What does the Bible say about the roles of men and women? Are those roles based on the culture of the time or are they part of God's plan for humanity? Is Feminism a threat to Christianity? Is it a positive or negative force?
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I think it depends on what 'feminism' you are talking about. If we are talking of equality for women, in perhaps direct response to how they are treated within the bounds of Islam, then yes, the Bible teaches it and we should hold it up no matter the day or age.
If you are talking about the trend of some women attempting to actually force men behind them, then no, it's not Biblical, and I do not believe it should be done, even in light of this 'modern' age.
It's not an issue about 'who is more important'...God made men and women equal...equal in thought, mind, heart...equal in His love shown for them. It's simply an issue of roles. A business simply cannot function with all CEO's, or all night cleaners. A marriage, a church, a community, can only grow in strength, when both men and women work together. And God, in His wisdom, has shown us what we should do, what He has made us to do, best. He has made men to be the head...not an easy task. And He has made women to be helper...also not an easy task. But wonderfully complimentary.
God is never changing. The nature of sin is never changing...so I do wonder why we try and make the Bible and it's teachings exempt just because 'culture' has changed. The important things (both good and bad) never will, so I can't help but believe that the Bible is timeless.
If you are talking about the trend of some women attempting to actually force men behind them, then no, it's not Biblical, and I do not believe it should be done, even in light of this 'modern' age.
It's not an issue about 'who is more important'...God made men and women equal...equal in thought, mind, heart...equal in His love shown for them. It's simply an issue of roles. A business simply cannot function with all CEO's, or all night cleaners. A marriage, a church, a community, can only grow in strength, when both men and women work together. And God, in His wisdom, has shown us what we should do, what He has made us to do, best. He has made men to be the head...not an easy task. And He has made women to be helper...also not an easy task. But wonderfully complimentary.
God is never changing. The nature of sin is never changing...so I do wonder why we try and make the Bible and it's teachings exempt just because 'culture' has changed. The important things (both good and bad) never will, so I can't help but believe that the Bible is timeless.
The Bible places a man as the leader, the woman as a helper. Generally the personalities of women are alot less competitive, etc than men. In today's age, however, of heavy indoctrination, etc, we are finding more and more men who . . . what can I say, they make you sick! The book by Dr. James Dobson, 'Bringing Up Boys', highlights some very important things that are happening and have happened in society in an effort to change how God created men and women. It's an excellent book. Highly recommended.
'Feminism' is at the forefront of this un-holy collaboration that is attempting to break the family apart by changing the roles from what God intended them to be. Feminism is just a part of a very large group of people who are defying God and working against him. Unfortunately, they have succeeded all to well.
P.S. I have referred here to nowadays feminism. Some of the older suffrages I don't have anything against, but today, feminism is contributing to the complete meltdown of society. Boys no longer know how to be men, and as for girls, they are finding themselves in a role that they were NOT designed to fill.
Today's feminism is a lunacy that fits right in with the 'anti-discrimination'. Let's think about it, who is really being abused now? Black or white? Who is finding it really hard to get a job now? the man. How about this example: apparently it is sexually discriminating to advertise a vacant position for a man only. But get this: I've seen plenty of vacancies that ONLY accept women! Oh yeah, such equality! (sic)
Just so no one thinks I'm a raving mad individual . . .
lol.The Bible places man and woman side by side (the woman was made from the man's side!!), but male chauvinism tries to place the woman behind him, and feminism tries to place the man behind her. It just won't work until we take up the roles and the places that God laid out for us.
Prentis
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Yes! The world constantly goes from one to the other, it worries about who is behind and who is in front. As followers of Christ, we must be very carefull not to follow the pattern of the world. The woman is under the man's authority, but is not 'less than man'. She is his helper.
In the end, marriage is only a physical picture of a greater spiritual thing. The man represents Christ, and the woman the Church. The woman submits to the man, and the man loves (in the sense of Christ, not a carnal sense) the woman. That also is an image!
Each has a different role, but in Christ, both are part of the same body. How can the eyes say to the hands, 'I dont need you?'
That goes for man to woman, woman to man, Jew to Gentile (in Christ) and Gentile to Jew...
Hi Rach,
This is Aspen - forgot to sign my name. New account,same Catholic
. Do you believe that all modern feminists are trying to put men behind them? Seems a bit extreme too me.
