mailmandan
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LOL! Who said I was a Baptist? I actually attend a non-denominational church. In regards to your further arguments, did you not read a word I said in post # 1716?
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GRACE ambassador
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Precious friends, I have been in both, as a babe In Christ, when I was
still learning. Then, when God Introduced His Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided, I then began to see the errors being foisted upon the lost,
and the saved, Confusing Two Different Gospels, and, of course the
underlying water baptism Confusion. So, no need to ever go back to
either.
GRACE And Peace...
GRACE ambassador
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Precious friend, this may be of interest about:
"But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed” (Gal. 1:8):
"A Fool And God's GRACE Are Soon Parted" found in:
May Berean Searchlight pg. 5
Please Be Very RICHLY Encouraged and Edified!
GRACE And Peace...
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GRACE ambassador
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I don't believe, imho, that it is a good idea to say
God's 12 Dozen Passages For Eternal Salvation...:
God's OPERATION On All HIS New-born babes In CHRIST!
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God's ETERNAL Assurance!
...are dumb OR a joke, do ya'll? In LIGHT Of Judgment Day,
giving an account for HIS Words To us, eh?
GRACE And Peace...
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GRACE ambassador
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Good try, but, "There Is Only ONE Baptism (Eph_4:5), Today,
Under Pure GRACE. And, It Certainly is not (physical) water,
which was Under The Law!
It Is SPIRITUAL, As "God Revealed, Plainly And CLEARLY, TO
HIS apostle Of Pure GRACE" (please study Prayerfully And Carefully):
"For BY ONE SPIRIT Are we all Baptized into ONE (Spiritual)
Body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free;
and have been all made to drink Into ONE SPIRIT." (1Co_12:13)
In Addition, There Are SEVEN Spiritual Unities In Eph_4:3-6,
and "making one of Them physical" Destroys:
God's Spiritually UNITED Context! Correct?
More About Pure (Mystery) GRACE vs (prophecy) Law:
God's Approval/TWO Different Gospels!
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"Distinctions" in Mystery vs Prophecy!
GRACE And Peace...
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Eternally Grateful
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You should stop running from Greek.
Water baptism is not always inferred with the greek word baptizo
As for the passage. Read what it says..
buried with him in baptism, in which you also were raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead.
No water. Not done by your pastor..
You already told me you are a Baptist.
Now you are saying you're not.
You are not being honest with me.
You are running from the greek.
You are afraid of talking with Greek scholars.
I challenge you to contact multiple Greek scholars and ask them,
What Colossians 2:12 baptizo is.
I've already taught you. The word baptizo is never used for any other baptism after Jesus' gospel went into force other than the water baptism performed in Jesus' gospel.
Before Jesus' gospel went into effect, baptizo was used in another baptism.
You know which one?
John's baptism,
Mark 1:4 that baptism is also WATER IMMERSION!
I do not need a pastor to baptize me.
Give book, chapter and verse that teaches the qualifications for the one performing the physical part of baptism?
Now,
Who takes away the sins in water immersion? God does the work in the baptism. Buried with Christ in baptism. Raised with Christ in newness of life, Romans 6:1-7.
Colossians 2:12 Who took Paul's sins away in his water immersion? Who did the work to cleanse Paul of his sins?
Acts 22:12-16,
-Then a certain Ananias, a devout man according to the law, having a good testimony with all the Jews who dwelt there,
-came to me; Brother Saul receive your sight, And at the same hour I looked up at him.
-Then Ananias said, The God of our fathers has chosen you that you should know His will and see the just One and hear the voice of His mouth.
-For you will be His witness to all men of what you have seen and heard.
-16 And now why are you waiting? Arise and be baptized and wash away your sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
It was Ananias that baptized Paul in water.
Paul said his sins were washed away in his baptism, Acts 22:16.
This is baptizo. It is no doubt water immersion with Paul's salvation.
Ananias baptized Paul, and God performed the operation to cleanse him of his sins, Colossians 2:12.
Acts 9:17-18,
-And Ananias went His way and entered the house; and laying his hands on him he said. Brother Saul, the Lord Jesus who appeared to you on the road to Damascus has sent me that you may receive your sight and be filled with the Holy Spirit.
-immediately there fell from his eyes something like scales and he received his sight at once and he arose and was baptized.
Before Paul was water baptized baptizo.
Ananias laid hands on him to be filled with the Holy Spirit.
