on the 'right hand' of The Father's throne in Heaven (Luke 22:69 Jesus saying that Himself).
That is not correct. Peter taught that Jesus inherited David's throne upon His resurrection from the dead.

Acts 2:29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day. 30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; 31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption. 32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. 33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear. 34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, 35 Until I make thy foes thy footstool. 36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

This is very clear. Peter indicated that God had promised to David that He would raise someone up in his lineage to his (David's) throne. And then it says he (David) seeing this (someone from his lineage inheriting his throne) spake (prophesied) of the resurrection of Christ. Peter was clearly equating the RAISING UP of Christ to sit on David's throne to the RAISING UP of Christ from the dead. He later said that "God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ". Him being made Lord signified that He had been raised up to sit on David's throne. He is the King! And we are in His kingdom. How can any Christian not recognize that?

Even the following Revelation 20:6 verse tells you of that future resurrection and awarding of thrones to His elect that will rule with Him in the future thousand years...

Rev 20:6
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.
KJV


So to say that already happened, or is already happening today, is to commit great error in God's written Word.
No, it is not. You are the one committing great error in God's written word. You are not reading that verse carefully enough.

Tell me, does the second death have power over us now or over the souls of the dead in Christ in heaven? No. Do we have to be bodily resurrected in order for the second death to not have power over us? No. Are we not already priests of God and of Christ? Yes, we are, as the following indicates:

Revelation 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, 6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

So, other scripture talks about what is referenced in Revelation 20:6 as being a current reality including Christ being the King and already reigning "over the kings of the earth". Why are you ignoring that? Seems like doctrinal bias is the only reason.

Even this is about that future award to Christ's elect overcomers at the time of the future resurrection...

Rev 5:9-10
9 And they sung a new song, saying, "Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for Thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by Thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;


10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

KJV

Are you already a 'king' sitting upon a throne literally, reigning over the nations with Christ? NOPE! Not yet you aren't, none of us are yet.
I am a priest in Christ's kingdom right now and so are you. We are part of a "royal priesthood" (1 Peter 2:9) and, as Revelation 1:5-6, indicates we have already been made "kings and priests unto God and his Father". Why did you not reference Revelation 1:5-6 when interpreting Revelation 20:6 and Revelation 5:9-10? Seems rather convenient for you to ignore that passage.
 

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That is not correct. Peter taught that Jesus inherited David's throne upon His resurrection from the dead.

Acts 2:29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day. 30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; 31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption. 32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. 33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear. 34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, 35 Until I make thy foes thy footstool. 36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

This is very clear. Peter indicated that God had promised to David that He would raise someone up in his lineage to his (David's) throne. And then it says he (David) seeing this (someone from his lineage inheriting his throne) spake (prophesied) of the resurrection of Christ. Peter was clearly equating the RAISING UP of Christ to sit on David's throne to the RAISING UP of Christ from the dead. He later said that "God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ". Him being made Lord signified that He had been raised up to sit on David's throne. He is the King! And we are in His kingdom. How can any Christian not recognize that?

No, it is not. You are the one committing great error in God's written word. You are not reading that verse carefully enough.

Tell me, does the second death have power over us now or over the souls of the dead in Christ in heaven? No. Do we have to be bodily resurrected in order for the second death to not have power over us? No. Are we not already priests of God and of Christ? Yes, we are, as the following indicates:

Revelation 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, 6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

So, other scripture talks about what is referenced in Revelation 20:6 as being a current reality including Christ being the King and already reigning "over the kings of the earth". Why are you ignoring that? Seems like doctrinal bias is the only reason.

I am a priest in Christ's kingdom right now and so are you. We are part of a "royal priesthood" (1 Peter 2:9) and, as Revelation 1:5-6, indicates we have already been made "kings and priests unto God and his Father". Why did you not reference Revelation 1:5-6 when interpreting Revelation 20:6 and Revelation 5:9-10? Seems rather convenient for you to ignore that passage.

Amen brother great post
 

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That is not correct. Peter taught that Jesus inherited David's throne upon His resurrection from the dead.