I've noticed that you have been involved in quite a bit of heated conversation lately, so no pressure. I do not have strong beliefs or feeling about this topic, I am just trying to explore it.
blessings
Robbie
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Robbie
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I guess it would look like Christ... or as Jesus said, "You will know those who are taught by Me because they will love one another"
The Biblical role of men is to rule over women, but in love, not as a dictator. The Biblical role of women is to submit to husbands and to submit to men within the Church. This is the ideal which is seldom reality. Each individual will be judged by God for their actions.
Are you saying that men and women rarely practice this ideal? What does it mean to rule over women in love? What is the difference between loving your wife like Christ loves the church and submitting to your husband in love? Sounds like two different ways of saying the same thing to me. Love each other.
" This is the ideal which is seldom reality."
This is dependent upon the women, since Christian men rule over submissive women. They do not force them.
The first part is for the husband, the second for the wife.
We will be judged individually. Some commands are for women, some for men.
But Christ loved the church through submission......submission to death on a Cross
Which is not the point of my post.
Jesus loved the Church through submission. Therefore, loving our wives means serving them, just like they serve us. The bottom line is love....not 1st century roles.
Ah the Ducky Dance!
If the post sounds good, but disagrees with my point of view demand a verse.
If the post sounds good, but disagrees with my point of view and a verse is provided.....sidetrack the conversation, either by pointing out something irrelevant "You are calling Jesus a liar!" or distract by reframing the conversation "Why bother using verses you believe the Flood is a myth - you attack God's word and then use it when it serves you!"
In any case, never give an inch....once you entertain an idea outside the literal, narrow-minded; SAFE interpretation of scripture.....it is slippery slope to HELLLLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!
I just thought I would save us 30 or more exchanges by skipping right to the end.
Here is the scripture, by the way:
Ephesians 5:24-26
Pssssst: The only conclusion is love through equal submission
That's what Christians are supposed to do Aspen. Live by the Scriptures.
Narrow is the way, and FEW there be, whether we like it or not.
Your point???
Ephesians 5:22-25 (NKJV)
22 Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord. 23 For the husband is head of the wife, as also Christ is head of the church; and He is the Savior of the body. 24 Therefore, just as the church is subject to Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in everything. 25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself for her,
Where does it say the husband is to submit to the wife??? It doesn't.
That's what Christians are supposed to do Aspen. Live by the Scriptures.
Luke 8:15
But the seed on good soil stands for those with a noble and good heart, who hear the word, retain it, and by persevering produce a crop.
1 Corinthians 15:2
By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain.
1 Thessalonians 1:5
because our gospel came to you not simply with words but also with power, with the Holy Spirit and deep conviction. You know how we lived among you for your sake.
2 Thessalonians 2:15
So then, brothers and sisters, stand firm and hold fast to the teachings we passed on to you, whether by word of mouth or by letter.
Narrow is the way, and FEW there be, whether we like it or not.
Narrow-minded is the way? I do not think so. Narrow is the way because religious people worship books instead of practicing the gospel - love.
Your point???
You missed the point - wow - I would suggest re-reading my post if I thought it would help your comprehension....
Ephesians 5:22-25 (NKJV)
22 Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord. 23 For the husband is head of the wife, as also Christ is head of the church; and He is the Savior of the body. 24 Therefore, just as the church is subject to Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in everything. 25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself for her,
Where does it say the husband is to submit to the wife??? It doesn't.
It doesn't have to say it, Ducky. Christ loved the church through submission! Paul was using two methods of saying the same thing.
Luke 8:15
But the seed on good soil stands for those with a noble and good heart, who hear the word, retain it, and by persevering produce a crop.
1 Corinthians 15:2
By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain.
1 Thessalonians 1:5
because our gospel came to you not simply with words but also with power, with the Holy Spirit and deep conviction. You know how we lived among you for your sake.
2 Thessalonians 2:15
So then, brothers and sisters, stand firm and hold fast to the teachings we passed on to you, whether by word of mouth or by letter.
Narrow is the way, and FEW there be, whether we like it or not.
Narrow-minded is the way? I do not think so. Narrow is the way because religious people worship books instead of practicing the gospel - love.
Your point???
You missed the point - wow - I would suggest re-reading my post if I thought it would help your comprehension....
Ephesians 5:22-25 (NKJV)
22 Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord. 23 For the husband is head of the wife, as also Christ is head of the church; and He is the Savior of the body. 24 Therefore, just as the church is subject to Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in everything. 25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself for her,
Where does it say the husband is to submit to the wife??? It doesn't.
It doesn't have to say it, Ducky. Christ loved the church through submission! Paul was using two methods of saying the same thing.
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