The Insanity of the "right" to have guns!

Grailhunter said:

The history of the world.....the peacekeeper that keeps the peace....carries the biggest stick.

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And yet none of them carries the SWORD of the TRUE ONE that GIVETH TRUE PEACE .
FOR IN JESUS we have peace with GOD .
Todays message of peace is totally false . The message of true peace , IS THE MESSAGE OF RECONCILATION .
AND THAT IS THE GLORIOUS GOSPEL OF CHRIST which in HE ALONE is one reconciled to GOD .
But that message gets in the way of todays peace message . But what i do say to one i would say to all ,
Their peace and one world safety wont end well . For about the time they are hollering peace and safety ,
Great destruction shall fall upon them and they shall not escape .
For there shall be no peace unto the wicked . THE ONLY WAY TO HAVE PEACE WITH GOD , IS IN JESUS CHRIST ALONE .
AND that i TAKE TO MY GRAVE OR TILL THE LORD HIMSELF DOES COME . I suggest all do the same too .

amigo de christo said:

And yet none of them carries the SWORD of the TRUE ONE that GIVETH TRUE PEACE .
FOR IN JESUS we have peace with GOD .
Todays message of peace is totally false . The message of true peace , IS THE MESSAGE OF RECONCILATION .
AND THAT IS THE GLORIOUS GOSPEL OF CHRIST which in HE ALONE is one reconciled to GOD .
But that message gets in the way of todays peace message . But what i do say to one i would say to all ,
Their peace and one world safety wont end well . For about the time they are hollering peace and safety ,
Great destruction shall fall upon them and they shall not escape .
For there shall be no peace unto the wicked . THE ONLY WAY TO HAVE PEACE WITH GOD , IS IN JESUS CHRIST ALONE .
AND that i TAKE TO MY GRAVE OR TILL THE LORD HIMSELF DOES COME . I suggest all do the same too .

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Please stop shouting! It really does nothing to enhance your post and I know I don't want to read your posts because of it.

amigo de christo said:

And yet none of them carries the SWORD of the TRUE ONE that GIVETH TRUE PEACE .

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True peace is not in history...past or present....that occurs after Christ returns.
One of reasons that I say no evil in heaven....the battle between good and evil will not continue on in heaven.
Revelation.....the evildoers and all of evil will end up in the lake of fire.
What do you think, do they burn in the lake of fire, like those in hell? Do you think it is just a portal to hell, more or less the same thing. Those that live sinful lives and preach that is the way of the Lord.....what do you think??

Naomanos said:

You are twisting what I have said. I support the right for people to make their own choices. There is a difference. What people choose to do they choose to do. I cannot force them to choose what I would have them choose. Yes, my daughter is gay. I cannot change that fact. She has made her choice. So either I shun her, or I love her as my daughter. I will continue to love her as my daughter. To shun her would push her away.

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This to me sounds like you are not rebuking any sin in a person’s life to help them. Chastening or disciplining one’s child in letting them know certain things in life are wrong is a part of helping them to make right choices. We can love them, but we should not make it like their sin is non-existent or okay.

So you are for the right for people to make their own sinful choices? How far does that go? Would you support your child if they were Hitler and slaughtered tons of Jews every day?

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As for abortions. Again, I allow people to make their choices. I am against abortion for myself. Those that have born my children born them with no mention of abortion being uttered. This is the reason I have seven kids. With that said, if someone who isn't me or is married to me wants an abortion, again I cannot stop them. They get to make their choice. I cannot force them to not have an abortion. I am not pro-abortion. I allow people to make their choice. Just as God allows us to either follow Him or not. If they want to have an abortion and go against God, if God allows it, who I am to stop them? So please, stop calling me a Liberal. Actual Liberals would laugh at you calling me a Liberal and I am not talking about political Liberals either.

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You support the slaughtering of innocent life because you voted Democrat.

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If you are for the free will support of people murdering innocent babies, and you chock it up to free will choice, this is merely hiding behind the issue. You simply are turning a blind eye to the evil and saying it is out of your hands. It’s not out of your hands if you vote and support those who do actually murder innocent life. Your hands are stained red with the blood of the innocent by voting for that position.