Acts 2:29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day. 30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; 31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption. 32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. 33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear. 34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, 35 Until I make thy foes thy footstool. 36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

This is very clear. Peter indicated that God had promised to David that He would raise someone up in his lineage to his (David's) throne. And then it says he (David) seeing this (someone from his lineage inheriting his throne) spake (prophesied) of the resurrection of Christ. Peter was clearly equating the RAISING UP of Christ to sit on David's throne to the RAISING UP of Christ from the dead. He later said that "God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ". Him being made Lord signified that He had been raised up to sit on David's throne. He is the King! And we are in His kingdom. How can any Christian not recognize that?

No, it is not. You are the one committing great error in God's written word. You are not reading that verse carefully enough.

Tell me, does the second death have power over us now or over the souls of the dead in Christ in heaven? No. Do we have to be bodily resurrected in order for the second death to not have power over us? No. Are we not already priests of God and of Christ? Yes, we are, as the following indicates:

Revelation 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, 6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

So, other scripture talks about what is referenced in Revelation 20:6 as being a current reality including Christ being the King and already reigning "over the kings of the earth". Why are you ignoring that? Seems like doctrinal bias is the only reason.

I am a priest in Christ's kingdom right now and so are you. We are part of a "royal priesthood" (1 Peter 2:9) and, as Revelation 1:5-6, indicates we have already been made "kings and priests unto God and his Father". Why did you not reference Revelation 1:5-6 when interpreting Revelation 20:6 and Revelation 5:9-10? Seems rather convenient for you to ignore that passage.
I guess he just doesn’t acknowledge Him as Lord and king. I think he post something to the nature that he couldn’t be Lord and King until he himself was resurrected.
 

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That is not correct. Peter taught that Jesus inherited David's throne upon His resurrection from the dead.

You haven't corrected anything I said... so far, because I agree Jesus is... to inherit David's throne. That has NOT happened yet, because David's throne is an EARTHLY THRONE, not a Heavenly one. The myth that Jesus has already inherited David's throne pushes MEN'S DOCTRINE that FALSELY ASSUMES David's throne is in Heaven. It isn't.

Here is proof WHEN Jesus comes to inherit David's throne...

Matt 19:28
28 And Jesus said unto them, "Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed Me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of His glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

KJV

We KNOW today that has NOT happened yet. Simply because the 12 tribes of Israel have not yet been gathered to the holy land, NOR are Christ's 12 Apostles sitting upon 12 thrones judging over those 12 tribes yet today! Simple, easy, so easy a 2nd grader can understand it! Thus Jesus tied together in that verse, the time of that "regeneration" with His 12 Apostles sitting upon literal thrones over the gathered 12 tribes of Israel.

This is very clear. Peter indicated that God had promised to David that He would raise someone up in his lineage to his (David's) throne. And then it says he (David) seeing this (someone from his lineage inheriting his throne) spake (prophesied) of the resurrection of Christ. Peter was clearly equating the RAISING UP of Christ to sit on David's throne to the RAISING UP of Christ from the dead. He later said that "God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ". Him being made Lord signified that He had been raised up to sit on David's throne. He is the King! And we are in His kingdom. How can any Christian not recognize that?

You make same error in reading comprehension in that Acts 2 Scripture that many fake preachers make...

Acts 2:29-35
29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.

What's the subject so far? The patriarch David.


30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on His throne;

It does say "His throne", pointing to God's throne, however a little farther down here it points out specifically that Jesus would sit on the RIGHT HAND OF THE FATHER'S THRONE. The Father's Throne is NOT David's throne. So you have to think about that. Can't just say, "there it is" and omit the later Acts 2:33-35 verses.


31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that His soul was not left in hell, neither His flesh did see corruption.
32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.

And that was true, Lord Jesus' flesh body was made a quickening spirit according to 1 Corinthians 15:45. Thus Jesus' flesh never saw corruption (i.e., flesh decay in the grave). And per 1 Peter 3 and 1 Peter 4, Jesus went to the "spirits in prison" at His resurrection, and preached The Gospel to the prisoners in the prison house, an Old Testament prophecy that Jesus would do that, and lead those who believed out of darkness and that prison house (Isaiah 42:7).


33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, He hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.

