Michiah-Imla
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I answered your question through scriptures. What’s the problem?
The scriptures express my standing.
Is it that you don’t like hearing the scriptures?
The soon coming rapture?
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I answered your question through scriptures. What’s the problem?
The scriptures express my standing.
Is it that you don’t like hearing the scriptures?
Scriptures certainly should BACK UP, VERIFY your position.
Problem is you can not state your own position.
Yet you can go on and on deciding what others believe and speaking for others.
Very Odd, you can not speak for yourself.
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I'm thinking that if the WEF has their way in pushing the world into the "great reset", that this may very likely become the great tribulation. And I think also this means His coming to receive us to Himself may be quickly approaching. Time is short! Be holy as He is holy.
Much love!
The Light
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Uhhhh, NO!.
The Church is raptured as we can escape all these things that will come to pass and STAND BEFORE THE SON OF MAN.
Luke 21
36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
After the fullness of the Gentiles comes in, blindness is removed from part of Israel. Don't be ignorant of this fact.
Rom 11
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
The seals are the 70th week of Daniel and the 70th week is about the people of Daniel.
Dan 9
24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
The elders and Church are in heaven before the seals are opened.
Rev 4
4 And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold.
Rev 5
9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.
God turns His attention to the next harvest and it is the harvest of the 12 tribes across the earth...THE SEED OF THE WOMAN. The 144,000 are firstfruits of the second harvest.
Rev 14
3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.
4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.
Rapture of the Church comes first, then the seals are opened and the 70th week of Daniel and tribulation occurs. Then the rapture of the 12 tribes across the earth as God keeps His promise to His people. Then the wrath of God.
Bible Fact and Truth, ADVANCED COURSE.
Michiah-Imla
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The Light
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Exactly. The Church is raptured BEFORE tribulation. After the tribulation is over the wrath of God begins. Pretty simple
Actually, Jesus' statement was not an Imperative form, like a command or intruction, He was descriptive, "he who endures to the end". What will happen? They will be saved.
Matthew 24:13 LITV
13) But the one who endures to the end, that one will be kept safe.
He reaffirms this moments later,
Matthew 24:21-22 LITV
21) For there will be great affliction, such as has not happened from the beginning of the world until now, no, nor ever will be.
22) And except those days were shortened, not any flesh would be saved. But on account of the elect, those days will be shortened.
And again,
Matthew 24:29-31 LITV
29) And immediately after the affliction of those days the sun will be darkened and the moon will not give her light, and the stars will fall from the heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.
30) And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the heavens. And then all the tribes of the land will wail. And they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and much glory.
31) And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather His elect from the four winds, from the ends of the heavens to their ends.
And again,
Matthew 24:34 LITV
34) Truly I say to you, In no way will this generation pass away until all these things have occurred.
Israel.
Much love!
The Light
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No it doesn't, does it. That's why you need to understand that He is coming when you think not. He comes more than once. One time it will be like the days of Noah where Noah is in the ark 7 days before the flood. In other words, He is coming BEFORE the 70th week of Daniel.
Likewise also He will come, when it will be like the Days of Lot were the very days Lot left Sodom, destruction comes.
So anyway @Cross8527 for myself...
I am Converted IN Christ, Which means, I stand IN the Power of God, and Gods Power is IN me.
Of course, for me to be IN that position, required me to exercise my own Freewill to submit myself exclusively to the Lord God and Because my submission WAS according to Gods requirement, I have Zero reason to Doubt IF, Gods Promises have been fulfilled in me.
Personally I am at peace and rest and receive many blessings from the Lord God.
Many are full well KNOWING the “buzz”, world wide, that JESUS IS the Savior. Some believe, some do not. Some become converted IN Christ, some do not.
The Rapture applies to ONLY those who become Converted IN Christ, ALREADY SAVED, Before the Tribulation From Heaven comes down upon the Earth.
The Already SAVED are NOT appointed to the End of Days Wrath of God that comes down from Heaven.
During the Tribulation, Some will be Saved. Believers, not Raptured, men who become Believers During the Tribulation. Their Body’s SHALL BE KILLED, and that is when they receive their Salvation.
Body’s buried, or burned, animal pickins, or whatever. Their souls shall rise to heaven.
After the 1,000 years reign, their body’s shall be risen up in glory.
The Key is... A bodily DEATH MUST occur BEFORE a person receives Gods Gift of Salvation.
A Converted person, HAS already given their BODY to God, crucified with Jesus. There is no requirement for them to BE ON the EARTH, while God is unleashing His Wrath upon the Earth....FOR “unrighteous” men to experience Gods ANGER.
Scripture teaches, to DO as God Instructs.
