"If you love me, you will keep my commandments."

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GEN2REV

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Jesus' New Covenant is explained in post #240
John 16:13
However when He, the Spirit of truth has come, He will guide you into all truth.
Yes. Remember that.
Gen2Rev, if we are not under law today then how do Christian's or the lost sin today?
Funny you should ask that. Apparently the Law that it's speaking of there in 1 John 3:4 is the 10 Commandments.

You, yourself, claim we are not still under Law, yet that verse exists, doesn't it? Therefore either we are still under Law (which we're not), or some part of the Law MUST still exist if John says sin "IS" the breaking of the Law. That means present in his day, and in ours currently.

Clearly, it is the breaking of the Commandments of God and you must now go back to the drawing board and figure out what your church taught you that was wrong. Because the 10 Commandments are still, and always will be, relevant.

As that verse you were referring to proves.
1 John 3:4
 

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Hebrews 8:7 is speaking of what Moses received on the mountain.
You know what Moses received on the mountain!

Hebrews 8:5
Who serve the copy and shadow of the heavenly things as Moses was divinely instructed when he was about to make the tabernacle. For He said, See that you make all things according to the pattern shown to you on the mountain.

Hebrews 8 is teaching about the ten commandments where Moses was when he received them ie on the mountain!

Hebrews 8:13
In that He says, A new covenant, He had made the FIRST OBSOLETE AND GROWING OLD IS READY TO VANISH AWAY.

You do err when you claim Hebrews 8 is not teaching the end of the 10 commandments.
btw, the 10 commandments were only for the nation of Israel.
 

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“If you love me, you will keep my commandments.” John 14:15 RSV

I think some people would object to this statement made by Jesus. Was Jesus ever wrong about anything?

I remember thinking about this verse: I have anger in my heart that is to have murdered according to my Lord. I can’t even go one day without murdering strangers in rush hour traffic or my family members. So either I do not love God or I need to read it as a promise, or both. I think it’s a promise of what He can, and will, do if I continue to trust Him. I have no idea HOW on earth He will do it but I believe Him. I just kept insisting on trust and He did it. Not immediately. He did it by calming my passions. One day, after reminding Him I lacked love for the umpteenth time and that I was supposed to ask for what I saw I lacked and that I would keep trusting Him and waiting, He somehow put my passions under my feet.
 

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the 10 commandments were only for the nation of Israel.
No, see, they weren't.

Take a look at what Scripture has to say about it.

"That He may establish thee today for a people unto Himself, and that He may be unto thee a God, as He hath said unto thee, and as He hath sworn unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob.

Neither with you only do I make this covenant and this oath; But with him that standeth here with us this day (the stranger, not Israel) before the Lord our God, and also with him that is not here with us this day (all others who would EVER come to know the Lord and His Commandments - FOREVER): ..."
Deuteronomy 29:13-15
 
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The old covenant with the Jews was never intended to be a lasting arrangement. It was only temporary,
2Corinthians 3:11
Romans 7:4
Romans 7:6
Ephesians 2:15
Colossians 2:14
Hebrews 10:9


The change in priesthood proves there has been a change in law,
Hebrews 7:12
For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of law.

Gen2Rev, you are cursed,
Galatians 3:10

All Hebrews 8:7 is saying is that the old way of obeying the Commandments out of our own strength, and sacrificing animals when we slip up, was a flawed system
 
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The old covenant with the Jews was never intended to be a lasting arrangement. It was only temporary,
2Corinthians 3:11
Romans 7:4
Romans 7:6
Ephesians 2:15
Colossians 2:14
Hebrews 10:9


The change in priesthood proves there has been a change in law,
Hebrews 7:12
For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of law.

Gen2Rev, you are cursed,
Galatians 3:10
Ok, ok. Enough with the cursing.
 

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All Hebrews 8:7 is saying is that the old way of obeying the Commandments out of our own strength, and sacrificing animals when we slip up, was a flawed system.
Almost.
The New Covenant forgives what the old covenant could not:

"39Through Him (Jesus) everyone who believes is justified from everything you could not be justified from by the law of Moses. " Acts of the Apostles 13:39
 
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“If you love me, you will keep my commandments.” John 14:15 RSV

I think some people would object to this statement made by Jesus. Was Jesus ever wrong about anything?
Amen this is my favorite topic in the bible on the christian life.

