So why are they removed from the Lord's kingdom?

shilohsfoal · May 26, 2022

According to revelation, the two witnesses are killed and then resurrected from the dead 3. 5 days later. They then ascend into heaven in a cloud. Note that there is a great earthquake also.

Revelation 11:13 NLT: At the same time there was a terrible earthquake that destroyed a tenth of the city. Seven thousand people died in that earthquake, and everyone else was terrified and gave glory to the God of heaven.

Now just a few verses later after they have been removed from the earth, the seventh trump is sounded and the kingdom of this earth becomes Christ's kingdom.

Revelation 11:15 Then the seventh angel sounded his trumpet, and loud voices called out in heaven: "The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of His Christ, and He will reign forever and ever."

According to Jesus in the gospel, it is those whom have done evil that is removed from his kingdom. I've considered the works of those two prophets and all it says is they torment people and kill people which is the exact opposite of what Jesus taught us to do in the gospel.

So if these two prophets are good, then why are they removed from Christ's kingdom when the wicked are removed?

Matthew 13:41 The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will weed out of His kingdom every cause of sin and all who practice lawlessness.
Matthew 13:42 And they will throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

shilohsfoal · May 26, 2022

Keep in mind, the two witnesses ascend into heaven in a cloud. There are not many clouds that ascend into heaven but here is one caused by an abomination that causes desolation.It also causes the earth to quake as well.

shilohsfoal · May 26, 2022

Revelation 14:11 And the smoke of their torment rises forever and ever. Day and night there is no rest for those who worship the beast and its image, or for anyone who receives the mark of its name."

Truth7t7 · May 26, 2022

shilohsfoal said:
According to revelation, the two witnesses are killed and then resurrected from the dead 3. 5 days later. They then ascend into heaven in a cloud. Note that there is a great earthquake also.

Revelation 11:13 NLT: At the same time there was a terrible earthquake that destroyed a tenth of the city. Seven thousand people died in that earthquake, and everyone else was terrified and gave glory to the God of heaven.

Now just a few verses later after they have been removed from the earth, the seventh trump is sounded and the kingdom of this earth becomes Christ's kingdom.

Revelation 11:15 Then the seventh angel sounded his trumpet, and loud voices called out in heaven: "The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of His Christ, and He will reign forever and ever."

According to Jesus in the gospel, it is those whom have done evil that is removed from his kingdom. I've considered the works of those two prophets and all it says is they torment people and kill people which is the exact opposite of what Jesus taught us to do in the gospel.

So if these two prophets are good, then why are they removed from Christ's kingdom when the wicked are removed?

Matthew 13:41 The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will weed out of His kingdom every cause of sin and all who practice lawlessness.
Matthew 13:42 And they will throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

The two witnesses ascend to heaven "Before" the wicked are Judged to the lake of fire

You will closely note at the 7th Trump, the final judgment takes place as seen below

Revelation 11:15
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,
17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.
18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

quietthinker · May 26, 2022

shilohsfoal said:
According to revelation, the two witnesses are killed and then resurrected from the dead 3. 5 days later. They then ascend into heaven in a cloud. Note that there is a great earthquake also.

Now just a few verses later after they have been removed from the earth, the seventh trump is sounded and the kingdom of this earth becomes Christ's kingdom.

Revelation 11:15 Then the seventh angel sounded his trumpet, and loud voices called out in heaven: "The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of His Christ, and He will reign forever and ever."

According to Jesus in the gospel, it is those whom have done evil that is removed from his kingdom. I've considered the works of those two prophets and all it says is they torment people and kill people which is the exact opposite of what Jesus taught us to do in the gospel.

So if these two prophets are good, then why are they removed from Christ's kingdom when the wicked are removed?