34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, 'Sit thou on My right hand,
35 Until I make Thy foes Thy footstool.'"
KJV

Now truly, there it is. Jesus is NOW sitting on the right hand of The Father's throne, STILL EXPECTING, UNTIL ALL HIS ENEMIES ARE MADE HIS FOOTSTOOL (also same idea written in Hebrews 10:12-13 and 1 Corinthians 15:25-28).
 

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No, it is not. You are the one committing great error in God's written word. You are not reading that verse carefully enough.

Yes, it is GREAT ERROR to assume that Revelation 20 mention of the "first resurrection" has already happened today!

That idea is completely OPPOSITE of the meaning of that Scripture. And yes, I HAVE READ IT very carefully, like it is written. But by your "carefully" idea you really mean it has to be twisted and conformed to the doctrines of men that you keep, and not how the Scripture is actually written. Like I said to someone else, if this were a study in electronics and you did that with the electronic textbook, you'd probably hurt yourself or others. And just because you may see fake preachers do that is no excuse for you doing it too, if you truly believe Jesus Christ and His Holy Writ.

Tell me, does the second death have power over us now or over the souls of the dead in Christ in heaven? No. Do we have to be bodily resurrected in order for the second death to not have power over us? No. Are we not already priests of God and of Christ? Yes, we are, as the following indicates:

You asking me what the "second death" is? Revelation 20:14 tells you what the "second death" is, doesn't it? What does it say? Do you not believe what it says as written?...

Rev 20:14
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
KJV


And Revelation 20:6 reveals those of the "first resurrection" are not subject to that "second death". So there's you're answer.

But does that mean that "first resurrection" has already LITERALLY happened today, like you're trying... to suggest? No, it has NOT literally happened yet today. Today we still only have the PROMISE of His future Salvation. His Kingdom today is of The SPIRIT only, His Kingdom manifesting on earth at the "twinkling of an eye" with the glory of the resurrection to the "spiritual body" has NOT happened yet for us today. That is STILL to come...

The filth you have been wrongly taught to believe on is to think that TODAY'S PRESENT WORLD is His Perfect Kingdom already, when God's Word declares THIS PRESENT WORLD is preserved unto DESTRUCTION!

2 Peter 3:10-14
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.


11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,


12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?


13 Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of Him in peace, without spot, and blameless.
KJV


This present world God placed in bondage to corruption (Romans 8). This present creation seeks a release from that bondage to corruption that God placed it in. The creation along with us (our spirit) groans inside us seeking for that future glory of the manifestation of the sons of God.

You need to listen to and heed Apostle Paul in 1 Corinthians 15 about the coming 'change' to that future time of glory, and quit listening to those fake preachers whom God did not call, and also that cannot understand His Word:

1 Cor 15:42-54
42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:

43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:

44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

45 And so it is written, 'The first man Adam was made a living soul'; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.

48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.

49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.


51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,


52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.


53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
KJV
 

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You haven't corrected anything I said... so far, because I agree Jesus is... to inherit David's throne. That has NOT happened yet, because David's throne is an EARTHLY THRONE, not a Heavenly one. The myth that Jesus has already inherited David's throne pushes MEN'S DOCTRINE that FALSELY ASSUMES David's throne is in Heaven. It isn't.

Here is proof WHEN Jesus comes to inherit David's throne...

Matt 19:28
28 And Jesus said unto them, "Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed Me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of His glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

KJV

We KNOW today that has NOT happened yet. Simply because the 12 tribes of Israel have not yet been gathered to the holy land, NOR are Christ's 12 Apostles sitting upon 12 thrones judging over those 12 tribes yet today! Simple, easy, so easy a 2nd grader can understand it! Thus Jesus tied together in that verse, the time of that "regeneration" with His 12 Apostles sitting upon literal thrones over the gathered 12 tribes of Israel.



You make same error in reading comprehension in that Acts 2 Scripture that many fake preachers make...

Acts 2:29-35
29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.

What's the subject so far? The patriarch David.


30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on His throne;

It does say "His throne", pointing to God's throne, however a little farther down here it points out specifically that Jesus would sit on the RIGHT HAND OF THE FATHER'S THRONE. The Father's Throne is NOT David's throne. So you have to think about that. Can't just say, "there it is" and omit the later Acts 2:33-35 verses.


