The Purpose of the Bible

Nature of the church!

Christ is the one who is truth!

Jn 14:6 I am the truth!

and this must extend to his church! 1 Tim 3:15

Christ is the light! Jn 8:12
And this must extend to His church! Matt 5:14

1 Corinthians 16:22
If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema Maranatha.

This must extend to the truth and to the church founded by Christ to teach all men!

5) The nature of the church!

The church does not require scripture to know the truths revealed by God! Jude 1:3, 1 Tim 3:15

Church is eternal! Lk 1:32-33

Christ and His apostolic church are one! Matt 5:14 Jn 15:1 Acts 9:4 eph 5:32 1 Tim 3:15

The holy church is a Perfect society founded by Christ for the salvation of all men!

And to Faithfully transmit and saintly safeguard the deposit of faith!

No one has authority from Christ except His church of the apostles to define and declare truth!

Scripture is the possession of the church!

All of divine revelation is the word of God and thee faith given to the church of the apostles by Christ
to safeguard against all error, and
to faithfully teach all nations!

The doctrine of the “Bible alone” is heresy and is opposed by the scriptures. Matt 16:28-19 Matt 18:18 Jn 29:21-23 Acts 2:42 1 Tim 3:15

The church is an extension of Christ who taught the truth, and the church is commanded to teach all nations these same truths called the deposit of faith! Matt 28:19 Jude 1:3

All scripture came by tradition!

By divine, apostolic, and inspired human tradition that is verified by the apostolic tradition!

The church of the apostles founded by Christ on Peter & the apostles received all of the faith, all truths revealed by God personally taught by Christ to his church!

The rule of faith is the doctrine of the apostles! Or the apostolic tradition! Acts 2:42

All men Must be taught, or instructed, Lk 1:4 acts 8:31 and hear the church Matt 18:17 and the church is the pillar of truth 1 Tim 3:15 cos Christ and his apostolic church are one!
Matt 5:14 , Jn 15:5, Acts 9:4, Eph 5:32

Truth must be revealed by Christ Jude 1:3 and taught by his apostolic church. Matt 28:19

The holy church does not require scripture to know the truth cos the church received the “deposit of faith” Jude 1:3 from Christ in person and the church of the apostles by apostolic authority and inspired human authority wrote the scriptures, and the apostolic authority verified them, declared what is inspired scripture, and what is not the inspired scripture, as an example the gospel of Thomas is not inspired scripture but the gospel of Matthew is inspired scripture.

The deposit of faith, the entire divine revelation and word of God is given to the church of the apostles by Christ to safeguard against all error!
And to faithfully teach all nations!
Jude 1:3, Matt 28:19 Jn 16:13

Apostles have the same mission, power and authority as Christ! Jn 20:21-23

The church of the apostles founded by Christ on Peter received all of the faith, all truths revealed by God personally taught by Christ to his apostles!

The rule of faith is the doctrine of the apostles! Acts 2:42

Christ is the truth! Jn 14:6
The church is the pillar of truth! 1 Tim 3:15
Christ and his church are one! Acts 9:4 eph 5:32

Must hear the church Matt 18:17 the church is the pillar of truth 1 Tim 3:15 cos Christ and his apostolic church are one!
Matt 5:14
Jn 15:5
Acts 9:4
eph 5:32

Truth must be revealed by Christ Jude 1:3 and taught by his apostolic church Matt 28:19

The church does not require scripture to know truth cos the church received the “deposit of faith” Jude 1:3 from Christ in person and the church of the apostles by apostolic authority and inspired human authority wrote the scriptures.

Scripture is the possession of the church! Used for the needs and purposes in the church!

All new testament Scripture was written by the church!


Divine revelation or the word of God! Handed to His church of the apostles by Christ! Jude 1:3
To safeguard against all error!
To faithfully teach all nations!
Matt 28:19

There is only one true church founded by Christ on Peter and the apostles and their successors, it is the new covenant body of Christ! Matt 16:18 One fold
Jn 10:16 the household of faith! Gal 6:10

reformed1689 said:

I guess Jesus wasn't exercising love when he called people a fox or a brood of vipers either.

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Will you call fire from heaven upon him?

Jesus spoke in truth. You were ridiculing someone you disagree with. Nothing more than that.

And that's not Christian love.

marks said:

Will you call fire from heaven upon him?

Jesus spoke in truth. You were ridiculing someone you disagree with. Nothing more than that.

And that's not Christian love.

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No, I also spoke truth. It's not just a disagreement. Bob is flat wrong.

marks said:

Will you call fire from heaven upon him?

Jesus spoke in truth. You were ridiculing someone you disagree with. Nothing more than that.

And that's not Christian love.

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If you don't think I spoke in truth you must also not have a high regard for Scripture.

reformed1689 said:

If you don't think I spoke in truth you must also not have a high regard for Scripture.

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That Bob supports lgbtq? Seriously?

Personally, I'm surprised you've defended yourself, and not just apologized. So now you turn your vehemence on me. Big Surprise! (that's sarcasm)

Much love!

The Purpose of the Bible . . .

Hebrews 4:12-13 KJV
12) For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
13) Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.

1 Corinthians 13:1 KJV
1) Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.

Grow in love.

Much love!

Lifelong_sinner said:

6. The whole counsel of God concerning all things necessary for his own glory, man's salvation, faith and life, is either expressly set down in Scripture, or by good and necessary consequence may be deduced from Scripture: unto which nothing at any time is to be added, whether by new revelations of the Spirit, or traditions of men

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i guess rabbis had a tradition of making a small change every time they (quoted? something like that) a Scriptural concept, one that rephrased without changing the intent or meaning, to maybe show the like evolving nature of understanding or something?