1 Corinthians 13
If I speak in the tongues of men or of angels, but do not have love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. 2 If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. 3 If I give all I possess to the poor and give over my body to hardship that I may boast, but do not have love, I gain nothing.

4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.

8 Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. 9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10 but when completeness comes, what is in part disappears. 11 When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put the ways of childhood behind me. 12 For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.

13 And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.



Galatians 5:22-26
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. 24 Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25 Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit. 26 Let us not become conceited, provoking and envying each other.

1 John 2
And by this we know that we have come to know him, if we keep his commandments. 4 Whoever says “I know him” but does not keep his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him, 5 but whoever keeps his word, in him truly the love of God is perfected. By this we may know that we are in him: 6 whoever says he abides in him ought to walk in the same way in which he walked.

Whoever says he is in the light and hates his brother is still in darkness. 10 Whoever loves his brother abides in the light, and in him there is no cause for stumbling. 11 But whoever hates his brother is in the darkness and walks in the darkness, and does not know where he is going, because the darkness has blinded his eyes.

If you know that he is righteous, you may be sure that everyone who practices righteousness has been born of him.

1 John 3
Everyone who makes a practice of sinning also practices lawlessness; sin is lawlessness. 5 You know that he appeared in order to take away sins, and in him there is no sin. 6 No one who abides in him keeps on sinning; no one who keeps on sinning has either seen him or known him. 7 Little children, let no one deceive you. Whoever practices righteousness is righteous, as he is righteous. 8 Whoever makes a practice of sinning is of the devil, for the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the works of the devil. 9 No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God's seed abides in him; and he cannot keep on sinning, because he has been born of God. 10 By this it is evident who are the children of God, and who are the children of the devil: whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is the one who does not love his brother.

1 John 4
If anyone says, “I love God,” and hates his brother, he is a liar; for he who does not love his brother whom he has seen cannot love God whom he has not seen. 21 And this commandment we have from him: whoever loves God must also love his brother.

1 John 5
Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ has been born of God, and everyone who loves the Father loves whoever has been born of him. 2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and obey his commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments. And his commandments are not burdensome. 4 For everyone who has been born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith


1-Gods unconditional love. How many times do we sin against God and He forgives us our transgressions against Him? Psalm 103:12- He has removed our sins as far from us as the east is from the west. Isaiah 43:25- I, yes I, am He who blots out your transgressions for My own sake and remembers your sins no more.


2- Love is the #1-character trait of a believer. The fruit of the spirit is Love from which all the fruit of the spirit flows. 1 Corinthians 13:2-7 describes love in action.

If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. 3 If I give all I possess to the poor and give over my body to hardship that I may boast, but do not have love, I gain nothing.

4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.


3- Husbands are to love their wives as Christ loved the church and gave Himself up for her. Ephesians 5:25.There are no conditions Jesus places on His bride. Jesus doesn’t hold her sins and unfaithfulness against her. He covers her sin, forgives and protects her.


4- Loving those who love you is not Gods love that is human love. Jesus said in Luke 6:32-33 “If you love those who love you, what credit is that to you? Even sinners love those who love them. And indeed, if you do good to those doing good to you, what credit is it to you? For even sinners do the same. Luke 6:35- But love your enemies, do good to them, and lend to them without expecting to get anything back. Then your reward will be great, and you will be children of the Most High, because he is kind to the ungrateful and wicked.

1 John 4:20- If anyone says, "I love God," but hates his brother, he is a liar. For anyone who does not love his brother, whom he has seen, cannot love God, whom he has not seen.

miseó: to hate

Original Word: μισέω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: miseó
Phonetic Spelling: (mis-eh'-o)
Definition: to hate
Usage: I hate, detest, love less, esteem less. properly, to detest (on a comparative basis); hence, denounce; to love someone or something less than someone (something) else, i.e. to renounce one choice in favor of another.


5- Love covers a multitude of sins, it doesn’t expose sin.

1 Peter 4:8- Above all, keep fervent in your love for one another, because love covers a multitude of sins.

Proverbs 10:12- Hatred stirs up dissension, but love covers all transgressions.

Proverbs 16:28- A perverse man spreads dissension, and a gossip divides close friends.

Proverbs 17:9- Whoever would foster love covers over an offense, but whoever repeats the matter separates close friends.