31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that His soul was not left in hell, neither His flesh did see corruption.
32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.

And that was true, Lord Jesus' flesh body was made a quickening spirit according to 1 Corinthians 15:45. Thus Jesus' flesh never saw corruption (i.e., flesh decay in the grave). And per 1 Peter 3 and 1 Peter 4, Jesus went to the "spirits in prison" at His resurrection, and preached The Gospel to the prisoners in the prison house, an Old Testament prophecy that Jesus would do that, and lead those who believed out of darkness and that prison house (Isaiah 42:7).


33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, He hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.

34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, 'Sit thou on My right hand,
35 Until I make Thy foes Thy footstool.'"
KJV

Now truly, there it is. Jesus is NOW sitting on the right hand of The Father's throne, STILL EXPECTING, UNTIL ALL HIS ENEMIES ARE MADE HIS FOOTSTOOL (also same idea written in Hebrews 10:12-13 and 1 Corinthians 15:25-28).

Jeremiah 33:14-17
14 “‘The days are coming,’ declares the Lord, ‘when I will fulfill the good promise I made to the people of Israel and Judah.

15 “‘In those days and at that time
I will make a righteous Branch sprout from David’s line;
he will do what is just and right in the land.
16 In those days Judah will be saved
and Jerusalem will live in safety.
This is the name by which it will be called:
The Lord Our Righteous Savior.’

For this is what the LORD says: ‘David will never fail to have a man to sit on the throne of Israel,

If Jesus isn’t sitting on David’s throne now then this verse would of failed
 

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Jeremiah 33:14-17
14 “‘The days are coming,’ declares the Lord, ‘when I will fulfill the good promise I made to the people of Israel and Judah.

15 “‘In those days and at that time
I will make a righteous Branch sprout from David’s line;
he will do what is just and right in the land.
16 In those days Judah will be saved
and Jerusalem will live in safety.
This is the name by which it will be called:
The Lord Our Righteous Savior.’

For this is what the LORD says: ‘David will never fail to have a man to sit on the throne of Israel,

If Jesus isn’t sitting on David’s throne now then this verse would of failed
Is Jerusalem the safest place to live on earth? If not, then this verse is a failure at a fulfilment. Only when the Prince is on earth will Jerusalem be the safest place on earth.
 

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So was Paul wrong when he penned those verses?

Scripture can not contradict scripture
That is about judgments of the Martyrs of ONLY THOSE who refuse the Mark of the Beast and prey tell what does that happen sir? During a 42 month period of the end times.

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them (Church who RETURNED with Jesus): and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

So, how can that be PAST TENSE? You could have just read this and did what I just did. That would have answered your own question.

Now as per Paul's letters being doctrine/scriptures, who says, the RCC? It is merely Paul's letters as a Pastor, never meant to be thus saith he lord or doctrine.

We can learn from them but they were never intended to be thus saith the Lord scriptures.
 

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Is Jerusalem the safest place to live on earth? If not, then this verse is a failure at a fulfilment. Only when the Prince is on earth will Jerusalem be the safest place on earth.

Whenever it seams that scripture is a failure then the interpretation is wrong.

The context in this section is the first advent when Jesus walked the earth and in verse 16 you will see that Jerusalem is called “the Lord our righteous saviour”. Don’t you see this Jerusalem is the church the new Jerusalem true Israel?

Galatians 4:24-26
24 These things are being taken figuratively: The women represent two covenants. One covenant is from Mount Sinai and bears children who are to be slaves: This is Hagar. 25 Now Hagar stands for Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present city of Jerusalem, because she is in slavery with her children. 26 But the Jerusalem that is above is free, and she is our mother.

Paul talks of the Jerusalem from above as a current reality.
 
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Revelation 20:4
4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years.


In the verses below Paul spoke in current and past tense stating that we even though alive have been already seated with Christ spiritually thus we reign on thrones with Jesus now


Ephesians 2:4-6

4 But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy,
5 made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions—it is by grace you have been saved.
6 And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus,

Paul was not given the revelation of Jesus Christ. He had died before it was given to John.
Jesus chose John to write what he wrote and deliver it to who he delivered it. And John did as he was commanded to do. The task of prophecying those events were given to John, not Paul.
 