Paul was "Holy Spirit baptized "
Then water baptized.
Which one is baptizo?
Contact Greek scholars and know the truth!
What is the Greek word for filled with the Holy Spirit?
Answer, plesthes.
Paul's baptism, in Acts 22:16, Acts 9:18 = baptizo
The baptism in Colossians 2:12 where God works His power to save us= baptizo.
Conclusion: water immersion is spiritual baptism. That is where God performs His work to cleanse us from our sins.
John 8:32
You teach water baptism is a work of man not God.
Then why is it commanded by Jesus in His gospel?
God would not command us to do a work of man in His gospel!
Acts 10:47-48 The Holy Spirit working through Peter commanded Cornelius to be baptizo.
You need to explain why God is commanding men to do works of mans righteousness,
And not the works of Gods righteousness, Acts 10:35 = Psalm 119:172.
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mailmandan
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What rambling thoughts and judging of others walk in the Lord.........
LOL..........I answer to God and follow the Holy Spirit in teaching me the word.
Bible Highlighter
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I would agree with the possibility that 1 Peter 3:21 saying “removal of dirt from the body” is a metaphor for the outward physical act.
This interpretation is still in harmony with saying the same thing if it was in reference to sin (i.e. filth of the flesh = sin - 2 Corinthians 7:1).
One is not saved by the outward physical act of water baptism or water baptism is not for the putting away of sin.
Both are saying the same thing basically using different words.
However, I tend to side with what the KJB says. It uses the word “answer” and it seems to bring more clarity here.
1 Peter 3:21
“The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:”
In John’s water baptism they would confess of their sins to the Lord (Which is whereby they would have a clean and good conscience), and then be water baptized. To confess of your sins to the Lord or to admit your past life of sin is repentance (this prayer to the Lord would be with the intention of no longer committing sin against God).
Matthew 3:6 (which then lines up with Matthew 3:8). Also, in Mark 1:4-5, it says John preached the "baptism of repentance" for the remission of sins (verse 4), and it then defines this "baptism of repentance" by saying they confessed their sins when they were baptized (verse 5).
So it was calling upon the name of the Lord that saves (Romans 10:13).
This is the means of having a good and clean conscience.
Beginning with John the Baptist (Under the Old Covenant): Water baptism is the ANSWER to having an already clean conscience (when one sought forgiveness with the Lord) which forgiveness is only made possible only by the resurrection of Jesus Christ.
Meaning, water baptism is merely the outward showing of a person’s answer in that they have a good and clean conscience towards God when they sought forgiveness of their sins with the Lord. It’s merely a picture or symbol of what they just did in seeking forgiveness with the Lord. Baptism back then was just the response or answer in that their conscience was already clean.
You said:
1 Peter 3:20
“Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.”
Well, the Bible is correct here. The eight souls (Noah and his family) were indeed saved by water. Noah and his family were saved from that old wicked world in the fact that the water drowned away those wicked people from their presence. They then could start new (like the resurrection) and start a new life without the influence of those wicked people. For the time before the flood was a time of when men were exceedingly sinful. Their thoughts were evil continually. This is what Noah and his family were being delivered from. They were saved by water in the fact that the water destroyed those wicked people around them. This is a parallel of how we are saved by calling upon the name of the Lord and our old past life of sin was washed away. Our old world of sin is gone (washed away) by the Lord Jesus Christ and we are new creatures or creations in Christ.
In verse 18, it says Jesus was quickened (made alive, resurrected) by the Holy Spirit (Note: I believe both the Father, and even Jesus also were involved in the resurrection). But the point here is that the Holy Spirit convicts us of our sin (John 16:8-9) to seek forgiveness with the Lord and when we do seek forgiveness with Jesus, the Spirit helps to give us a new heart and our conscience is clean and good. The water baptism ceremony is an outward action or picture of this spiritual experience that happens before (or prior). So Peter is saying that water baptism does not save.
You said:
I agree.
You said:
Commands or instructions apply to believers in different points in time. Noah was told to build an Ark, but obviously we are not told to build one. I see this as the same way in regards to the instructions on water baptism involving the Jewish believers in Acts 2, and Cornelius and his household (Gentiles) in Acts 10. While Peter was not exactly wrong for telling others to be water baptized, technically speaking water baptism was no longer required after the cross (and Peter did not realize this fact or truth yet). The apostle Paul, Aquila, and Priscilla appeared to be the first teachers of Jesus Christ who knew that Spirit baptism replaced John’s water baptism (See: Acts of the Apostles 18:24-28, and Acts of the Apostles 19:1-7; Also see 1 Corinthians 1:17).
