Did Jesus die on Friday?

CadyandZoe said:

John called it a sabbath day.

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Because it was a saturday on which the Holy day of convocation (high day ) occurred. That is why the passage is written the way it is.

Once again:

31 The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.

1. The day the Pharisees asked to have their legs broken, was the day of preparation for the feast of unleavened bread.
2. they asked because they did not want to have boi]dies hanging on THE Sabbath day. Jewish mindset- The Saturday the day of rest.
3. Ergo, the day Jesus died was the day before the Sabbath day---Friday.
4. Because Passover and unleavened bread occurred on Thurs and Saturday, John added the comment that, that particular Sabbath Day (THE Sabbath Day just mentioned)- was a high day or holy day of convocation! that is how it was when Jesus died!

Pierac said:

That's because you only follow those whom teach as you believe!!! silly child.... Pay attention!

John’s text: “It was about noon on the Preparation Day for the Passover” (19:14). In Matthew, Mark, and Luke, Jesus was crucified on the first day of the Passover in the morning. But John tells us Jesus was crucified at noon on the Preparation Day, one day before the first full day of Passover.

In Matthew, Mark, and Luke, the Passover Seder is the Last Supper, and the lambs have been sacrificed and prepared earlier on the Day of Preparation. But in John, Jesus is crucified on the Day of Preparation. Why does John tell us that Jesus was crucified as the lambs were being slaughtered? Because he wants his readers to see Jesus as a kind of Passover lamb. In John 1:29 he has already introduced this theme when John the Baptist looks at Jesus and announces, “Look! The Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!”

On that first Passover, the lambs were slaughtered not to take away sin but to spare the firstborn of the Israelites from death. From that time on, the lambs were slaughtered at Passover as a visible reminder of God’s deliverance of the Israelite children from death and of the Israelite people from slavery. This is part of what John wants his readers to see: Jesus, by his death, delivers us from slavery to sin, and he frees us from the fear and power of death.

Like I said GerhardEbersoehn.... John told you why he wrote what he wrote.... Joh 20:31 but these have been written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing you may have life in His name.

Others need to know too! So quit being such a biblical snob.... John was accurate... Just... Spiritually accurate!

Paul

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<John’s text: “It was about noon on the Preparation Day for the Passover” (19:14). In Matthew, Mark, and Luke, Jesus was crucified on the first day of the Passover in the morning. But John tells us Jesus was crucified at noon on the Preparation Day, one day before the first full day of Passover.>

John's and Mark and Matthew and Luke's <text>--

John 19:12c-15
πᾶς ὁ βασιλέα ἑαυτὸν ποιῶν ἀντιλέγει τῷ Καίσαρι.
Whoever maketh himself a king speaketh against Caesar.

13 Ὁ οὖν Πειλᾶτος ἀκούσας [ἐμνημόνευσεν / ἐμνήσθησαν]
When Pilate therefore heard

τῶν λόγων τούτων ἤγαγεν ἔξω τὸν Ἰησοῦν,
that saying, he brought Jesus forth

14 Ἑβραϊστὶ δὲ Γαββαθα. 14 ἦν δὲ Παρασκευὴ τοῦ πάσχα,
in the Hebrew, Gabbatha. 14 And it was the preparation of the passover

ὥρα ἦν ὡς ἕκτη· καὶ λέγει τοῖς Ἰουδαίοις Ἴδε ὁ Βασιλεὺς ὑμῶν.
and ...the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold, your King.

15 ἐκραύγασαν οὖν ἐκεῖνοι Ἆρον ἆρον, σταύρωσον αὐτόν.
Then, they cried out, Away with him, away with him, crucify him.

λέγει αὐτοῖς ὁ Πειλᾶτος Τὸν Βασιλέα ὑμῶν σταυρώσω;
Pilate saith unto them, Shall I crucify your King?

ἀπεκρίθησαν οἱ ἀρχιερεῖς Οὐκ ἔχομεν βασιλέα εἰ μὴ Καίσαρα.
The chief priests answered, We have no king but Caesar.

John 19:16a
τότε οὖν παρέδωκεν αὐτὸν αὐτοῖς ἵνα σταυρωθῇ.
Then delivered he him therefore unto them to be crucified.

Mark 15:15
ὁ δὲ Πειλᾶτος παρέδωκεν τὸν Ἰησοῦν
And then Pilate delivered Jesus,

φραγελλώσας ἵνα σταυρωθῇ.
when he had scourged him, to be crucified.