God instructs men TO CONFESS their HEARTFUL BELIEF, IN God, IN JESUS IS THE CHRIST, and Receive their Salvation AFTER laying down their own body unto death, crucified with Jesus.
Many Believers, do NOT do that. Many Non-Believers do not do that. Many Jews (tribesmen) do not do that.... Thus THEY are the THEY for whom Gods Wrath IS appointed.
I am Converted IN Christ, Which means, I stand IN the Power of God, and Gods Power is IN me.
Of course, for me to be IN that position, required me to exercise my own Freewill to submit myself exclusively to the Lord God and Because my submission WAS according to Gods requirement, I have Zero reason to Doubt IF, Gods Promises have been fulfilled in me.
Personally I am at peace and rest and receive many blessings from the Lord God.
Many are full well KNOWING the “buzz”, world wide, that JESUS IS the Savior. Some believe, some do not. Some become converted IN Christ, some do not.
The Rapture applies to ONLY those who become Converted IN Christ, ALREADY SAVED, Before the Tribulation From Heaven comes down upon the Earth.
The Already SAVED are NOT appointed to the End of Days Wrath of God that comes down from Heaven.
During the Tribulation, Some will be Saved. Believers, not Raptured, men who become Believers During the Tribulation. Their Body’s SHALL BE KILLED, and that is when they receive their Salvation.
Body’s buried, or burned, animal pickins, or whatever. Their souls shall rise to heaven.
After the 1,000 years reign, their body’s shall be risen up in glory.
The Key is... A bodily DEATH MUST occur BEFORE a person receives Gods Gift of Salvation.
A Converted person, HAS already given their BODY to God, crucified with Jesus. There is no requirement for them to BE ON the EARTH, while God is unleashing His Wrath upon the Earth....FOR “unrighteous” men to experience Gods ANGER.
Scripture teaches, to DO as God Instructs.
God instructs men TO CONFESS their HEARTFUL BELIEF, IN God, IN JESUS IS THE CHRIST, and Receive their Salvation AFTER laying down their own body unto death, crucified with Jesus.
Many Believers, do NOT do that. Many Non-Believers do not do that. Many Jews (tribesmen) do not do that.... Thus THEY are the THEY for whom Gods Wrath IS appointed.
? Odd statement.
The 7 Tribulation IS precisely the time frame of Gods wrath.
Men suffer tribulations daily, because of other men.
7 Tribulation coming down from Heaven, IS precisely because of Gods ANGER, and His wrath reveals His precisely foretold Acts He SHALL do, step by step, increase by increase.
Michiah-Imla
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Michiah-Imla
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No he does not!
“But every man in his own order:
1. Christ the firstfruits;
2. afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
3.Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.” (1 Corinthians 15:23-24)
No he does not!
“But every man in his own order:
1. Christ the firstfruits;
2. afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
3.Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.” (1 Corinthians 15:23-24)
Spiritual Israelite
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Where do those passages indicate that He doesn't use angels to gather the church to Himself? You're making an argument from silence here. Not all passages that speak of His return contain all of the same details. Both Matthew 24:29-31 and 1 Thess 4:13-18 speak of His return and of His own being gathered. Just because one passage contains a detail that the other doesn't does not mean they are separate events. That's the weakest kind of argument that anyone can make. Is Revelation 19:11-21 a different event than both Matthew 24:29-31 and 1 Thess 4:13-18 since it contains different details than both of those passages?
How do you know that? What a ridiculous claim. Why was Paul obligated to share all the same details that Jesus shared about His return? He wasn't.
No, He is going to descend from heaven in the future only once (not twice as you believe) and He will come with the souls of the dead in Christ who will then unite with their changed bodies.
Spiritual Israelite
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Exactly. If He was coming from heaven more than once in the future then why didn't Paul specify which coming of Christ he was referring to in 1 Corinthians 15:23? He referred to "his coming" because He's only coming once. The idea that He will come from heaven more than once in the future is completely unbiblical.
Oh, so for you there is that ... you can fall from faith.
Now your rejection of Pre-Trib rapture is becoming clearer.
The very wording of those passages is enough. Plus Jesus said "I will receive you unto myself" NOT "I will send angels to gather you to me". So it is pure unbelief to reject the Pre-Tribulation Rapture and substitute the gathering of the Jewish elect for the Church.
Spiritual Israelite
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Where did Paul say that Jesus won't use His angels to catch us up to Him? He didn't.
LOL. Pure unbelief? What do you mean by that? I definitely do not believe in the false pre-trib rapture theory. The way that Jesus will receive us unto Himself is by sending His angels to get us. You need to learn to interpret scripture with scripture instead of turning every scripture about His return into a completely separate event.
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