Which can be done by discussing points of disagreement.
Name calling (“cult”) doesn’t do that.
The Cult of the Jehovah's Witnesses?
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Name calling (“cult”) doesn’t do that.
Stan B
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Yeah, they have a few canned speeches, but get outside their prepping, they are totally lost.
My son was telling me tonight of JW visits. Their "bible" has been so munged and altered to fit their religion, that it has little similarity to real Scripture. The fact is, that true Scripture frightens them, and they cannot get away from it quickly enough.
On a recent JW visit, my son called in his 16 year old daughter to see this in action. When he brought in a real Bible, they couldn't get to the door fast enough!!
For a few months some years ago I regularly welcomed a young JW couple into my home. They gave me their literature and gave them things I printed off and my own testimony printed off. They were happy to exchange views - I think they must have been fairly new JWs. And then one day the lovely young man James, turned up with an elder who was aggressive and didn't want to listen to me at all but was so pushy my husband recognised a spirit of aggression in him and told him to leave. Sadly I never saw James or his wife again but I still pray for them.
Stan B
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The word cult, is a word defined as: "A relatively small group of people having religious beliefs or practices regarded by others as strange or as imposing excessive control over members."
I don't understand your problem with speaking plain English to designate something in English! What word would you use?
What is there to discuss?? They use a fake Bible to mask truth. Are they of God or servants of Satan?
I've read that book too @Rita and I also got into correspondence with an ex JW who sent me literature which gives scriptures to overturn their own arguments. I was told by the people who used to visit me that they all studied the same passages which were ordained by the WT organisation and din't read the bible without their study notes for that society.
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Stan B
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So, what should be call these servants of Satan?
How would you deal with their most basic heresy? John 1:1 says:
"In the beginning was the Word. The Word was with God and the Word was God."
JWs/Satan has changed that Scripture to read:
"In the beginning was the Word. The Word was with God and the Word was a God."
The JW Satanic religion is merely a classic pagan religion with many gods! Jesus was just one of those gods!!
Stan B
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I have also been told that they have universal teaching on a Sunday morning as well- it’s all decided from the leaders at the watch tower……..that always concerned me. It shows no leading from The Holy Spirit on a personal level.
Does this demonstrate control ?
Also the word ‘ organisation ‘ Is often used by the JW’s themselves, why ?
Rita
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Stan B
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This fits the Jehovah's Witnesses to a T. The Watchtower Society exercises mind control through its tracts and publications. People who do not really know their Bibles are easily duped.
Aunty Jane
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Thank you....or this will just deteriorate into another JW bashing thread. We can already see the prejudice surfacing with some untrue accusations made by certain people.
As I have been a JW for 50 years, I can at least go back that far in my own experience.
There never was a 'point system' to my knowledge. Nor is there any pressure placed on 'performance'. Each has to determine whatever they can offer to God by way of service.
@Rita 's experience is unfortunate and we are counseled not to harass people, especially family members. Our conduct is a better witness than words ever could be.
No one was to come to Christ through fear or guilt....or Bible bashing someone who was clearly not interested. (Matthew 10:11-14)
We have a body of elders in each congregation who are not paid to do God's work.....all JW's are volunteers. All are encouraged to follow Bible principles, as Jesus taught them.
We have no human Leader and no one we call prophets. Those who lead us in worship are "overseers", which is a position of responsibility, not power.
We claim no inspired literature and all are encouraged to follow the ancient Beroeans’ fine example and to examine the scriptures for ourselves. (Acts 17:11) All of our meetings are for Bible study and training for the ministry as we are all preachers.
It is the work that identified Jesus' first century disciples and according to Matthew 24:14 that work of preaching about God's Kingdom was to continue right till the end of the age. So who are following that first century example? (Matthew 28:19-20)
There is no "mind control" unless you see encouragement to follow the scriptures to be such. We take the Bible as God's word and we try to follow its principles as closely as we can.....regardless of what the world is doing.
So as far as a "cult" is concerned, we do not fit the definition in any way. We emulate the first Christians......so were they a "cult"?
I guess many of the Jews and their religious leaders thought so....
Because they are the Watchtower Organisation not church. They only study what they are told to study and are not allowed to let the Holy Spirit - which they describe as a 'force' - to move in their lives. And to break free of the organisation they need the Holy Spirit to help them get free.
Post #2 details a lot of pressure put on performance. I think you call it discipline of those ostracized.
Michiah-Imla
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But with a “Bible” that has been so twisted to agree with the “organization” does this really help an individual in this religious assembly to make an honest assessment of this “organization’s” doctrines?
I have some family members who have been in Jehovah’s Witness for a long time. They would try to arrange a “Bible Study” with me from time to time but I knew better just by listening to them speak about the Bible. Some things they said just didn’t agree with what I had read and learned from my King James Bible.
I remember asking them one time, “Why aren’t you Jesus’ Witnesses like the apostle’s were in Acts?”, They didn’t have a prepared answer for that one!
Bob Estey
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I sometimes wonder if people are too eager go call Jehovah's Witnesses (and Mormons) cults. Who besides they are willing to knock on doors and evangelize?
Stan B
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They are servants of their god: Satan!
God says to Abraham: I will make you exceedingly fruitful; I will make nations of you, and kings will descend from you. I will establish My covenant as an everlasting covenant between Me and you and your descendants after you, to be your God and the God of your descendants after you. And to you and your descendants I will give the land where you are residing—all the land of Canaan—as an eternal possession; and I will be their God.”…
Satan/JW says: God is a liar, and has broken His Covenant with the descendants of Abraham, and has now made JWs spiritual Israel in their place.
God says: The 144,000 in Revelation are Israel, 12,000 from each tribe.
Satan/JW says God is a liar: they will not be Israel. They will be replaced by JW, spiritual Israel.
God says: I testify to everyone who hears the words of prophecy in this book: If anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. And if anyone takes away from the words of this book of prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and the holy city, which are described in this book.
Satan/JW says: God is a liar. The 144,000 will not be reigning with Christ in the Millenium, JWs are going to be running things!
God says: In the beginning was the Word (Jesus), and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through Him all things were made, and without Him nothing was made that has been made.
Satan/JW says: God is a liar. Jesus was not God, He was just a god.
So . . . @Bob, what is so wonderful about evangelizing on behalf of Satan??
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Ouch!
I wish God's children could show more grace to one another than that.
One thing has nothing to do with the other thing. Knocking on doors is works, isn't it?
Bob Estey
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Bob Estey
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I was replying to the statement you made to me. Isn't that allowed?
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