You said:

You need to be very careful with your words here. Just because my favorite character in The Hobbit which many many Christians would argue is neither worldly nor sinful, is a female, it doesn't mean that I am sinning by having her as my avatar.

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The Hobbit/Lord of the Rings promotes the sin of witchcraft and demonic imagery without any kind of rebuke or perspective in context to the Bible. So your promotion of this image is to encourage others to enjoy these sinful movies.

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Also, just because you interpret scriptures differently than I do in regards to self-defense and other topics doesn't mean that I am worldly and we all sin, so you need to stop pretending that you don't.

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No offense, but liberals think in carnal and worldly ways. This is why you stated you believe in Evolution (Source) (like the rest of the unbelieving world believes in Evolution).

One of the beliefs of Liberal Christianity is defined as Christians accepting Evolution. See here:

Liberal Christianity - Wikipedia

You also promote sinful movies like Indiana Jones. The third film has fornication by the main characters in it without any kind or rebuke of that sin.

You said:

I have no issues talking about the Bible, what I take issue with is someone who says they are right and no matter what anyone says to prove they are wrong continue to say they are right. That is you. Scripture has been posted in this thread to prove that you are wrong and you dismiss it all and declare you are right. I won't engage in that type of Bible discussion.

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This is why we will never get anywhere in our discussions. It’s because you never bring up Scripture. You don’t bring up Scripture with your daughter and her gay life when you should. So why even argue with me if you cannot pick up your sword to defend your belief here. What’s the point? Offer your opinion and then run? Faith comes by hearing and hearing the Word of God (Romans 10:17), and not by your own words or opinions.

You are carrying the wrong sword.
Get rid of your gun and pick up the Bible instead.

Grailhunter said:

True peace is not in history...past or present....that occurs after Christ returns.
One of reasons that I say no evil in heaven....the battle between good and evil will not continue on in heaven.
Revelation.....the evildoers and all of evil will end up in the lake of fire.
What do you think, do they burn in the lake of fire, like those in hell? Do you think it is just a portal to hell, more or less the same thing. Those that live sinful lives and preach that is the way of the Lord.....what do you think??

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Both hell and the dead are cast into the lake of fire . As is everyone not written in the LAMBS , notice it dont say BUDDA , MUHAMMED
Or any other god . IT says the LAMBS BOOK OF LIFE . THUS i BELIEVE that we are getting taught a massive false
all inclusive and false love unity gospel and worse many are now believing this lie .
And though i dont fully understand all things about the lake of fire , I DO KNOW ALL who believe this many path lie , WILL SEE that very lake of fire
at their end . THAT I DO KNOW . SO i suggest we stop heeding these lets find common ground unity pastors
and start pointing to JESUS and sound doctrine . LETS LEARN the ONE WHO CAN SAVE and DOES SAVE . DO be encouraged .
Dont heed pope francis nor his many protestant leaders who have sold their churches out to this social all inclusive LIE go spell for world peace .
Cause the end of that lie , WELL IT IS the lake of fire . SO though i may not understand everything , I DO KNOW THAT .

Bible Highlighter said:

You said, I quote:

“I have a thirteen-year-old daughter who, several months ago let me know that she is gay. It was initially a shock, but only initially.

I have accepted her for who she is. I still love her for who she is. That will never change! I will not try to change her. I will not throw bible verses at her. She is who she is.”
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You said, I quote:

“I have no issues with LGBQT people. My teenage daughter is gay. I love her and support her. If she lived close to me I might even attend LGBQT meetings with her.”​

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This to me sounds like you are not rebuking any sin in a person’s life to help them. Chastening or disciplining one’s child in letting them know certain things in life are wrong is a part of helping them to make right choices. We can love them, but we should not make it like their sin is non-existent or okay.

So you are for the right for people to make their own sinful choices? How far does that go? Would you support your child if they were Hitler and slaughtered tons of Jews every day?



You support the slaughtering of innocent life because you voted Democrat.

