How to go to Hell. Pt 1

theefaith said:

Please explain his in light of “faith Alone”?????

matt 25

33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:

36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?

38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?

39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?

40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:

43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.

44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?

45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.

46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

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When one is made righteous and converted into a new creation through faith in the forgiveness of God apart from works they produce righteous works because of the new righteous nature they have received. Those righteous works is what God will use to judge us at the end of the age as having been made righteous (born again) through the forgiveness of sin, or not. Those who have the evidence that shows they are born again enter into the kingdom of God. Those who can't show by how they lived that they have the righteousness that comes by faith go to the left and into the eternal fire.

The works in the passage you quoted are the evidence of one's righteousness, the righteousness they received when they believed. They are not the works one must do in order to earn passage into the kingdom as a debt owed to the person who performed them. That is a works gospel. That is the gospel the Catholic church teaches.

Behold said:

Stop reading it as...>"keep believing", and read it as "give your FAITH TO GOD"

And then, your "FAITH IS COUNTED............as......Righteousness".

See the "IS COUNTED"........its accepted, and then GOD DOES THE REST.

Philippians 1:6

We dont keep trying to BE SAVED........we become BORN AGAIN............because we ARE SAVED.


Salvation is not us trying to do it.
Salvation is Christ having finished it on the Cross, proven by the Resurrection, and by Christ saying on the Cross....."" IT IS FINISHED.""
Christ >finished< our Salvation, 2000 yrs ago, and when we BELIEVE, then GOD gives us what Christ has Finished on the Cross.

(it refers to the Passover not salvation )

See that?
That is "The GIFT of Salvation". and "the GIFT of Righteousess".

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so we are not really righteous?
Not really pure?
Not really holy?
Not really washed in the blood of Jesus Christ?

we don’t believe the gospel???
We don’t obey the commandments???
We don’t do anything???

Does the will of God:
Those who hear the Word of God and do it!
Ez 36:25-27
Matt 7:21
Matt 12:50
Mk 3:35
Lk 8:21
Lk 11:28
Jn 5:30
Jn7:17
Rom 12:2
Rev 17:7

Doer of the word
James 1:22-23

Keep my commandments:
Matt 28:20
Jn 14:21

Things we must do:
Matt 5:8
Jn 15:1-5
Lk 1:4
Acts 2:38

Must repent and do penance
Matt 3:2
Matt 3:8
Matt 4:17
Matt 9:13
Matt 16:24
Acts 2:38
Acts 3:19

Must believe and continue in a state of believing:
Jn3:16

Endure to the end:
Matt 24:13
Mark 13:13
Rev 2:26
Heb 3:14
Heb 6:11
Romans 11:22
Colossians 1:21-23
Hebrews 12:22-25
Hebrews 6:4
Hebrews 10:23-29, 35-39
Hebrews 3:4-6
1 John 2:24-25
2 John 8-9
Galatians 5:2-4
2 Timothy 2:11-13

Grace and works!

If you are given a bar of gold it is a free gift that you received, but you must use it, sell it and by food or pay bills, you must do something!

Grace is a free gift, but we corespond to it, and apply it to our life and spiritual needs!

We are members of Christ in his grace and filled with his spirit!

1 Corinthians 12:26
And whether one member suffer, all the members suffer with it; or one member be honoured, all the members rejoice with it.

1 Peter 4:13
But rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ's sufferings; that, when his glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy.

Religion is what man owes to God for having created him in His image and likeness!

To Christ for having redeemed him in His own blood!

to the Holy Spirit for sanctifying him in the sacraments of holy mother church!

it only Christ by His grace (merits of His blood passion and death) that we are enabled and empowered to actually be holy and righteous and all our actions

if we live by the spirit we put to death the deeds of the flesh

my grace is sufficient for you

Phil 4:13 I can do all things in Christ who strengthens me.

Jn 15:5 apart from me you can do nothing!

our participation is required

Matthew 16:24
Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.

Romans 8:17
And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together

2 Corinthians 12:9
And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.

Phil 1:29
For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;

Colossians 1:24
Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind (lacking) of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body's sake, which is the church:

Titus 2:14
Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, (redemption) and purify unto himself a peculiar people, (justification / baptism notice purify / wash) zealous of good works. (Sanctification)

amadeus said:

Why do you believe that?

Given that then what does this mean?

"And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men it is impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible." Mark 10:27

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faith alone. No!
Faith and sacraments yes!

Behold said:

Jesus never held or went to a Mass.

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it is His mass!

The holy sacrifice of Christ!