You said:
I agree. But I believe water baptism today is no longer necessary.
You said:
I believe that when Jesus said to His disciples “Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:” (Matthew 28:19), I believe Jesus was referring to Spirit baptism and not water baptism. Spirit baptism automatically happens for any person who genuinely seeks forgiveness of their past life of sin with the Lord Jesus Christ by way of prayer with a godly sorrow (With the intention that they are not planning to sin again at some future point in time - thinking they are slaves to sin this side of Heaven). So when Jesus says, “He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;…” (Mark 16:16), it is true. Jesus is talking about Spirit baptism that happens to all genuine believers. For Spirit baptism is what saves.
1 Corinthians 12:13
“For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.”
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Bible Highlighter
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Sorry, this is not a convincing argument from Scripture for what you said. It makes no sense for Jesus to give us new teachings and commands just so that they no longer apply anymore. You might as well tear out the gospels out of your Bible with this line of thinking, friend.
Bible Highlighter
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So if you are not under the curse of disobeying God’s laws, does that meanin you are saved even if you lied, cheated, or stolen something from somebody?
Is that what you are saying?
Do you believe in Once Saved Always Saved?
You said:
But do you keep all of them that apply to you?
When looking at the Old Law one can categorize the Old Testament Mosaic Law (the 613 Laws of Moses) into a threefold division:
- Moral Laws (Any Law pertaining to doing good as a part of nature).
- Ceremonial Laws (Laws pertaining to ceremonies or rituals).
- Civil Laws (Laws dealing with civil matters; Which includes Laws on carrying out justice).
God's moral laws came into existence for man and would forever exist for him after the Fall of Adam and Eve (after they received the knowledge of good and evil). A Moral Law is any law telling you to do good without a specific law telling you that such a thing is so (See Romans 2:14). These moral laws existed before the Law of Moses.
In the New Covenant (or New Testament) these Moral Laws (like: “Do not murder,” “Do not steal,” Do not covet,” “Do not commit adultery,” etc.) are repeated from the 613 laws within the Law of Moses and they still are in effect (i.e. They have been carried over into the New Testament). However, the Old Testament Law of Moses as a whole or package deal is no more (contractually speaking). Ceremonial Laws or commands: Things like the commands on circumcision, animal sacrifices, the Saturday Sabbath, dietary etc. are no longer binding under the New Covenant. This is because the written Law given to Israel is no longer in effect (as a whole). How so?
Here are a list of verses showing us the Old Law is no more:
"When God speaks of a "new" covenant, it means he has made the first one obsolete. It is now out of date and will soon disappear." (Hebrews 8:13) (NLT).
”Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.” (Romans 7:4).
"But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter." (Romans 7:6).
"Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;" (Colossians 2:14).
20 "Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,
21 (Touch not; taste not; handle not;
22 Which all are to perish with the using; ) after the commandments and doctrines of men?
23 Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body: not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh."
(Colossians 2:20-23).
“By abolishing in His [own crucified] flesh the enmity [caused by] the Law with its decrees and ordinances [which He annulled]; that He from the two might create in Himself one new man [one new quality of humanity out of the two], so making peace.” (Ephesians 2:15) (AMPC).
"The old [former] rule [commandment; regulation] is now set aside [nullified; abolished], because it was weak and useless [ineffective]." (Hebrews 7:18) (EXB).
9 “Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;
10 Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.” (Hebrews 9:9-10).
16 “For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.” (Hebrews 9:16-17).
”And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament…” (Hebrews 9:15).
27 “And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it;
28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.” (Matthew 26:27-28).
50 “Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.
51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; “ (Matthew 27:20-51).
8 “Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;
9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.” (Hebrews 10:8-9).
“And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved.” (Acts of the Apostles 15:1).
“But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.” (Acts of the Apostles 15:5).
“Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment” (Acts of the Apostles 15:24).
28 "For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;
29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well." (Acts of the Apostles 15:28-29).
7 "But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.
10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.
11 For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious." (2 Corinthians 3:7-11).
“But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.” (2 Corinthians 3:14).
(Continued in next post):”Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.” (Romans 7:4).
"But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter." (Romans 7:6).
"Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;" (Colossians 2:14).
20 "Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,
21 (Touch not; taste not; handle not;
22 Which all are to perish with the using; ) after the commandments and doctrines of men?
23 Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body: not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh."