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Paul was not given the revelation of Jesus Christ. He had died before it was given to John.
Jesus chose John to write what he wrote and deliver it to who he delivered it. And John did as he was commanded to do. The task of prophecying those events were given to John, not Paul.


Yet Paul wrote about the antichrist by the term "man of sin" and said he would use miracles to deceive, the same as found in Revelation 13 and then there was Daniel and his little horn.
 

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Yet Paul wrote about the antichrist by the term "man of sin" and said he would use miracles to deceive, the same as found in Revelation 13 and then there was Daniel and his little horn.

The little horn I would agree as being antichrist. The little nation of Israel (little horn) is definitely antichrist. The kingdom shall be taken from that antichrist nation and given to the saints.

Daniel 7:18 But the saints of the Most High will receive the kingdom and possess it forever--yes, forever and ever.'
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Matthew 21:43 Therefore I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people who will produce its fruit.

The man of sin Paul was speaking about is the king of the north in Daniel 11.Theres nothing little about the king of the north. He will provide Israel with an army. Paul could have read many things the former prophets had written for Paul himself was a learned pharisee but Paul was not given the revelation of Jesus Christ.

Revelation 1:1 This is the revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servants what must soon come to pass. He made it known by sending His angel to His servant John,
 
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The little horn I would agree as being antichrist. The little nation of Israel (little horn) is definitely antichrist. The kingdom shall be taken from that antichrist nation and given to the saints.

Daniel 7:18 But the saints of the Most High will receive the kingdom and possess it forever--yes, forever and ever.'
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Matthew 21:43 Therefore I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people who will produce its fruit.

The man of sin Paul was speaking about is the king of the north in Daniel 11.Theres nothing little about the king of the north. He will provide Israel with an army. Paul could have read many things the former prophets had written for Paul himself was a learned pharisee but Paul was not given the revelation of Jesus Christ.

Revelation 1:1 This is the revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servants what must soon come to pass. He made it known by sending His angel to His servant John,

The term antichrist is only in the bible four times and not ever mentioned in Revelation. The biblical description and the purpose of the antichrist is nothing at all like the little horn or the man of sin or even the sea beast of revelation.

The only writer in the bible to mention the term antichrist is John who also wrote revelation. Do you ever wonder why he didn’t use the term antichrist in revelation?
 
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The term antichrist is only in the bible four times and not ever mentioned in Revelation. The biblical description and the purpose of the antichrist is nothing at all like the little horn or the man of sin or even the sea beast of revelation.

The only writer in the bible to mention the term antichrist is John who also wrote revelation. Do you ever wonder why he didn’t use the term antichrist in revelation?


Because the antichrist has many names not just "Antichrist". He is called the little horn, man of sin, that Wicked and the false prophet.
 

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The term antichrist is only in the bible four times and not ever mentioned in Revelation. The biblical description and the purpose of the antichrist is nothing at all like the little horn or the man of sin or even the sea beast of revelation.

The only writer in the bible to mention the term antichrist is John who also wrote revelation. Do you ever wonder why he didn’t use the term antichrist in revelation?

I understand very well what John said about an antichrist. But because I know what the little horn is and what it believes and claims, I can say with certainty the little horn is antichrist.
 

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I understand very well what John said about an antichrist. But because I know what the little horn is and what it believes and claims, I can say with certainty the little horn is antichrist.

Look up the only 4 verses in the entire bible with the term antichrist which John writes in his epistles and you will see that the little horn is nothing like what John says that its purpose and character is
 

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Because the antichrist has many names not just "Antichrist". He is called the little horn, man of sin, that Wicked and the false prophet.

But that is nothing like what John says that the antichrist is. The sea beast of revelation is a very different description than the antichrist
 

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Look up the only 4 verses in the entire bible with the term antichrist which John writes in his epistles and you will see that the little horn is nothing like what John says that its purpose and character is

I understand the little horns character. I know what the little horn is and how it thinks. I read the news often to see what the little horn is doing.
It won't be long before the little horn starts imprisoning the saints and killing them.
It's only a matter of time.