You said, I quote:

“I voted according to the Bible and that vote went straight blue. Why? Love thy neighbor. I feel that democrats love their neighbors far more than Republicans do. Democrats aren't pro-abortion, they are pro-choice and yes there is a huge difference.”​

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If you are for the free will support of people murdering innocent babies, and you chock it up to free will choice, this is merely hiding behind the issue. You simply are turning a blind eye to the evil and saying it is out of your hands. It’s not out of your hands if you vote and support those who do actually murder innocent life. Your hands are stained red with the blood of the innocent by voting for that position.



The Hobbit/Lord of the Rings promotes the sin of witchcraft and demonic imagery without any kind of rebuke or perspective in context to the Bible. So your promotion of this image is to encourage others to enjoy these sinful movies.



Liberals think in carnal and worldly ways. This is why you stated you believe in Evolution (Source) (like the rest of the unbelieving world believes in Evolution). You also promote sinful movies like Indian Jones. The third film has fornication by the main characters in it without any kind or rebuke of that sin.



This is why we will never get anywhere in our discussions. It’s because you never bring up Scripture. You don’t bring up Scripture with your daughter and her gay life when you should. So why even argue with me if you cannot pick up your sword to defend your belief here. What’s the point? Offer your opinion and then run? Faith comes by hearing and hearing the Word of God (Romans 10:17), and not by your own words or opinions.

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Whatever BH, I'm done discussing things with you because if I don't mention something, I must not have done it and you continue to twist my words to your view of things, which isn't necessarily the right way of doing things. I am not going to abandon my daughter since that is exactly what she expected I would do.

You also don't understand that there are far more important issues than abortion at stake in elections.

Nothing that I said above goes against anything you cited from me. I have maintained everything and still say the same thing.

You go on labeling people what you will! I am done with you. When I see you in heaven, I will be sure to go the other way so you don't have to associate with me.

Naomanos said:

Whatever BH, I'm done discussing things with you because if I don't mention something, I must not have done it and you continue to twist my words to your view of things, which isn't necessarily the right way of doing things. I am not going to abandon my daughter since that is exactly what she expected I would do.

You also don't understand that there are far more important issues than abortion at stake in elections.

Nothing that I said above goes against anything you cited from me. I have maintained everything and still say the same thing.

You go on labeling people what you will! I am done with you. When I see you in heaven, I will be sure to go the other way so you don't have to associate with me.

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So we have different views on many things in the Bible. I try to honor what God’s Word says, and Non-Violence (lethal force or harmful force used against one’s attackers) is not what I see Jesus and His followers teach.

Anyways, we can agree to disagree.
May the Lord’s love shine upon you.

Side Note:

Hopefully the mods will take under consideration post #684.

Bible Highlighter said:

I don’t believe a Christian can sin or justify sin and still be saved. So we have different views on many things in the Bible. I try to honor what God’s Word says, and Non-Violence (lethal force or harmful force used against one’s attackers) is not what I see Jesus and His followers teach.

Anyways, we can agree to disagree.
May the Lord’s love shine upon you.

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So, according to you, I am not saved. That is against the rules of this forum. Either retract it or I will report you for saying that I am not saved which basically means I am not a Christian.

Naomanos said:

So, according to you, I am not saved. That is against the rules of this forum. Either retract it or I will report you for saving that I am not saved which basically means I am not a Christian.

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I am not saying your not a Christian. I just don’t believe Christians can justify sin their whole lives, and be saved in the end. If you believe you are not justifying sin, then that is between you and the Lord Jesus. But know that Jesus will quote Scripture with you, and look at everything in your life and examine it very closely. We have to accept or receive the words of the Lord Jesus Christ or those words can judge us on the last day (John 12:48). This would even include me. If there is nothing I am accepting in His Word, then I can also face judgment by my Lord and be cast out, too. I am not above God’s Word any more than you are.

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I am not saying your not a Christian. I just don’t believe Christians can justify sin their whole lives, and be saved in the end. If you believe you are not justifying sin, then that is between you and the Lord Jesus. But know that Jesus will quote Scripture with you, and look at everything in your life and examine it very closely. We have to accept or receive the words of the Lord Jesus Christ or those words can judge us on the last day (John 12:48). This would even include me. If there is nothing I am accepting in His Word, then I can also face judgment by my Lord and be cast out, too. I am not above God’s Word any more than you are.