Lifelong_sinner said:

notice how it doesnt say that only the parts God spoke should be listened to, but that both OT and NT are considered the Word of God. All the books of the Bible are given by inspiration of God. That means that what paul says is inspired by the Holy Spirit and to be followed

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Paul imported many extra-biblical sources into our Bible i guess, and i doubt he would agree with this bunch of humans who arbitrarily excluded sources of wisdom
“In the beginning was the Bible, and the Bible was with God, and the Bible was God”

reformed1689 said:

No, I also spoke truth. It's not just a disagreement. Bob is flat wrong.

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i notice you testify of yourself a lot!
so i will tell you what you manifest here; i will go and read Bob, and most likely agree with it, and this is by your direction, so ty

marks said:

That Bob supports lgbtq? Seriously?

Personally, I'm surprised you've defended yourself, and not just apologized. So now you turn your vehemence on me. Big Surprise! (that's sarcasm)

Much love!

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Did I say he supports LGBT? Read what I wrote again. Don't say that I said he supports LGBT, that's bearing false witness since I, in fact, did not say that. Why would I apologize? Nothing to apologize for.

bbyrd009 said:

i notice you testify of yourself a lot!
so i will tell you what you manifest here; i will go and read Bob, and most likely agree with it, and this is by your direction, so ty

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I mean if you agree that only the direct quotes of God and Jesus are Scripture, then yes, you would agree with him. Which would also make you a heretic.

Bob Estey said:

Yet Jesus warns us about insulting people. Is that your way - insulting people you disagree with?

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Sometimes, yes.......it’s just one of my MANY flaws....probably the least of them.....

Check the record , though.....I usually don’t “ insult” anybody unless they have insulted me first

In your case, you have insulted God Himself by claiming that His Word in the Holy Bible is not 100% True and 100% inspired by the Holy Spirit .....it’s the “ Mother” Of insults....

Bob Estey said:

I think it was wrong for Paul to forbid women from speaking in churches. For that matter, I think it was wrong for Paul to claim men have authority over women. As Quietthinker pointed out, men don't even have authority over themselves.

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What “ YOU” think is Right or Wrong is Of no concern to God—- it should be of “ no concern” for anybody in these forums...

“Forever, oh Lord , is the Word SETTLED in Heaven....

Of course, you have the freedom to express your erroneous views—— Everybody has the right to be wrong...

BloodBought 1953 said:

What “ YOU” think is Right or Wrong is Of no concern to God—- it should be of “ no concern” for anybody in these forums...

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EXACTLY!!!!

reformed1689 said:

Don't say that I said he supports LGBT, that's bearing false witness since I, in fact, did not say that. Why would I apologize? Nothing to apologize for.

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reformed1689 said:

I guess he thinks men should be able to have babies too...you know, equal rights and all.......I'm sure he must approve of LGBT as well by his logic.

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reformed1689 said:

GOOD! You absolutely SHOULD get insulted if you disagree with Paul,

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As you wish. You make yourself known. I know ridicule when I see it, whatever stripe you try to paint it.

No matter, this has nothing to do with me. I've said what I have to say.

Much love!

marks said:

As you wish. You make yourself known. I know ridicule when I see it, whatever stripe you try to paint it.

No matter, this has nothing to do with me. I've said what I have to say.

Much love!

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Oh now ridicule is something else, not what you have been charging me with thus far though. But again, I dismiss this as ridicule. Rather a use of sarcasm and a fierce rebuke of his heresy.

Again, was Jesus wrong to call names and use sarcasm? Was he wrong to rebuke?

Bob Estey said:

Is the purpose of the Bible to introduce us to God (1 Thessalonians 5:17), or is the purpose of the Bible to beat people over the heads with?

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I think that "beating people over the head" is what we used to call "Holy Spirit Helper", when someone becomes verbally abusive with the excuse of "correcting" or however they want to put it. It was making the excuse to act any way you want, after all, Jesus called the Pharisees "hypocrits", so I can call you whatever I want, and just say I'm correcting you, rebuking you, whatever.

It's a good way to ignore one's self, to focus on someone else's faults. And as we've seen, it can leave you blind to your own. Mistreating someone in the name of love, that would be the hypocrisy, I should say!

Much love!

marks said:

I think that "beating people over the head" is what we used to call "Holy Spirit Helper", when someone becomes verbally abusive with the excuse of "correcting" or however they want to put it. It was making the excuse to act any way you want, after all, Jesus called the Pharisees "hypocrits", so I can call you whatever I want, and just say I'm correcting you, rebuking you, whatever.

It's a good way to ignore one's self, to focus on someone else's faults. And as we've seen, it can leave you blind to your own. Mistreating someone in the name of love, that would be the hypocrisy, I should say!

Much love!

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re·buke
[rəˈbyo͞ok]
VERB

1. express sharp disapproval or criticism of (someone) because of their behavior or actions:
   "she had rebuked him for drinking too much" ·
   reprimand · reproach · scold · admonish · reprove · remonstrate with ·
   [more]

NOUN

1. an expression of sharp disapproval or criticism:

Now look at 2 Timothy 4:2. We are COMMANDED to rebuke.

reformed1689 said:

Now look at 2 Timothy 4:2. We are COMMANDED to rebuke.

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Ephesians 4:29 KJV
Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.

Let that be your guide.

Much love!

The false doctrine of the Bible “alone” is for beating people over the head with!

marks said:

Ephesians 4:29 KJV
Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.

Let that be your guide.

Much love!

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I do.