Do you believe there is a gate to hell?

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Wakka

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Do you believe that there is a gate to hell on earth? Maybe a series of caves? Is there any information about it in scriptures?
 

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Do you believe that there is a gate to hell on earth? Maybe a series of caves? Is there any information about it in scriptures?
Perishing our souls is the hell.
 

Jon-Marc

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Matt. 16:18 mentions "the gates of hell". Whether that's literal or figurative I don't know. Not everything in the Bible can be taken literally--like the words in Isa. 55:12 that speak of trees clapping their hands. I've never seen trees with hands.:bible:
 

Wakka

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Well, It could be trees branches clapping each other in the wind. I don't know.
 

Jordan

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Lord Jesus (Yahshua) Christ went to Hell. He died for the Just and the unjust. He went to Hell and preached unto the spirits in prison (Hell.)I Peter 3:18-19 - For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;To go to Hell, is to not trust Him and follow Lucifer wicked ways.Not to mention Lucifer is the first to be damned into Hell for eternity.Ezekiel 28:18 - Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.Lovest thou in Christ Jesus (Yahshua) our Lord and Saviour.
 

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wo, hold on there, Hell and the prison are different. Gates to hell being literal? caves? no. I've explained this before and it's tiring to do it again, but quickly, there are many words for what we call 'Hell'. That word, is not in the Bible anymore than 'Trinity'. See, there are a few words that are used in the scriptures, which we translate all as 'Hell'. Sheol, Gehennah, Tartarus, Abyss, Hades, and so forth. Look into the meanings of the words and try to look them up separately. Yes they are related in concept, but that's how Hell is presented. These words are pictures for us of what we know as 'Hell'. Nobody is in hell, Hell is yet to come. It is not infinite torture, but eternal destruction of the soul, just as the early Church father Justin Martyr argues. Matthew 10:28 makes clear what Hell does to the soul if the Father decides.Hell is not down under our feet anymore than heaven is on mount Olympus or on the clouds.SuperJag; Jesus went to the prison, not to hell.
 

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No.. and yes...No, Hell is Death of the Soul. Stop conceptualizing Hell as a geographical area, or a created 'space'. Hell is the destruction.The Abyss is a 'spiritual place', if it is right to call it that.
 

Christina

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What Tetra is telling you is true. say you are an evil person that refuses to change and accept Christ you (your soul) will just cease to exist no one will remember you it will be as if you never were the second death death of the soul.
 

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I have to agree with Kriss and Tetra. I was once a pentacostal/AOG and boy did they fill my head with some mubo jumbo or what! What you are saying sounds like the kind of stuff I was told. I really dont want to sound cruel but most of the AOG leaders belong more in a phsyciatric ward than a church.This one I was in was Australias largest AOG. I witnessed it send some people actually mad. One girl was insane with fear of demons being everywhere trying to trick her and make her do things against God. She eventually had a medical nervous breakdown. I fronted the head man and asked why they taught such insane things which were obviously sending some people, the weaker of the congregation, mad.I was told with no ifs or buts "who sent you to tell me this, you will go to hell for what you have just said". Serious, stay clear of them like the plague.We were taught about demons possesing objects in our homes like ornaments which made us do bad things, demons in our bodies, in fact if anything they were the ones who were demon possesed.Take care out there mate.
 

Wakka

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But there are accounts of people dieing, and seeing first hand the abyss. Then being revived back to life, and accepting Christ.Never mind. It's abyss.
 

Christina

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What does this really prove the abyss is where Satan is thrown but there is no eternal suffering in what we would call hell even if you are thrown in the abyss you cease to exit. Just because someone says they saw a pit means nothing. I have even heard that when you die you will see what you expect to see if you are in Gods word you expect to see heaven.Think about it like this God is only a God of Love he can not to evil Satan does the evil if Satan is thrown in the abyss and ceases to exist if people were suffering in hell for eternity wouldn't that mean God would have to be causing their suffering?as Satan would be gone? And this is impossible God can not do evil.
 

Jordan

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That's right Kriss, For Lucifer has not been in Hell yet. He still in Heaven , but his spirit is here on Earth. And yes you are right, God can not do evil...Sure he kills unrighteousness because of their evil actions against Him. All evil actions are against God.Psalm 97:10 - Ye that love the LORD, hate evil: he preserveth the souls of his saints; he delivereth them out of the hand of the wicked.
 

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That's right Kriss, For Lucifer has not been in Hell yet. He still in Heaven , but his spirit is here on Earth. And yes you are right, God can not do evil...Sure he kills unrighteousness because of their evil actions against Him. All evil actions are against God.
I agree with you SupJag. But I think Lucifer has access to Heaven but is not located there. He was cast down when he first sinned. Isaiah 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! See - there is more then 1 heaven. There are Heavens and there is a HEAVEN OF HEAVENS. This is God's dwelling place with His throne. And it is entirely Holy! And there are heavens with angels (both God's and Satan's) this is where the spiritual WAR takes place!!! That's why when God sent Michael to deliver news/answer to Daniel - michael was stopped on the way down. And Satan fought him for 3 weeks. I really think that spiritual battle is in Heavens between earth and Heaven of Heavens where God is. Deuteronomy 10:14 Behold, the heaven and the heaven of heavens is the LORD's thy God, the earth also, with all that therein is. 1 Kings 8:27 But will God indeed dwell on the earth? behold, the heaven and heaven of heavens cannot contain thee; how much less this house that I have builded? It does say Lucifer was cast down. It doesn't say to teh earth, hell, or soem other place. Just down from the highest Heaven. I really think that our spiritual battle is agains the darkness (Satan's world) that is between us and God. Bible often talks about battle in spiritual world. And it can not be in God's dwelling place, and it's not on earth, so it's in between because Devil was cast down .
 

Jordan

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wo, hold on there, Hell and the prison are different. Gates to hell being literal? caves? no. I've explained this before and it's tiring to do it again, but quickly, there are many words for what we call 'Hell'. That word, is not in the Bible anymore than 'Trinity'. See, there are a few words that are used in the scriptures, which we translate all as 'Hell'. Sheol, Gehennah, Tartarus, Abyss, Hades, and so forth. Look into the meanings of the words and try to look them up separately. Yes they are related in concept, but that's how Hell is presented. These words are pictures for us of what we know as 'Hell'. Nobody is in hell, Hell is yet to come. It is not infinite torture, but eternal destruction of the soul, just as the early Church father Justin Martyr argues. Matthew 10:28 makes clear what Hell does to the soul if the Father decides.Hell is not down under our feet anymore than heaven is on mount Olympus or on the clouds.SuperJag; Jesus went to the prison, not to hell.
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What Tetra is telling you is true.say you are an evil person that refuses to change and accept Christ you (your soul) will just cease to exist no one will remember you it will be as if you never were the second death death of the soul.
I am sorry and I appologized for the much confusion, and I agree with you both that 100%, however, when the bible says that Yahshua/Jesus went to prison, I considered prison as a temporarily Hell, not a permanent Hell that is said in the below scriptures.Matthew 10:28 - And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.Revelation 20:14-15 - And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.So if that confuses you, than I truly apologized for the confusion. I'll say prison for now on, just to avoid much confusion.SincerelyJordan/JAG/thesuperjagLovest ye in Christ Jesus (Yahshua) our Lord and Saviour.