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Then I will let the moderators handle it since you are unwilling to retract your statement against me.

And congrats! You are the first person I have ever put on ignore!!

Naomanos said:

Then I will let the moderators handle it since you are unwilling to retract your statement against me.

And congrats! You are the first person I have ever put on ignore!!

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I cannot change the truth about what I believe the Bible says to cater to you or to even protect myself. If the mods want to punish me for expressing my beliefs on the topic of salvation, then they need to not only punish me, but they need to punish many others here for dong the same thing. But if that is the case, then nobody would post here out of fear that they could not speak their beliefs or opinions.

Anyways, may the Lord Jesus Christ get all the glory for standing up for the truth (if I am punished for my stating what I believe the Bible teaches).

May also the Lord Jesus Christ bless you and protect you (even if we disagree strongly on many things in the Bible).

1 Peter 3:8-9
8 Finally, all of you, have unity of spirit, sympathy, love of the brethren, a tender heart and a humble mind.
9 Do not return evil for evil or reviling for reviling; but on the contrary bless, for to this you have been called, that you may obtain a blessing.

Romans 12:17-21
17 Never repay anyone evil for evil. Take thought for what is right and gracious and proper in the sight of everyone. - AMP
18 and do your best to live at peace with everyone. - CEV
19 Christian brothers, never pay back someone for the bad he has done to you. Let the anger of God take care of the other person. - NLV for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.
20 Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head.
21 Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good. - KJV

1 Thessalonians 5:15 See that none of you repays evil for evil, but always seek to do good to one another and to all.

May God bless everyone here (even if we disagree on what the Bible says).

Naomanos said:

Whatever BH, I'm done discussing things with you because if I don't mention something, I must not have done it and you continue to twist my words to your view of things, which isn't necessarily the right way of doing things. I am not going to abandon my daughter since that is exactly what she expected I would do.

You also don't understand that there are far more important issues than abortion at stake in elections.

Nothing that I said above goes against anything you cited from me. I have maintained everything and still say the same thing.

You go on labeling people what you will! I am done with you. When I see you in heaven, I will be sure to go the other way so you don't have to associate with me.

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Common complaint with Bible Highlighter. I have warned him several times.

Grailhunter said:

Common complaint with Bible Highlighter. I have warned him several times.

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It's a complaint I have had with him on a different forum as well. He just doesn't seem to get it.

Grailhunter said:

Common complaint with Bible Highlighter. I have warned him several times.

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Yes. If one is liberal, I am not afraid to say to others that one is based on educational sources, and evangelical Christianity. It’s not a misrepresentation because one can simply Google to see that certain beliefs you both have espoused fall under the Liberal Christianity camp. You can both deny such labels until the cows come home but that does not undo the reality of such a thing. You both believe in Evolution and so according to even Wikipedia (an educational source), that places you both in the Liberal Christian group. You both have rejected the label that you are liberal. This again does not undo reality of how liberals are classified. In other words, I have had somebody who said they held to the five points of Calvinism and yet they told me they are not a Calvinist. This to me is illogical. It is simply a rejection of the label that goes with the belief system. I believe this is done so as to distance themselves from the bad things associated with that particular label.

To all:

If you shoot your enemy, and they die, then you cannot tell them about Jesus Christ.
In other words, one is saying that their own life is better than another’s life.
But were we not once slaves to our sins and evil in God’s sight?
But we have been washed and cleansed to walk uprightly with our Lord.
They deserve no less this beautiful and amazing grace, too.
But shooting them shuts up the hope of grace for them.
So I see a gun as being selfish and not selfless.

To all:

So I call all here to put down your carnal weapons!
And pick up the real weapons that are spiritual to fight instead.
Trust in the Lord and lean not on your own understanding.

Grailhunter said:

First of all the word fornication is a theological scam and caused a lot false beliefs and sin.

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I would definitely like to hear more about the above and your research into it.