What if you lose your faith?

Behold said:

The only path to Heaven, is Jesus.
He said so....... John 14:6

You are not on that path, according to your years of posting cult nonsense on the Forum, and im sure not just this one.

You said you are having "fun".
Well, keep having it, and one day that will end for you.
Prove me right, again.

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Again you error. The Bible testifies to the fact that a person can sin to the extent that they will not make it to heaven. Again you have been given all the scriptures that prove that....but Christ's words and the scriptures are just something for you to ignore and belittle. Again the doctrine and character of OSAS.

But the truth is...
2nd Corinthians :5:10: For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

1st Corinthians 6:9-10 “Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will not inherit the kingdom of God.”

Galatians 5:21 “Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions, envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.”

Revelation 21:8
But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”

Behold said:

However, God does not save you, because you got in the water and someone sprinkled you and said some words......nor does He save you because i baptized you by immersion.

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Nor are you saved by being disobedient to Christ and the Apostles. Which is what OSAS is all about.

Behold said:

You've sinned recently.
So has your Church's leader.
So, "get real".....is my advice., as you are too long in the sandbox, Grailhunter.

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All have sinned and have fallen short of the glory of God. But just because we have sinned does not justify a life of sin.

Behold said:

So, the only reason God does not allow a person into heaven, is because they have never been BORN AGAIN.

Water can't do that for you.
Mary can't do that for you.
Moroni can't do that for you.
Communion can't do that for you.

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Are you debating with yourself.
Born again is the beginning of the journey. How many times have you been given the scriptures that prove you can derail yourself from that journey.

Mary, are we discussing Mary?

Communion does not save you....who is saying that? But arriving on Judgment day with no life in you and have not abide in Christ cannot be a good thing. Try reading the scriptures. What did Christ say about it. Believe it or not what He said matters. Your effort to cherry pick scriptures to justify sin is a battle against Christ and the scriptures.

Behold said:

OSAS is "all about " unsaved people, trying to work their way into heaven.

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Christianity was first called The Way....I am not saying we work our way to heaven. Followers and believers...what does that mean?
It does not mean belittling Christ's Words. It does not mean cherry picking the scriptures to justify sin. What does it mean to be a follower of Christ? Can you be a believer and not a follower of Christ and the Apostles? The words are there and the examples are there. None of that suggests a tolerance to sin and immorality. Be good and do good....very simple. But OSAS stands against Christ and the scripures.

Behold said:

Maybe you can look for an argument with someone else? Or you can read what i wrote, carefully.

I just told you, that you have to give GOD your FAITH, so that He will Give you Salvation.

Can you not understand this?
Is that the issue?

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Thank you for bearing with me thru this.

Yes! That is the issue. What you have been taught makes no sense and I do not understand it. And I am not looking to argue. I am just trying to figure out what you are saying and I was hoping you could better explain your theory.

I agree with you that we have to....as you say...Give to God our faith so that we can OBTAIN salvation. God doesn't GIVE us Salvation, we earn it thru FAITH in Him. Once that faith is gone, we loose Salvation. That means we can only obtain salvation IF we keep the faith. You stated that our faith does not save us. But LOGICALLY, if we never had faith then we would never be saved. Right? So logic destroys what your men have taught you. In other words we can save ourself IF we have faith.

According to Scripture even if we do have faith that faith is dead without works. So just having faith ALONE does not guarantee us salvation.

Behold said:

You wrote that "all have sinned" and now you flipped on that to.>"be good and do good, very simple".

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No flip just truth. Like I said, because you have sinned does not justify a life of sin. A religion of sin?

We do the best we can, always striving to be good and do good. That is what grace is about....the forgiveness of sin for those that are faithful to their best to obey and please God.

Behold said:

Listen, there are no "do good SINNERS" in Heaven.
Understand?
Do you understand?
But you can try it., as you seem to think you'll be the only one.
Good luck with that.

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And again that is your problem....OSAS gives up to sin....to live a life of sin and think you are going to heaven. God made this clear from the very beginning....If you do what is right, will you not be accepted? But if you do not do what is right, sin is crouching at your door; it desires to have you, but you must rule over it.” Genesis 4:7 You can give up to sin to the point that it has you, it becomes your character and apparently your religion.

Behold said:

Your patience issue is not my problem, its yours.
Deal with it.

Also,
Christ never told anyone to take communion to be born again, or to be saved, or to have eternal life.
Deceivers teach this Cross Rejecting Theology.

the "water cults"....that include "the Cult of Mary" and the "Jehovah's witness" cult, both teach that water is necessary for salvation, and that eating the communion is salvation.

These are the devil's lies.
Try not to continue to teach them, Grailhunter.

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Jesus was part of the "water cult". The Apostles were part of the "water cult". The NT Christians were part of the "water cult". Sounds like us Christians are in good company.

What your men have taught you and what you falsely preach is OPPOSITE of what Scripture teaches: baptism doth also now save us

Behold said:

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Here are some thoughts, regarding "Losing your Faith"

Here is the reality... > Your Faith does not save you.
God SAVED you >through your Faith. = ONCE.... Proof = BORN AGAIN.
Big difference.
Vital Distinction.

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If thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

When a person has faith AND they confess with their mouth then they will be saved. If you don't have faith you will not declare with your mouth which means faith DOES save you. Big difference and a vital distinction from what your men have taught you.

Grailhunter said:

That is kind of what I said....copy and pasted here....
I am not a Jew. Did he say we are the sons of Abraham or he is the father of our faith.
The gentiles were definitely not the sons of Abraham.....and my ancestry would point to gentiles.
Now in that time period there were Jewish-Christians and Paul was one of them.

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Sorry GH maybe I misunderstood.

So you are happy to agree that Abraham is the Father of all who have faith Jew and gentile alike ???

Some of the debate will disappear if we can agree that faith is a gift rather than something we do...

Carl Emerson said:

Sorry GH maybe I misunderstood.

So you are happy to agree that Abraham is the Father of all who have faith Jew and gentile alike ???

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I am ok if you believe that. The term father maybe a stretch as far as DNA goes.
Abraham was more or less the founder of the Yahwehists and that set the stage for everything that followed.
In "Romans" it is kind of like....Paul was doing some reminiscing trying to throw the a Jews a bone. They had rejected Christ....they had dogged his ministry. They rejected the Messiah that they had waited for, for over 700 years. They had lost their kingdom and had been subjugated for nearly as long. Then in the end....Crucify Him! Crucify Him! Let is blood be on us and our children! I am thinking that Paul was concerned about his brothers and what the future would hold for them.

Grailhunter said:

I am ok if you believe that. The term father maybe a stretch as far as DNA goes.
Abraham was more or less the founder of the Yahwehists and that set the stage for everything that followed.
In "Romans" it is kind of like....Paul was doing some reminiscing trying to throw the a Jews a bone. They had rejected Christ....they had dogged his ministry. They rejected the Messiah that they had waited for, for over 700 years. They had lost their kingdom and had been subjugated for nearly as long. Then in the end....Crucify Him! Crucify Him! Let is blood be on us and our children! I am thinking that Paul was concerned about his brothers and what the future would hold for them.

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Yes the reference is not to a physical father as the promise was to a seed (Christ) and the relationship is spiritual.

Behold said:

Ahh.
So you are a follower of the apostles now?
Something new this week.
In that case, here is that verse again.

Paul Said :"be a follower of me as i follow Christ".

You didnt like this verse 2 days ago, but today you are a "follower" so, enjoy that verse.

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Well I am a follower of Christ.....now I can go down the line with the Apostles and such.