Which translation do you think is the best English translation?

BreadOfLife said:

And there you have it.
Your objection is NOT basaed on language - as much as iut is based simply in your refusal to accept the Triune Godhead.

I can only present the fats.
I can't help you with your lack of faith . . .

NOT according to YOUR wooden, inflexible translationn of Theos.
According to YOU - ALL of these verses say, "A god".

As for "Jehovah" - that word isn't found in ANY language, It was an invention of the Spanish monk, Ramundo Martini, in ther Middle Ages, who was trying to renger the the Hebrew word for God, "YHVH" into a Latrin-based pronunciation..

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Robert Gwin said:

Again, there is no way I accept a triune godhead Bread. I worship and serve the God Jehovah exclusively, and am here to bear testimony about Him, no other gods or goddesses.

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Robert Gwin said:

May I ask why you accept your versions way of translating John 1:1 yet not accepting it translating God's name as Jehovah or Jah?

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BreadOfLife said:

The Triune Godhead is testified to iin Scipture.
The Father is God
Eph. 4:6, Psalm 68:5, Mal. 2:10, 2 Cor. 1:3-4, John 3:16, John 8:41, 1 Thess. 3:13

The Son is God
Isaiah 7:14, Isaiah 9:6, Matt. 4:7, John 1:1, John 1:3, John 8:58, John 10:30, John 14:9, John 20:28, 2 Corinthians 4:4, Phil. 2:6, Col. 2:9, 1 Tim. 3:16, Heb. 1:8, Titus 2:13

The Holy Spirit is God
John 14:16-18, Luke 12:10, 2 Cor. 3:17, 2 Cor. 13:5, John 14:23, Acts 5:3-4

Because, as I already told you - "Jehovah" is NOT God's name.,
It is a word that was invented by a Spanish monk named Ramundo Martinin in the Miuddle Ages, in an attempt to render a Latin-based pronunciationof "YHVH".
The word used in John 1L1 (Theos), is not God's name, either.

The REAL question here is - if there is only ONE God - and ALL other gods are false gods (Isaiah 45:5, Exod. 20:3, 23:13) - then why do you believe that Jesus is just another one of thes fase gods??

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Robert Gwin said:

You didn't answer my question sir, why not?
May I ask why you accept your versions way of translating John 1:1 yet not accepting it translating God's name as Jehovah or Jah?

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BreadOfLife said:

I already answered your question about the name, "Jehovah".

You have YET to address I pointed out the contextual conuncrun you are in with John 1:1 and verses like Isa. 45:5, Exod. 20:3 and Exod. 23:13 which say that ALL other gods are false gods.

As to why I trust the Church and NOT a man like Charles Taze Russell - because Jesus Christ gave His Church that Authority - and NOT your linguistically uneducated and unqualified team of "translators":
Matt 16:16-19
I will give you the keys to the kingdom of heaven. WHATEVER YOU BIND on earth shall be bound in heaven; and WHATEVER YOU LOOSE on earth shall be loosed in heaven."

Matt. 18:15-18
Amen, I say to you, WHATEVER YOU BIND on earth shall be bound in heaven, and WHATEVER YOU LOOSE on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

Luke 10:16
Whoever listens to YOU listens to ME. Whoever rejects YOU rejects ME. And whoever rejects ME rejects the ONE who sent ME."

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Robert Gwin said:

Yes sir you did, you said the name Jehovah is basically non-existent, although the name is found in your selected version of the Bible, you choose to not accept it. Yet you promote the rendering of Jn 1:1, without explaining the inconsistent way your version translated Acts 28:6. My point is you have drawn your conclusions about who God is because of the Version you have chosen to put your trust in.

What I recommend to you is that you obey Jesus testimony and worship and serve his God and Father, as that is a requirement for salvation Bread. This conversation has came to it's conclusion.

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BreadOfLife said:

In Rom. 1:18 – Theos is translated as “OF God”.
Again – ONE word, many uses.

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BreadOfLife said:

And that's where you continue to be as wrong and dishonest as ever.

I NEVER named the "version" that I use. I simply told you that I reject the peverted New World Translation put out by the Watchtower Society - and I gave you the reasons why, beginning with the unqualified team of "translators".

And this conversation came to its conclusion when YOU failed to address the contextual conundrum you are in with John 1:1 - in the face of verses like Isa. 45:5, Exod. 20:3 and Exod. 23:13, which tell us that ALL other gods are FALSE gods,

Good job . . .

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Robert Gwin said:

You are absolutely correct Bread, you didn't. But you named some Scriptures from your version that you accept. I asked you why then did you not accept the rendering of God's name from that same version, so do you care to answer it now?

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BreadOfLife said:

Once again - I never mentioned a version to you.

You are simply trying to deflect from the fact that your NWT rendering of John 1:1 creates a contradictory conundrum with verses like Isa. 45:5, Exod. 20:3 and Exod. 23:13, which tell us that ALL other gods are FALSE gods.

Either, the "Word was God" - as virtually EVERY other trnalation shows -
OR, the "Word was 'A' god" - whihc means He was a FALSE god, according to the rest of Scripture.
You can't have it BOTH ways.

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Robert Gwin said:

I say he is a god, or god as the verse literally stated "and theos was the Logos" and god was the Word.
So then why do you accept your versions rendering of God, and yet not accept Jehovah's name as it states?