6- Love forgives as it’s been Forgiven.

Colossians 3:12-17
Therefore, as God’s chosen people, holy and dearly loved, clothe yourselves with compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness and patience. 13 Bear with each other and forgive one another if any of you has a grievance against someone. Forgive as the Lord forgave you. 14 And over all these virtues put on love, which binds them all together in perfect unity.

15 Let the peace of Christ rule in your hearts, since as members of one body you were called to peace. And be thankful. 16 Let the message of Christ dwell among you richly as you teach and admonish one another with all wisdom through psalms, hymns, and songs from the Spirit, singing to God with gratitude in your hearts. 17 And whatever you do, whether in word or deed, do it all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through him.

Ephesians 4:26-32
“In your anger do not sin”: Do not let the sun go down while you are still angry, 27 and do not give the devil a foothold. 28 Anyone who has been stealing must steal no longer, but must work, doing something useful with their own hands, that they may have something to share with those in need.

29 Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen. 30 And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, with whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. 31 Get rid of all bitterness, rage and anger, brawling and slander, along with every form of malice. 32 Be kind and compassionate to one another, forgiving each other, just as in Christ God forgave you.
 

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I remember thinking about this verse: I have anger in my heart that is to have murdered according to my Lord. I can’t even go one day without murdering strangers in rush hour traffic or my family members. So either I do not love God or I need to read it as a promise, or both. I think it’s a promise of what He can, and will, do if I continue to trust Him. I have no idea HOW on earth He will do it but I believe Him. I just kept insisting on trust and He did it. Not immediately. He did it by calming my passions. One day, after reminding Him I lacked love for the umpteenth time and that I was supposed to ask for what I saw I lacked and that I would keep trusting Him and waiting, He somehow put my passions under my feet.
People define "commandment" differently. Some people say everything God or Jesus said was a commandment. But there are ordinances, statutes, decrees, and testimonies also. I define "commandment" as the Ten Commandments plus the two great commandments. The rest of the Bible helps define the commandments. Jesus said this:

“You know the commandments: `Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honor your father and mother.'" Luke 18:20 RSV
 
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The old covenant with the Jews was never intended to be a lasting arrangement. It was only temporary,
2Corinthians 3:11
Romans 7:4
Romans 7:6
Ephesians 2:15
Colossians 2:14
Hebrews 10:9


The change in priesthood proves there has been a change in law,
Hebrews 7:12
For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of law.

Gen2Rev, you are cursed,
Galatians 3:10

The original covenant was with the nation of Israel and the mixed multitude that left Egypt with them. It was for everyone. Deuteronomy 31:12 says everyone is to hear and obey the Law. YHVH said the covenant is everlasting. If he can change his mind about it, then he can't be trusted. He could decide to NOT fulfill those promises. What is there to stop him?

2 Corinthians 3:11 is referring to the "administration of the Law." The face of Moses was glowing when he brought the Law down the mountain. That Law contained the blessings for obedience and the curse for disobedience. That was a glorious moment for all Israel. It is more glorious now that we have been redeemed from the curse. Now, we are not actively cursed for our disobedience. But, we will be actively blessed if we obey.

Romans 7:4-6 MUST include the first 3 verses of the chapter. As long as a man lives, if he divorces his wife and she marries another, she is considered an adulteress until her ex-husband dies. The Bride of the Messiah started out as the Bride of YHVH. They cheated on him and he divorced them. They are not free to marry again until their husband dies. Nor can they return to their former husband. Israel cheated on YHVH.

Jesus died. He freed us from the Law that says we cannot marry again. And, that is what allows us to become the Bride of the Messiah. He died and rose again. YHVH's people cheated on him with other gods. They served the gods of the nations that surrounded them. The punishment that could be executed against an adulteress has been removed by the blood of Messiah. We are no longer subject to the punishment because we have been redeemed. So, our cheating with other gods is being forgiven. Now, we can return to the Law and serve YHVH in newness of life because we have been redeemed. Paul says, in verse 22, that he delights in the Law inside him.

