Yes, God is in control of death from natural causes. He is not behind all the murderers (including abortionists), since Satan and his demons are controlling them. As a law abiding citizen you have the right to defend yourself, whether or not you choose lethal weapons or some other alternative. Even a taser would work.
The Insanity of the "right" to have guns!
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BarneyFife
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This is racist, my friend. You have swung the pendulum completely in the opposite direction of true injustice. Murder and rape don't have a skin color. And not all police are abused. Judge righteous judgment.
Bible Highlighter
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Your not reading the Bible, sir.
Show me in the Bible where it says Jesus told His disciple to buy TWO swords.
Jesus did not tell them to buy two swords.
The disciples brought forth two swords but Jesus did not tell them to buy two swords.
He told them each to buy a sword and they brought forth only two swords.
Wrangler
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Ronald David Bruno
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Yah ... AFTER the GREAT TRIBULATION when Satan and his demons are locked up and not able to tempt us, AFTER ALL EVIL AND SIN IS PUT DOWN, AFTER ALL UNGODLY NON-CHRISTIAN PEOPLE ARE JUDGED AND ELIMINATED FROM THE PLANET! Until then we need to protect ourselves.
Before guns, there were spears and swords, before that, rocks. Shall we ban knives and rocks too?
20k murders in US, plus 23k suicides involving guns in 2019.
36k deaths in the same year from car accidents exceeds murders. Shall we ban cars too?
Nah, but I have a better idea. Lets ban all foods containing high fructose corn syrup, hydrogenated oils, all artificial chemical additives and toxins, preservatives that disrupt healthy digestion, hormones, pesticides and just eat fresh organic food. That will save a million lives annually (out of the 2.3 million who die from all causes), bankrupt the hospitals and and insurance companies, eliminate obesity, most illnesses and enormous health costs. Works for me, I have been to the doctor maybe six times in forty years.
Actually it's too late for that.
The New World Order wants to depopulate the planet by 90% by means of killer vaccines and sterilization, abortions, wars and famine. They need total control to implement their plans, which means to first confiscate our guns. Once they do that, then the government can take full control as we see in Australia, Canada and other nations.
This is diabolical and all prophesied to happen. Be patient, Jesus is coming. In the mean time, eat well.
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Mantis
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Bible Highlighter
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God does not set out to do any wrongs, but He does permit them (Because He gives man free will choice). But Satan cannot take life without God’s approval. Also, all things work together for good to those who love GOD, too. So if you are a believer who loves GOD, then all things work together for good for you (Romans 8:28). This would even include Joseph’s situation of when bad happened to him. His brothers doing evil against him, and his time in prison. But if we are to take the gun happy guy’s attitude, then Joseph could have just shot his brothers (with bow and arrows), and try to get a weapon to kill the prison keepers. One becomes the Punisher, when God says vengeance is mine, I will repay saith the Lord.
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You and your family of say, 6, have a couple of guns, which you take with you wherever you go. You are being mugged by a gang of 10-15 heavily armed thugs, who murder as a living.
Exactly HOW will your TWO guns "save" or "protect", your family?
Do you choose to all die; or, will you call on the Might of our Great God?
Bible Highlighter
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With this kind of attitude, it seems like GOD has left you to the wolves of random chance of death and destruction and He does not care for you.
But this is not the case.
Acts of the Apostles 17:27 says,
“That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him,
though he be not far from every one of us:”
It says the Lord is not far from any one of us.
God is aware of even when a sparrow falls to the ground.
How much more precious are you to God?
Romans 8:28 says,
“And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.”
Matthew 10:29 LEB
“Are not two sparrows sold for a penny? And one of them will not fall to the ground without the knowledge and consent of your Father.”
Matthew 10:30
“Fear ye not therefore, ye are of more value than many sparrows.”
Bible Highlighter
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Well said. God can protect us if it is in His will. I believe He can protect us from all kinds of things. God making us to drop our keys could have prevented us from getting into a car accident. Or sometimes that car accident is something God wants us to be in. I remember one accident I was in, the guy who did not yield the right away in his turning at a light and he hit my car good. But he was going through a divorce and was really having a hard time dealing with it. The cop who came to the scene of the accident was also a Christian (like me), so we prayed for him. That's how GOD works. He works in the bad and the good. My car could be repaired. But this guy needed prayer big time in his heart to be fixed.
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Bible Highlighter
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Involving the disciples: The existence of the two physical swords was to fulfill prophecy in Jesus being numbered with the transgressors. But if we were to try and physically replicate or replay this event in our lives, it does not make any sense. We cannot repeat the event of fulfilling prophecy.
So in order for the church today to benefit from this portion of Scripture, we must understand that no physical sword will help us in life’s troubles. It’s only the spiritual sword (Which is either to bring to memory memorized Scripture, or to obtain Scripture for our study and learning).
It's the buying of the milk without price.
Isaiah 55:1
“Ho, every one that thirsteth,
come ye to the waters, and he that hath no money; come ye,
buy, and eat; yea, come, buy wine and milk without money and without price.”
1 Peter 2:2
“As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby:”
The disciples needed the strength of God's Word to grow and mature (to be strong) when their Lord and Master Jesus Christ was about to be captured so as to be crucified.
2 Corinthians 10:4 AMP
“The weapons of our warfare are not physical [weapons of flesh and blood].”
2 Corinthians 10:4
“(For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds; )”
The physical swords were only to fulfill prophecy and they were not a point self defense.
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Bible Highlighter
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Bible Highlighter
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The whole point of the swords was to fulfill prophecy, and no lesson of self defense was made the existence of the swords. In fact, a lesson in Non-Violence was one of the follow up points of the use of the physical sword (Even though the real ultimate reason was to fulfill prophecy by them having the swords in Christ being numbered with the transgressors).
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Um, this has probably been said multiple times but criminals don't obey laws.
Wrangler
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Animal control, security job, hunting for food, police man, self defense... just a few of them.
Bible Highlighter
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Did you carefully read all of what was written or posted?
If not, then you are just mindlessly hitting the disagree button.
Wrangler
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Jesus told us to sell our coat to buy a sword. You are carefully disingenous in pretending that was a metephorical sword.
I've asked you to honestly answer. You could not, showing yourself the most disingenuous poster I've come across on these boards.
May God have mercy on your soul.
Michiah-Imla
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Jesus also told us:
“… all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.” (Matthew 26:52)
I don’t want to perish with a deadly weapon so I will not take one.
Bible Highlighter
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I am not pretending. The physical swords were to fulfill prophecy. But the spiritual lessons for us today is not self defense but Non-Violence. Non-Violence involving the swords fits the context because no great battles were won by any physical swords that the disciples had. But the disciples did NEED to have spiritual strength for the upcoming spiritual battle of seeing their Lord crucified. This is a lesson for us today, and it’s not teaching self defense by lethal means.
I gave you an answer in my own words in one post, and I gave you an answer also from a church.
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I think you are either overreacting or you simply like to just throw around insults at others to uplift your position.
The real key is to address the actual text, and not make it about me.
I have talked for many years on Christian forums and many who don't have a biblical defense for their argument try to use ad hominems when their position is weak.
You said:
May the Lord Jesus Christ bless you and your family.
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