Women Speaking and Ministering in Church
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Davy
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I never denied that God put the man in charge over the woman. But that does not mean the woman cannot speak The Gospel to someone who hasn't heard. Did you not see the Acts 18 example of Priscilla and her husband that I quoted?
Michiah-Imla
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Boy, your ignorance of Bible gets more apparent the more you talk, quit while you’re ahead:
“As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths.” (Isaiah 3:12)
This is what happened to Israel as a result of their “exegeting” the word of God out of their conscience back then; it’s all happening again!
Davy
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You're too RADICAL for me, welcome to my new IGNORE LIST.
Michiah-Imla
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Dude, when did I say a woman cannot preach the gospel to save someone?
I am talking about the rules inside the church as prescribed by inspiration by the Holy Ghost!
“These things write I unto thee,… that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God” (1 Timothy 3:14-15)
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Hey Oz,
That passage does say that woman are to have their head covered when praying or prophesizing. It doesn't say anything about WHERE they do it. So the passage that says Let your women keep silence in the churches is NOT negated by 1 Cor. 11:5!
So it is possible for a woman to be silent in church AND still prophesy.
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Hey Oz,
vs26 isn't referring to "ministry" so there is that.
What do you make of vs34? It seems to cancel out vs26!
I’m not a priest or apostle!
And the sacred seed you refer to was down by the Holy Spirit!
you’re close to blasphemy there pal!
The woman is wife and mother!
the heart and center of the family!
the family revolves around Her and gets its identity from her!
even in the holy family this is true!
who is saint Joseph?
The husband of Mary!
who is Jesus? the child of Mary!
Matt 1:16 And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.
Matt 1:19 Then Joseph her husband…
Matt 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.
Lk 1:28 the Lord is with Her!
the heart and center of the family!
the family revolves around Her and gets its identity from her!
even in the holy family this is true!
who is saint Joseph?
The husband of Mary!
who is Jesus? the child of Mary!
Matt 1:16 And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.
Matt 1:19 Then Joseph her husband…
Matt 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.
Lk 1:28 the Lord is with Her!
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They are M-I invented statements.
I Cor 11:5 (NIV) is written to a church with instructions on how it ought to function. The closing down of all women in all ministry is not taught in this book, as this verse explains.
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Husbands
Eph 5:22 submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.
23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.
25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
Husbands must be faithful and true as they represent Jesus Christ!
Wives owe love, honor, and veneration to her Husband!
As unto the Lord!
And wives obeying their husband give the children an example of obedience to proper authority!
Eph 5:22 submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.
23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.
25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
Husbands must be faithful and true as they represent Jesus Christ!
Wives owe love, honor, and veneration to her Husband!
As unto the Lord!
And wives obeying their husband give the children an example of obedience to proper authority!
And yes, I do think there are other instances of apostles dropping the ball.
This is called unbelief. If we don not believe all Scripture to be true and righteous altogether, then we are not believing the God of Scripture to be the true God and eternal life.
The fear of the LORD is clean, enduring for ever: the judgments of the LORD are true and righteous altogether.
Scriptures of God by His prophets and apostles are not just the ideas of men, some good, some not:
And Moses said, Hereby ye shall know that the LORD hath sent me to do all these works; for I have not done them of mine own mind.
The ball being dropped is your reading of Scripture in letter only, and not by the Spirit who wrote them with hands of men.
The point being, when you say a prophet or apostle erred, you are saying the Spirit of God erred, since all Scripture is inspired by Him.
What you are opening the door to, is dismissing any Scripture you don't like, and so, it is no more God by Scripture renewing your mind, but you cherry-picking God's Scriptures to keep your own mind.
Rightly dividing the truth includes using all Scripture to interpret any single Scripture, that appears to make absolutely no sense, or is ridiculously stupid on the surface.
At this point, so long as you can dismiss any Scripture you don't understand and/or like, as being in error, then there is no point in discussing any Scripture with you.
Even in books of men, there is no common ground of understanding the author, if we are free to throw out parts of the book authored: we are then destroying the integrity of the book and the author.
I.e. we only believe what we want to believe, and no one, including God, can objectively challenge what we believe.
And so, with Scripture of God it is far better to seek other Scripture to interpret any Scripture that challenges our credulity, and so confirm that the eternal true God knows what He is talking about, and is not stupid.
If Paul or any other prophet is stupid in any verse of Scripture, then he can be stupid in all verses we think are stupid.
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Of course, you say these things online.
And, as I said, I would dearly love to see you say these things to her face, when I pointed you out to her as some guy who things she ought to shut up and say not a word, when she has entered through the hallowed sacrosanct doors of any building on earth, except of course it be your house, which of course we would never enter.
And so, let us offer a teaching of the Scriptural letter with the Spirit in which God wrote it:
Usurping authority over is seeking to have authority to tell another what to do, where there is no such authority to do so.
Women are not to tell men what to do, neither in ministry nor in marriage, which does not include a mother with her boy.
Keeping silence and not speaking out of turn is especially directed at woman, who have a habit of doing so whever anythhing is going on, that they do not understand, whether in church or in theatres. It is the 'dumb-blonde' rule of God.
This is confirmed by two simple Scriptures:
But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.
Both men and women are commanded not to interrupt ministerial service out of order, whether by speaking in tongues without an interpreter, or by asking questions about what is being ministered:
And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
Is it not a shame for men to interrupt what is happening by asking questions? Can any man interrupt because he has a question?
Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
So, only women are to learn with all subjection to the authority of God's word?
The point being that you love the letter in this case, but have not the Spirit, which is proven by your braggartly outburst and accusations of cowardice of others that show up your law as foolishly stupid.
No doubt, you enforce the letter in the manner of the wife's submission:
Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as it is fit in the Lord.
And so, whatever the husband tells her to do, she is to submit? The rule is 100%, even as in no speaking in a church building at all.
I have no doubt, when the letter of Scripture elsewhere is not to your liking, then you give yourself plenty of spiritual wiggle-room, and all your blustering courage in the word goes out the window.
Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.
And so, anything a pastor ministers is to be obeyed?
True. It all began with Miriam breaking out with song and dance to preach the word of God.
And it was all downhill after Deborah.
Michiah-Imla
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Why don’t you just come out and say that Paul’s teaching on women being silent in churches is heretical and stop playing games with scripture.
Be honest.
Why don’t you just come out and say that Paul’s teaching on women being silent in churches is heretical and stop playing games with scripture.
Be honest.
And so, here you fall apart. You have no answer to letters being ministered with the Spirit.
Neither do you continue in the 100% letter, if it were to apply to yourself.
You are not only a braggart, but also a hypocrite.
Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
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