(Colossians 2:20-23).
“By abolishing in His [own crucified] flesh the enmity [caused by] the Law with its decrees and ordinances [which He annulled]; that He from the two might create in Himself one new man [one new quality of humanity out of the two], so making peace.” (Ephesians 2:15) (AMPC).
"The old [former] rule [commandment; regulation] is now set aside [nullified; abolished], because it was weak and useless [ineffective]." (Hebrews 7:18) (EXB).
9 “Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;
10 Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.” (Hebrews 9:9-10).
16 “For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.” (Hebrews 9:16-17).
”And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament…” (Hebrews 9:15).
27 “And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it;
28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.” (Matthew 26:27-28).
50 “Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.
51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; “ (Matthew 27:20-51).
8 “Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;
9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.” (Hebrews 10:8-9).
“And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved.” (Acts of the Apostles 15:1).
“But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.” (Acts of the Apostles 15:5).
“Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment” (Acts of the Apostles 15:24).
28 "For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;
29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well." (Acts of the Apostles 15:28-29).
7 "But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.
10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.
11 For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious." (2 Corinthians 3:7-11).
“But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.” (2 Corinthians 3:14).
Bible Highlighter
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@Happy Trails
The Old Covenant says this about circumcision:
Yet, the New Covenant says this about circumcision:
The Old Covenant says this about the Sabbath:
Yet, the New Covenant says this about the Sabbath:
So it appears things have changed.
This makes sense because Hebrews 7:12 says the Law has changed.
In conclusion:
You sort of have to look at the Old Covenant (Old Testament) as one contract, and the New Covenant (New Testament) as another contract. It's kind of like a contract when you buy a house. If you did not like certain things in the contract, you could ask them to make some changes in the contract. If they agreed to the changes, you would then go by the new contract, and the old contract for the house would be discarded. There may be some similar things between the old contract, and the new contract, but you stick with the new contract in your dealing with buying the house. Meaning: This is why we seek to follow the New Covenant (New Testament) primarily even though there are certain laws that have carried over from the Old Covenant (Old Testament). We are clearly not under the 613 Laws of Moses as a whole or package deal. We follow the commands that come from Jesus and His followers.
The Old Covenant says this about circumcision:
"And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant." (Genesis 17:14).
Yet, the New Covenant says this about circumcision:
"Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing." (Galatians 5:2).
The Old Covenant says this about the Sabbath:
32 "And while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day.
33 And they that found him gathering sticks brought him unto Moses and Aaron, and unto all the congregation.
34 And they put him in ward, because it was not declared what should be done to him.
35 And the Lord said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones without the camp.
36 And all the congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him with stones, and he died; as the Lord commanded Moses." (Numbers 15:32-36).
33 And they that found him gathering sticks brought him unto Moses and Aaron, and unto all the congregation.
34 And they put him in ward, because it was not declared what should be done to him.
35 And the Lord said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones without the camp.
36 And all the congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him with stones, and he died; as the Lord commanded Moses." (Numbers 15:32-36).
Yet, the New Covenant says this about the Sabbath:
"Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:" (Colossians 2:16).
So it appears things have changed.
This makes sense because Hebrews 7:12 says the Law has changed.
"For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law." (Hebrews 7:12).
“For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.” (John 1:17).
“For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.” (John 1:17).
In conclusion:
You sort of have to look at the Old Covenant (Old Testament) as one contract, and the New Covenant (New Testament) as another contract. It's kind of like a contract when you buy a house. If you did not like certain things in the contract, you could ask them to make some changes in the contract. If they agreed to the changes, you would then go by the new contract, and the old contract for the house would be discarded. There may be some similar things between the old contract, and the new contract, but you stick with the new contract in your dealing with buying the house. Meaning: This is why we seek to follow the New Covenant (New Testament) primarily even though there are certain laws that have carried over from the Old Covenant (Old Testament). We are clearly not under the 613 Laws of Moses as a whole or package deal. We follow the commands that come from Jesus and His followers.
OT - Given to Gods newly created men, BABES.
NT - Given to men having Grown, 4,000 years of history & experience.
Old Covenant - Promises
New Covenant - Promises
A Promise in any era has non effect, if the Promise does not Apply to you.
OT - Reveals to WHOM the Promise was given.
NT - Reveals to WHOM the Promise was given.