And He instituted the sacraments

Sacraments instituted by Christ for the salvation of souls!

It’s not a do it yourself religion!
It’s not a bible study!

It’s a covenant!

Not by “faith alone”
“Faith alone” not biblical
You may think “Accept Jesus Christ as you personal Lord and savior” is biblical but there is no such verse in your bible!

Faith and the sacraments in the church founded by the authority Christ on Peter and the apostles is biblical!

Faith and baptism is the biblical initiation into the new covenant and member is Christ and His holy church!

Psalm 51 (baptism)
Ez 36:25-27 Mk 16:16 acts 8:36-38

You cannot enter a covenant by “faith alone” must be a ritual outward sign!
Faith and baptism! Mk 16:16 acts 8:36-38

Merits of christ’s passion, death, and precious blood are applied in the sacraments! Jn 1:16

Colossians 1:20
And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

Matt 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

Acts 22:16
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

Rom 3:24
Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

1 pet 1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

Heb 10:22
Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.

Acts 2:47
Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

Romans 5:5
And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

Lk 1: 72 To perform the mercy promised to our fathers, and to remember his holy covenant;

73 The oath which he sware to our father Abraham,

74 That he would grant unto us, that we being delivered out of the hand of our enemies might serve him without fear,

There is only one true church founded by Christ on Peter and the apostles and their successors is the new covenant body of Christ! Matt 1:18 & Jn 10:16 one fold

1 Timothy 3:15
But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.

Christ and His church are one: acts 9 why persecute me?

Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,


Sacraments are the fruit of the sacrifice!
The holy sacrifice of Christ, His passion, blood, and death producing unlimited fruits of divine grace, actual and sanctifying grace! Jn 1:29 Jn 1:16-17 Jn 10:10


“This promise” (sacred oath of God or sacrament) of the Father acts 2:38-39 with reference to ez 36:25-27 Also a mystery Mk 4:11 Eph 5:32 eph 6:19 1 Tim 3:9 3:16 Col 1:27 2:2 4:3

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

Ez 36:25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.

26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

Jn 3:5 born again by water and the spirit.

Heb 7:21 For those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by him that said unto him, The Lord sware and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec
(Oath = sacrament)

Hebrews 8:6
But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises. Based on Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:


A promise is a sacred oath or sacrament!
Baptismal regeneration is the promise of the Father for union in the new covenant!

The church and the seven sacraments are necessary for salvation

Better covenant on better promises

2 Timothy 1:1
Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, according to the promise of life which is in Christ Jesus,

Life of supernatural grace merited by Christ in His passion and death!

An oath to sacramental life in the new covenant in union with the mediator and communion with God, and the saints!

Promise of the Father acts 2:23-39
Promise is an oath and an oath is a sacrament! This promise of the sacrament of baptism refers to ez. 36:25-27

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.


1 Pet 3:20
Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us!
(Ark of Noah a type of the church, member of Christ and his church and salvation by baptism!)
(Outside the ark all died and outside the church there is no salvation!)

St. Paul tells the faithful at Ephesus that they have been “sealed with the promised holy Spirit.” This is in terms of an indelible character imprinted on the soul in the sacraments of baptism and confirmation. It is not as if this invisible mark is simply decorative. Rather, through it, we are enabled to participate in Christ’s mission and in his offices of priest, prophet, and king. Eph 1:13

Sealed by God eph 1:13 in the ark of salvation by baptism just as Noah was sealed by God in the ark of the flood gen 7:16

Sealed in the ark, sealed in the church the ark of salvation by baptism!

Jn 1:5-5 abide in Him, apart from Him you can do nothing.

Jn 10:10 life, (grace more abundantly)
Jn 1: 16 And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.

Jn 1:16-17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
(Thru faith and the sacraments!)

faith yes!
Faith alone no!

more please explain


“Faith alone” accomplishes nothing!
1 cor 13:2 even all faith (alone) without charity avails NOTHING!!!

Romans 13:11
And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.

Ferris Bueller said:

This is exactly why there is the Catholic church with it's works gospel and the rest of us who have rejected your works gospel. Your gospel is no different than the Jews who thought their works removed all sin and made them right with God.

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redemption is accomplished apart works our works or participation
Then justification by faith and baptism
Then we have works increase grace virture prayer fasting alm etc then salvation when we die

that’s biblical


Please explain this in light of “faith Alone”?????

Matt 25

33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:

36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?

38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?

39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?

40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:

43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.

44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?

45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.

46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Notice: 46 the righteous, really righteous!