Ephesians 2:15 says Jesus abolished the laws of manmade decrees. It specifically calls them "dogma." The dogma that Jesus abolished is the previous verse. A wall separated Jews and non-Jews in the synagogues. Paul is saying this wall must come down because the blood of Jesus makes all men equal. Starting in verse 11, we are told that non-Jews were called Gentiles IN THE PAST. Once a person joins the faith, they are no longer members of the nations, but have become fellow citizens with Israel. That is the ONLY way to receive the promise. The promise is NOT given to Gentiles.

Colossians 2:14 is, again, dogma. The dogma and philosophy of the world are to be avoided. They are against the people of YHVH. Verse 8 says, "Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ." DON'T BE TAKEN IN BY THE TRADITIONS OF MEN.

After highlighting the error of the dogma and traditions, Paul says, "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ."

Only the Sabbath and the feasts of YHVH are shadows of Messiah. The traditions of men are not shadows of Messiah.

Hebrews 10:1 says that the Law had the shadow, but not the very image. It says that the blood of bulls and goats never took away sin. They only served to remind us that the death penalty for sin was owed. Jesus came and paid it. But, He could only do it because He had no sin. If He had sinned, even once, He would be disqualified for the task. Verse 9 is the confirmation that He took on the responsibility of the shadow so that He would be the very image.

Galatians 3:10 is explaining that those who are relying on being perfect by their own efforts will be cursed if they cannot be as perfect as Jesus is. Jesus redeemed us from the curse of the Law.

The curse of the Law is what comes from disobedience. Deuteronomy 11:26-28 says the Law has a blessing and a curse. You are blessed if you obey, and cursed if you disobey. Disobedience no longer brings a curse, but obedience STILL brings a blessing. Observing the feasts of other gods and renaming them to accommodate Jesus is the traditions of men, not the instructions from God. Those that do it justify it through philosophy, vain deceit and twisting Scripture.
 
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You said gentiles were also included in the first covenant with the Jews here: "No, see, they weren't.

Take a look at what Scripture has to say about it."

Now here is your proof text,
"That He may establish thee today for a people unto Himself, and that He may be unto thee a God, as He hath said unto thee, and as He hath sworn unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob.

Neither with you only do I make this covenant and this oath; But with him that standeth here with us this day (the stranger, not Israel) before the Lord our God, and also with him that is not here with us this day (all others who would EVER come to know the Lord and His Commandments - FOREVER): ..."
Deuteronomy 29:13-

This is a misrepresentation of what took place and what was said.
I hope for your sake you misinterpreted these verses out of ignorance not intentionally.

Deuteronomy means "the repetition of the law".
The law had been given in full at Mt. Sinai,
But forty years passed, and only the very young at that time were still living, with the exception of
Caleb and Joshua.
Since the law was given, others had been born and grown to maturity.

Now for these Jews that were not present when the law was given at Mt. Sinai,
For their benefit, the law will be repeated and some details will be added.

Deuteronomy 29:1
These are the words of the covenant which the Lord commanded Moses to make with the children of Israel in the land of Moab, besides the covenant which He made with them in Horeb.

This covenant is to Israel.
There are Jews in Israel present but also jews from Judah, not present.

Deuteronomy 29:12
That you may enter into covenant with the Lord your God, and into His oath, which the Lord your God makes with you today,

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That He may establish you today as a people for Himself and that He may be God to you, just as He has spoken to you, and just as He has sworn to your fathers, to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

-14 I make this covenant and this oath, not with you alone.

The wrong interpretation is the others are gentiles.
Not so. Those present are Israel. Not with you alone are Judah,
Jeremiah 31:31,
Behold the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with Israel,
And with the house of Judah.

So far only Jews have been included in this covenant.

Deuteronomy 29:15
But with him who stands here with us today before the Lord our God, as well as with him who is not here with us today.

Gen2Rev, wrongly claims those not with them are the gentiles.

This is not what is being said.
Those who are not with them that are also in the covenant God made with Moses are The Jews offspring!
The Jews future generations. Their children not yet born.

The covenant is with the present and with the future tribes in Israel and Judah.
Nowhere are the gentiles included into this covenant as Gen2Rev mistakenly claims.
 

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Galatians 3:10 is explaining that those who are relying on being perfect by their own efforts will be cursed if they cannot be as perfect as Jesus is. Jesus redeemed us from the curse of the Law.

Paul teaches those keeping the old testament covenant must keep it ALL PERFECTLY or they will be cursed.
Galatians 3:10,
For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them.