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BreadOfLife said:

And I've shown YOU that Biblical context doies NOT allow for this claim - yet you still insist on stating this error.
I've shown you that the FULL definition of "Theos" only lists"a god" as ONE possibiolity - not the ONLY possibiolity.

As to your repeated quuestion aboiut the word "Jehovah" - I have already explained to you that this is NOT God's name. I explained to you that this was a word that was created by a Spanish monk named, Raymundo Martini in the 13th century - yet you persist in your question.

So, as I stated before - when YOU decide that youy want to have an HONEST conversation, let me know.
Because, so far - your dishonesty and obstinance had made tis impossible.

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Robert Gwin said:

The key is "you" Bread. You say, but the Bible says differently, it says God's name is Jehovah I believe it. The literal ending of Jn 1:1 in English is the Word was god. That is the truth believe it or not. The NWT chose to add the indefinite article a in front of it as your version did at Acts 28:6 which is an addition as well. My point was the inconsistency of your versions renderings of exactly written words.

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BreadOfLife said:

Aother dishonest response.

CONTEXT os your biggest enemy here - not me. In Acts 28, the people that Paul was dealing with on Malta were Gentile pagans. On verse 4, they even refer to their goddess, Justice. When Paul was unaffected by the snake - they assumed that he was another god (false god) of theirs - so the use of the term, "a god" is contextually-correct here.

In John 1:1, however, John is referring to the ONE God - so the use of the term, "a god" is contextually wrong. God does NOT share His power or His dominion with other gods - because ALL other gods are FALSE gods (Isa. 45:5, Exod. 20:3, Exod. 23:13).

Exod. 20:5
You SHALL NOT bow down to them or serve them, for I the LORD your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate me

So, good luck with your multiple gods.
We Chrisatians will continue to serve the ONE God . .

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Robert Gwin said:

Yes Bread, a god was correct there and being it written the same way in Jn 1:1 and the fact that neither Paul nor Jesus are God, the translators of your quoted version did not consistently translate it even they knew the proper way. It was a deliberate alteration sir.

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Jim B said:

This is a spin-off from another thread that concerns an update of the KJV, the subject of which has been polluted by KJVOs.

There is a plethora of English translations available today, ranging from those which tend toward a word-for-word rendition to those which are clearly paraphrases. Of course, it is impossible to create a perfect translation. The vocabulary, grammar, syntax, idioms, etc. of the source languages -- ancient Hebrew, Aramaic, and Koine Greek -- cannot be precisely rendered in any destination language, including English.

Additionally, no perfect copies of the Bible exist. The source documents are incomplete and differ from each other, sometimes significantly. Therefore, no English translation can be perfect. In my opinion, the best translations are those that convey what the earliest documents meant to those who heard them (there was almost universal illiteracy) and how they were interpreted in their culture.

My preference is the NET v2.1 It is well-written in clearly-understood modern English and is accompanied by more than 60,000(!) translator's notes that explain in detail why the words were chosen, what they mean in context, and clearly explain doctrinal issues.

So, why do you prefer your translation? Please explain in detail. Thanks.

P.S. This thread is not another venue for KJVOs to claim that their version is perfect. There is another thread to espouse that nonsense.

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BreadOfLife said:

In Acts 28:6, the pagan Gentiles on Malta actually thought that Paul was a god since he was unaffected by the snake bite.
John, on the other hand, is desacribing the ONE almighty God in John 1:1.

The fact that you don't see the difference in the CONTEXT of each situation shows me how sombrody like YOU could fall for the unbiblical nonsense taught ny the Watchtower Society . . .

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Robert Gwin said:

Yes, and like John said the Word was with God, not God himself. That is the point bread.

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Robert Gwin said:

Why not answer my question sir, if Jesus is God what hope do you have since that would make him a deceiver and a liar Mk 10:40; 13:32

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BreadOfLife said:

WRONG.
John said BOTH - the Word was WITH God - and the Word WAS God.
John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word WAS GOD.

ONLY to a Biblical illiterate whose wooden, literal interpretations are completely devoid of ANY understanding of the ROLES of the Godhead.

Mark 10:39-40
And they said to him, “We are able.” And Jesus said to them, “The cup that I drink you will drink, and with the baptism with which I am baptized, you will be baptized, but to sit at my right hand or at my left is not mine to grant, but it is for those for whom it has been prepared.”

Mark 13:32
No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.

The Father sends the Son (John 20:21).
The Holy Spirit proceeds from BOTH the Father AND the Son (John 14:16,26; 15:26; 16:7).
ONE God - 3 Persons and 3 different ROLES.

The Father is God
Eph. 4:6, Psalm 68:5, Mal. 2:10, 2 Cor. 1:3-4, John 3:16, John 8:41, 1 Thess. 3:13

The Son is God
Isaiah 7:14, Isaiah 9:6, Matt. 4:7, John 1:1, John 1:3, John 8:58, John 10:30, John 14:9, John 20:28, 2 Corinthians 4:4, Phil. 2:6, Col. 2:9, 1 Tim. 3:16, Heb. 1:8, Titus 2:13

The Holy Spirit is God
John 14:16-18, Luke 12:10, 2 Cor. 3:17, 2 Cor. 13:5, John 14:23, Acts 5:3-4

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