OT - Reveals WHEN & WHY the Promise is EFFECTED.
NT - Reveals WHEN & WHY the Promise is EFFECTED.
A Promise EFFECTED, IS FULFILLED.
Many OT Promises WERE FULFILLED...
Many NT Promises WERE FULFILLED...
.......BY God, WHO gave the Promise.
.......BY men, WHO fulfilled the Requirement to RECEIVE the promise.
.......BY God, WHO GAVE a man the Gift to FULFILL the man RECEIVING
OT - NT Promises - CONTINUE Being FULFILLED...RECEIVED...
EVERY TIME, an Individual man, to whom the Promise Was Given, and Received by that Individual man;
The Promise Given; The Promise Received; IS FULFILLED.
We have only ONE LAW to concern ourselves with now —- it’s The Law of Christ— “ Bear the Burdens Of others” ......it’s time to set aside the rest of them.....If you are a Believer you need to put your Faith in something that is much more Superior than the Law —-That would be your In - Dwelling Holy Spirit.....why settle for something that is Second Best? I don’t. I live as a Free Man in Christ, and God knows how to “ blow the Whistle” on me when I get off track....
Paul’s #1 goal was “to KNOW Him”....... there is a very good reason for that .....if you really get to Know God, Love for God will naturally follow....That “ LOVE” is the Engine that drives Obedience.....”Love God and live as you please” ......That is the Ultimate MEAT for Believers... those that remain on the “ Milk Bottle” will never “Get” It......so suck away, I have chosen to Mature in my Faith....
...I answer to God and follow the Holy Spirit in teaching me the word.
There is probably not a person here that does not sincerely think that they are doing the same thing, so in the end, what have you got?
There is probably not a person here that does not sincerely think that they are doing the same thing, so in the end, what have you got?
The answer is Infinite, of course.....if you sin , you have lost your Salvation until you repent of that sin...I call it “ Lucky Repentance”——-
Imagine two Saved men underneath a table ( they both have their “ Repentance Ledgers” up to date—- no Un Repented sins on their record) .....some noise startles them! They both rise up too quickly and REALLY bang their heads ! They BOTH let out an expletive that is too vulgar to print! One guy has the “ luck” and presence of mind to Repent real fast right before he dies of a sudden hear attack....
Now the “ other” guy?! He also died of a sudden heart attack right after screaming out a vulgarity but he did not think quickly enough to repent of his sin before he died....He just did not have the “ Lucky Repentance” that the first guy had so he languishes in Hell as we speak.....
The lessons to be learned? Faith means nothing.....Grace does not exist .....Jesus Lied when He said that whosoever Believed In Him ALREADY HAD Eternal Life and that they could NEVER come under Condemnation.....yes friends, what it ALL comes down to is who gets that “Lucky Repentance” before they take that last breath.....let's all pray for it.....is all that matters in the end....
EVERY single individual man, WHO IS Saved,
Was, ONLY Saved ONCE.
FREE to enter a Drawing, for a Prize.
The PRIZE, is a new CAR.
FREE to drop your name in the box.
ON such date the Drawing is held.
YOUR name Drawn, You WON a Car.
The CAR is YOURS.
You have 15 Days to RECEIVE YOUR Car.
You RECEIVE YOUR Car, by TAKING YOUR Car.
You FAIL to TAKE YOUR Car.
BUMMER, YOU LOST YOUR PRIZE, Because YOU FAILED to TAKE YOUR PRIZE!
You do not RECEIVE YOUR Car MULTIPLE TIMES!
You TAKE YOUR CAR ONCE.
You do not TAKE YOUR Car and THEN LOSE YOUR CAR.
Taking A PRIZE, IS ONCE.
~ God DOES NOT GIVE His Gift of Salvation, THEN TAKE IT BACK.
~ Man DOES NOT RECEIVE Salvation, THEN GIVE IT BACK.
* EVERY serious student of Scriptural Knowledge, SHOULD have learned the VERY BASICS...
1) Gods Gift of Salvation IS: Offered to A BROKEN, CORRUPT man.
2) It is a broken, corrupt man that AGREES, to Receive Gods Gift of Salvation.
3) It is a (Spiritually DEAD) FORGIVEN, (Spiritually ALIVE) RESTORED, QUICKENED man, WHO Receives Gods Gift of Salvation!
NOW...HOW Exactly DOES A Spiritually Alive man, GIVE BACK a Gift, GIVEN a Spiritually DEAD man?
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