Matthew 13:41 The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will weed out of His kingdom every cause of sin and all who practice lawlessness.
Matthew 13:42 And they will throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Considering Revelation is a book of symbolism, the two prophets are witness to truth of God; the same truth Satan attempted to misrepresent.....it doesn't make them men. Truth torments and it kills when it is rejected....for example, turn on a light and it kills the darkness.....another, deceptive activity tortures its proponent when exposed. Consider Ananias and Sapphira; they hatched a plan to conceal certain facts when they needn't have. Exposure to themselves was too much to bear; they had heart failure.

shilohsfoal · May 26, 2022

quietthinker said:
Considering Revelation is a book of symbolism, the two prophets are witness to truth of God; the same truth Satan attempted to misrepresent.....it doesn't make them men. Truth torments and it kills when it is rejected....for example, turn on a light and it kills the darkness.....another, deceptive activity tortures its proponent when exposed. Consider Ananias and Sapphira; they hatched a plan to conceal certain facts when they needn't have. Exposure to themselves was too much to bear; they had heart failure.

Not all prophets are good. Remember Balaam?
Not all prophets speak the truth. It doesn't say they speak the truth or lies. So lets not just assume they speak the truth.
You know what happens when you assume?

But this we know. They are in a city that is attacked by the beast who wants to destroy the prostitute and these two prophets were the only thing standing between the beast and that prostitute.

But what I'm really interested in is what are those two prophets doing with the prostitute and have they been drinking with her?She does appear to be drunk in Revelation.

Luke 12:45 KJV: But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken;
Luke 12:46 KJV: The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.

shilohsfoal · May 26, 2022

Truth7t7 said:
The two witnesses ascend to heaven "Before" the wicked are Judged to the lake of fire

You will closely note at the 7th Trump, the final judgment takes place as seen below

Revelation 11:15
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,
17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.
18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

Yes the weeds are gathered and burned first.

Matthew 13:30 Let both grow together until the harvest. At that time I will tell the harvesters: First collect the weeds and tie them in bundles to be burned; then gather the wheat into my barn.'"

Looks like they were the first to be gathered.
It also appears the lake of fire may be in heaven. After all, it is written the heavens shall burn with a fervent heat.

So what do you suppose those two prophets were doing with the prostitute?

ewq1938 · May 26, 2022

shilohsfoal said:
According to revelation, the two witnesses are killed and then resurrected from the dead 3. 5 days later.

No, it says "two prophets" not two witnesses.

So if these two prophets are good, then why are they removed from Christ's kingdom when the wicked are removed?

They were raptured up to heaven BEFORE the kingdoms of the Earth belong to Christ.

shilohsfoal · May 26, 2022

ewq1938 said:
No, it says "two prophets" not two witnesses.

They were raptured up to heaven BEFORE the kingdoms of the Earth belong to Christ.

It calls them witnesses and it calls them prophets.
It doesn't say they were raptured. It just says they ascended into heaven in a cloud.
I posted a picture of a cloud that ascends into heaven. That type of cloud carries many things into heaven.

So why were they removed from Christ's kingdom just minuts before Christ inherits his kingdom?
Jesus said the wicked would be removed from his kingdom, so why were they removed?
Why were they not allowed to stay?Why were they not allowed to stand on Mt Zion with the Lamb and the 144,000 having thier Fathers name in thier forehead?
Why were they removed from the kingdom?

Matthew 13:41 The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will weed out of His kingdom every cause of sin and all who practice lawlessness.

GISMYS_7 · May 26, 2022

Those two prophets were sent by God and return to God and then will return again with Jesus.

Marty fox · May 26, 2022

shilohsfoal said:
According to revelation, the two witnesses are killed and then resurrected from the dead 3. 5 days later. They then ascend into heaven in a cloud. Note that there is a great earthquake also.

Revelation 11:13 NLT: At the same time there was a terrible earthquake that destroyed a tenth of the city. Seven thousand people died in that earthquake, and everyone else was terrified and gave glory to the God of heaven.

Now just a few verses later after they have been removed from the earth, the seventh trump is sounded and the kingdom of this earth becomes Christ's kingdom.

Revelation 11:15 Then the seventh angel sounded his trumpet, and loud voices called out in heaven: "The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of His Christ, and He will reign forever and ever."

According to Jesus in the gospel, it is those whom have done evil that is removed from his kingdom. I've considered the works of those two prophets and all it says is they torment people and kill people which is the exact opposite of what Jesus taught us to do in the gospel.