Old testament law keeping requires it all to be kept. Why must it be kept perfectly?
Because the only way to be saved under the law of Moses is to never fail to keep all the commandments perfectly. Paul is teaching you must be without sin like Jesus. This is impossible for man, therefore anyone keeping the old law is cursed to be lost. Only Jesus kept the law perfectly. This is why He made a new better covenant. This covenant can save because in it is the perfect sacrifice that takes away the sins of those in the new covenant.

The old covenant law was never made with gentiles,
Romans 2:14,
For when gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do the things in the law, these, although not having the law, are a law unto themselves.

Gentiles do good works.
These works are also written in the old law.
The gentiles do these from their own conscience, ie not murder as an example.
Paul says the gentiles do not have the law of Moses!
Meaning they were never in the covenant made with the jews.

Similar to today.
Christians must obey the commandments of the new testament, not grudgingly but out of love for Jesus.
This new covenant is the law of Christ, Galatians 6:2.

Christians are in a covenant with Jesus Christ.
We can see heathen people today do the same commandments that are written in the new testament.
They do these good works, not because they are trying to keep the commandments of Christs new covenant.
They do these good works because of their conscience.
 

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nope, He wasnt. But have you tried to not break any of the commandments??? :confused:

In the scriptures one of the things you must not do if you love God and love mankind is not murder people. Most of us don't murder people. So it's not like we can't obey the commandments, its just a matter of how much you love God and mankind. Now I certainly don't think anyone can be obedient to the commandments if the person doesn't have God's Holy Spirit helping them and I'm not saying a person can be perfect. But for someone to tell me they can't stop cheating on their martial spouse or they can't stop looking at demonic movies or can't stop watching movies with graphic nudity and sexual scenes in them, they won't convince me of that. They may not want to or they may not have faith that God can help them overcome such temptations. I understand we all have our weaknesses and Satan and his demons will use those weaknesses against us but that doesn't mean a person who truly loves God can't have faith that God can and will help them overcome such things. We should always put forth the effort to obey the commandments and overcome our weaknesses and the temptations that we have, even though in this wicked world of mankind we will never be perfect. Obedience is something that God has always wanted from us right from the start in the garden of Eden. That shows that what God has always wanted from us isn't some impossible thing.
 
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This is a misrepresentation of what took place and what was said.
No, it's exactly what took place and what was said per
Scripture. I posted the verse from the KJV for all to see.

I'm sorry for you that you can't make that post go away. The Truth is just a scathing threat to you, isn't it.
The covenant is with the present and with the future tribes in Israel and Judah. Nowhere are the gentiles included into this covenant as Gen2Rev mistakenly claims.
The original covenant was with the nation of Israel and the mixed multitude that left Egypt with them. It was for everyone.
Bingo.

Exodus 12:38
 

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Paul teaches those keeping the old testament covenant must keep it ALL PERFECTLY or they will be cursed.
Galatians 3:10,
For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them.

Jesus redeemed us from the curse. Now we can obey the Law of YHVH without condemnation. That is what "led by the Spirit" means. It does NOT mean we can make up our own rules.

Loving God is keeping his commandments. If you love him, obey him. The only thing you can get from it is blessing because Jesus has redeemed us from the curse.

Sunday, Christmas and Easter are the pollutions of idols. Acts of the Apostles 15:20.

It is flirting with the feasts of pagan gods while telling Jesus we love Him. It is the spiritual adultery that will many people on the outside of the New Jerusalem. Revelation 22:14-15.

How are all those people still alive? This is after the 1,000 year reign of Messiah. Why are there "dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie" still around?
 

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In the scriptures one of the things you must not do if you love God and love mankind is not murder people. Most of us don't murder people. So it's not like we can't obey the commandments, its just a matter of how much you love God and mankind. Now I certainly don't think anyone can be obedient to the commandments if the person doesn't have God's Holy Spirit helping them and I'm not saying a person can be perfect. But for someone to tell me they can't stop cheating on their martial spouse or they can't stop looking at demonic movies or can't stop watching movies with graphic nudity and sexual scenes in them, they won't convince me of that. They may not want to or they may not have faith that God can help them overcome such temptations. I understand we all have our weaknesses and Satan and his demons will use those weaknesses against us but that doesn't mean a person who truly loves God can't have faith that God can and will help them overcome such things. We should always put forth the effort to obey the commandments and overcome our weaknesses and the temptations that we have, even though in this wicked world of mankind we will never be perfect. Obedience is something that God has always wanted from us right from the start in the garden of Eden. That shows that what God has always wanted from us isn't some impossible thing.
I agree with all of this, but I will say that it's a scary thing that the Bible tells us that those who won't give up their favorite sins, will be given up to them by God eventually.