Ferris Bueller said:

This is exactly why there is the Catholic church with it's works gospel and the rest of us who have rejected your works gospel. Your gospel is no different than the Jews who thought their works removed all sin and made them right with God.

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There is not one that says:

blessed are those with faith alone!
Or faith apart from works?????

Matt 5 And seeing the multitudes, he went up into a mountain: and when he was set, his disciples came unto him:

2 And he opened his mouth, and taught them, saying,

3 Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

4 Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.

5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.

6 Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.

7 Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.

8 Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.

9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.

10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.

12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.

Is it just me , or do others see that thee faith seems to never really listen to what one is saying .
All i see him do is keep going to his cut copy and paste . Often we have discussions and he never seems to remember anything
i have said . Thee faith , just go into that bible and learn that JESUS for yourself my friend .
Actually learn the BIBLE and stop running to cut copy and paste .

theefaith said:

blessed are those with faith alone!
Or faith apart from works?????

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The proper phrase is "righteousness apart from works" (Romans 4:6). "Faith alone" is James' argument (James 2:24) and means something entirely different.

"Righteousness apart from works" means the righteousness that makes you right with God comes to you from God as a free gift that you do not work for. As opposed to the righteousness that comes from you to God in the form of your righteous works. Your righteousness is woefully insufficient to make you right with God. And so God provided a way that you can receive the righteousness that comes from him and which makes you right with him. The Catholic church polluted this simple truth with their required works they say make you right with God. And they did that to make you slaves to them.

Behold said:

...and are trying to do for yourself by "holding onto my faith"....when God has already accepted your faith, LONG AGO, and gave you his Salvation.

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Look what the author who teaches us about the 'one time for all time' sacrifice of Christ says:


You talk like what I've been saying about holding onto the word in faith is somehow alien from the teaching about the sufficiency of Christ's ministry and sacrifice. And yet here we see the very author who teaches us about Christ's ministry and sacrifice telling us to hold on to our profession of faith.

Behold said:

Did you ever wonder why you can study the New Testament for 400 years, verse by verse and never find a verse that says that God, Christ, and the Holy Spirit, will ever leave you......for any reason?

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Without getting into specific passages, each man has to discern the scriptures for himself and decide whether it's possible that he can stop believing and depart from the faith in unbelief and be lost. What's important is that he be a believing person all the way to the end of his life, because unbelievers do not inherit the kingdom of God.

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He has people worrying about "abiding", and "if i stop abiding, im going to hell'.

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The person in whom the word does not remain does not have the Father or the Son. They are not saved:

Behold said:

He takes our faith, and God SAVES US.....its DONE.... this is why we have ETERNAL LIFE< RIGHT NOW !! and are not waiting to get it.

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And yet the Bible tells us to hold on to the word in faith, or else be lost. A truth your teaching is unable to reconcile with the sufficiency, faithfulness, and permanence of Christ's ministry and sacrifice. And so you discard the truth about the necessity of holding on to the word in faith.

Ferris Bueller said:

The proper phrase is "righteousness apart from works" (Romans 4:6). "Faith alone" is James' argument (James 2:24) and means something entirely different.

"Righteousness apart from works" means the righteousness that makes you right with God comes to you from God as a free gift that you do not work for. As opposed to the righteousness that comes from you to God in the form of your righteous works. Your righteousness is woefully insufficient to make you right with God. And so God provided a way that you can receive the righteousness that comes from him and which makes you right with him. The Catholic church polluted this simple truth with their required works they say make you right with God. And they did that to make you slaves to them.

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Amen brother! Christ saves us through faith based on the merits of His finished work of redemption "alone" and not based on the merits of our works. It is through faith (rightly understood) "in Christ alone" (and not based on the merits of our works) that we are justified based on Christ (Romans 3:24; 4:5-6; 5:1); yet the faith that justifies does not remain alone (unfruitful, barren) if it is genuine. (James 2:14-24)

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Jesus told YOU....>" you shall never perish" once you are born again, and you think you will, unless you "hold unto my faith and try to keep from going to hell".

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The promise is for believing people, not for unbelieving people:

The permanence, sufficiency, and faithfulness of Christ's sacrifice and ministry applies to the believing person ('believes' is in the present tense), not to the one who never really believed or who has stopped believing. Believing people will never be lost. The promise is for believing people. Why is this so hard for you to grasp? Some say a true believer can never stop believing. Some say they can. It's up to every man to discern that matter for himself. The important thing is that we all agree that one must be a believing person in order to be saved when Jesus comes back. The promise is for believing people. You apparently aren't aware that the original OSAS teaching says you have to believe all the way to the end to be saved at the judgment.