So if these two prophets are good, then why are they removed from Christ's kingdom when the wicked are removed?

Matthew 13:41 The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will weed out of His kingdom every cause of sin and all who practice lawlessness.
Matthew 13:42 And they will throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Because they are not people they represent the law and the prophets

GISMYS_7 · May 26, 2022

Believe the Word of God!!! Not the silly ideas and opinions of little men.

shilohsfoal · May 26, 2022

Marty fox said:
Because they are not people they represent the law and the prophets

You believe the law and the prophets lay dead in the street where also thier Lord was crucified?

Hahaha.
Thanks for the laugh.

shilohsfoal · May 26, 2022

GISMYS_7 said:
Believe the Word of God!!! Not the silly ideas and opinions of little men.

Believe the word of God is easy.
I tend to think quite a bit about it and I ask myself questions concerning it. Sometimes I ponder while I'm driving or at work. Numerous times a day I ponder the word. It has paid off to study it and give a great amount of thought into it.
I love when an understanding has come.

shilohsfoal · May 26, 2022

Revelation 14:1 Then I looked and saw the Lamb standing on Mount Zion, and with Him 144,000 who had His name and His Father's name written on their foreheads.

144000 are in the kingdom. But not the two prophets.

shilohsfoal · May 26, 2022

Revelation 15:2 And I saw something like a sea of glass mixed with fire, beside which stood those who had conquered the beast and its image and the number of its name. They were holding harps from God,
Revelation 15:3 and they sang the song of God's servant Moses and of the Lamb: "Great and wonderful are Your works, O Lord God Almighty! Just and true are Your ways, O King of the nations!

The heavens burned with a fervent heat and melted the elements. Those who were victorious can walk on a sea of glass, but the two prophets have been removed.Why were the two prophets removed from the kingdom but these remained?

Truth7t7 · May 26, 2022

shilohsfoal said:
Yes the weeds are gathered and burned first.

Matthew 13:30 Let both grow together until the harvest. At that time I will tell the harvesters: First collect the weeds and tie them in bundles to be burned; then gather the wheat into my barn.'"

Looks like they were the first to be gathered.
It also appears the lake of fire may be in heaven. After all, it is written the heavens shall burn with a fervent heat.

So what do you suppose those two prophets were doing with the prostitute?

The lake of fire will be outside the gates of New Jerusalem in the New Heavens and Earth, Isaiah 66:24, Revelation 22:14-15

I'm not into guessing games, what do you believe the two witnesses do with the whore who is Jerusalem?

shilohsfoal · May 26, 2022

Truth7t7 said:
The lake of fire will be outside the gates of New Jerusalem in the New Heavens and Earth, Isaiah 66:24, Revelation 22:14-15

I'm not into guessing games, what do you believe the two witnesses do with the whore who is Jerusalem?

Luke 12:45 But suppose that servant says in his heart, 'My master will be a long time in coming,' and he begins to beat the menservants and maidservants, and to eat and drink and get drunk.

Truth7t7 · May 26, 2022

shilohsfoal said:
Revelation 15:2 And I saw something like a sea of glass mixed with fire, beside which stood those who had conquered the beast and its image and the number of its name. They were holding harps from God,
Revelation 15:3 and they sang the song of God's servant Moses and of the Lamb: "Great and wonderful are Your works, O Lord God Almighty! Just and true are Your ways, O King of the nations!

The heavens burned with a fervent heat and melted the elements. Those who were victorious can walk on a sea of glass, but the two prophets have been removed.Why were the two prophets removed from the kingdom but these remained?

The two prophets weren't removed from the kingdom as you continue to claim, they ascended up to heaven prior to the 7th trump and second coming (The End)

Truth7t7 · May 26, 2022

shilohsfoal said:
Luke 12:45 But suppose that servant says in his heart, 'My master will be a long time in coming,' and he begins to beat the menservants and maidservants, and to eat and drink and get drunk.

The scripture you provide has absolutely nothing to do with the two witnesses of Revelation 11

So why are they removed from the Lord's kingdom?

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