There is no telling how long that eventuality is, but it may have to do with how intensely given to those sins the person is. If somebody is a passionate Christian, but continues to commit the same sin over and over and over, God will let them have it and let them be completely overcome with it.

At that point, they are lost. There is nothing to suggest that the Holy Spirit will ever re-enter those who do this. It might even be the one sin that the Bible says is not forgiven, the sin against the Holy Spirit - that is to keep sinning until you literally evict the Spirit of God from your life.

Heartbreaking and terrifying, really.
 

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No, it's exactly what took place and what was said per
Scripture. I posted the verse from the KJV for all to see.

I'm sorry for you that you can't make that post go away. The Truth is just a scathing threat to you, isn't it.Bingo.

Exodus 12:38

Only your imagination sees gentiles in Deuteronomy 29.
 
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Jesus redeemed us from the curse. Now we can obey the Law of YHVH without condemnation. That is what "led by the Spirit" means. It does NOT mean we can make up our own rules.

Loving God is keeping his commandments. If you love him, obey him. The only thing you can get from it is blessing because Jesus has redeemed us from the curse.

Sunday, Christmas and Easter are the pollutions of idols. Acts of the Apostles 15:20.

It is flirting with the feasts of pagan gods while telling Jesus we love Him. It is the spiritual adultery that will many people on the outside of the New Jerusalem. Revelation 22:14-15.

How are all those people still alive? This is after the 1,000 year reign of Messiah. Why are there "dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie" still around?
As Paul said the old law kept brings a curse on all who do not keep all of it,
Galatians 3:10.

It does NOT mean we can make up our own rules.

You never heard such and idea from me. Where are you coming from?


Loving God is keeping his commandments. If you love him, obey him. The only thing you can get from it is blessing because Jesus has redeemed us from the curse

That would be Jesus' new law we keep today, Galatians 6:2


Sunday, Christmas and Easter are the pollutions of idols. Acts of the Apostles 15:20
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Quote me where I said Christmas and Easter are in the commandments of the new testament covenant?

You're mistaken with the Lords day,
Acts 20:7
Now on the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul ready to depart the next day, spoke to them continued his message until midnight.
Christ is to be worshiped on Sunday.
 

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As Paul said the old law kept brings a curse on all who do not keep all of it,
Galatians 3:10. I know. That's why we need a Redeemer. Jesus redeemed me from the curse of the Law. Now, the only thing that remains is the blessing. I like the blessing of YHVH.

You never heard such and idea from me. Where are you coming from? If we are not obeying the rules YHVH gave us, we are obeying someone else's rules.

That would be Jesus' new law we keep today, Galatians 6:2 If that is true, then an atheist who bears another's burden is fulfilling the "law of Christ" just as much as any Christian.

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Quote me where I said Christmas and Easter are in the commandments of the new testament covenant? I didn't. I explained what the pollution of idols is.

You're mistaken with the Lords day,
Acts 20:7
Now on the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul ready to depart the next day, spoke to them continued his message until midnight.
Christ is to be worshiped on Sunday.

The first day of the week begins at sundown. Every Sabbath ends with a meal called 'havdillah' that marks the end of the Sabbath and the beginning of the first day of the week. That is why Paul preached until midnight. He started on Saturday at sundown and preached for a few hours.

NONE of that even hints at a Commandment to change the most repeated Commandment in the Bible. They had a single meeting of people whose intention WAS NOT a worship service. Their intention was eating a meal. Claiming that is all that is needed to change God's Law is a pretty low bar.

Jesus said He was Lord of the Sabbath, not Sunday.

"The Lord's Day" is NOT a euphemism for Sunday. The ONLY TIME the term appears it is in the Book of Revelation. The topic of that ENTIRE BOOK is "the Day of the LORD." John was meditating on the events that will occur in "the Day of the LORD." He was NOT "meditating on Sunday."
 
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