Matthew 27:26
τότε ἀπέλυσεν αὐτοῖς τὸν Βαραββᾶν, τὸν δὲ Ἰησοῦν
Then released he Barabbas unto them: and Jesus

φραγελλώσας παρέδωκεν ἵνα σταυρωθῇ.
when he had scourged (him), he delivered him to be crucified.

Luke 23:24,25
καὶ (ὁ δὲ) Πειλᾶτος ἐπέκρινεν γενέσθαι τὸ αἴτημα αὐτῶν·
And Pilate then gave sentence that it should be as they required.

τὸν δὲ Ἰησοῦν παρέδωκεν τῷ θελήματι αὐτῶν.
but then nevertheless delivered Jesus to their will.

Matthew 27:27-31a
Τότε οἱ στρατιῶται τοῦ ἡγεμόνος
Then the soldiers of the governor

παραλαβόντες τὸν Ἰησοῦν εἰς τὸ πραιτώριον συνήγαγον
took Jesus into the common hall and gathered

ἐπ’ αὐτὸν ὅλην τὴν σπεῖραν. 28 καὶ ἐκδύσαντες αὐτὸν
unto him the whole band. 28 And they stripped him, and

χλαμύδα κοκκίνην περιέθηκαν αὐτῷ, 29 καὶ πλέξαντες στέφανον
put on him a scarlet robe. 29 And when they had platted a crown

ἐξ ἀκανθῶν, ἐπέθηκαν ἐπὶ τῆς κεφαλῆς αὐτοῦ, καὶ κάλαμον
of thorns, they put it upon his head: and a reed

ἐν τῇ δεξιᾷ αὐτοῦ καὶ γονυπετήσαντες ἔμπροσθεν αὐτοῦ
in his right hand: And they bowed the knee before him,

ἐνέπαιξαν αὐτῷ λέγοντες Χαῖρε, Βασιλεῦ τῶν Ἰουδαίων,
and mocked him, saying, Hail, King of the Jews.

καὶ ἐμπτύσαντες εἰς αὐτὸν ἔλαβον τὸν κάλαμον καὶ ἔτυπτον εἰς τὴν κεφαλὴν αὐτοῦ.
And they spit upon him, and took the reed, and smote Him on the head.

31a καὶ ὅτε ἐνέπαιξαν αὐτῷ, ἐξέδυσαν αὐτὸν τὴν χλαμύδα
And after that they had mocked him, they took the robe off from him,

καὶ ἐνέδυσαν αὐτὸν τὰ ἱμάτια αὐτοῦ . . .
and put his own raiment on him . . .

Mark 15:16-20a
16 Οἱ δὲ στρατιῶται ἀπήγαγον αὐτὸν ἔσω τῆς αὐλῆς, ὅ ἐστιν
And the soldiers led him away into the hall, called

Πραιτώριον, καὶ συνκαλοῦσιν ὅλην τὴν σπεῖραν.
praetorium; and they called together the whole band.

17 καὶ ἐνδιδύσκουσιν αὐτὸν πορφύραν καὶ περιτιθέασιν αὐτῷ
And they clothed him with purple, and plated a crown of thorn,

’πλέξαντες ἀκάνθινον στέφανον·
and put it about his head

καὶ ἤρξαντο ἀσπάζεσθαι αὐτόν Χαῖρε, Βασιλεῦ τῶν Ἰουδαίων·
and began to salute him, Hail, King of the Jews!

καὶ ἔτυπτον αὐτοῦ τὴν κεφαλὴν καλάμῳ καὶ ἐνέπτυον αὐτῷ,
And they smote him on the head with a reed, and did spit on him,

καὶ τιθέντες τὰ γόνατα προσεκύνουν αὐτῷ.
and bowing their knees worshipped him.

20a καὶ ὅτε ἐνέπαιξαν αὐτῷ, ἐξέδυσαν αὐτὸν τὴν πορφύραν
And when they had mocked him, they took off the purple from him,

καὶ ἐνέδυσαν αὐτὸν τὰ ἱμάτια αὐτοῦ . . .
and put his own clothes on him . . .

John 19:14
ἦν δὲ Παρασκευὴ τοῦ πάσχα,
And it was the preparation of the passover

ὥρα ἦν ὡς ἕκτη· καὶ λέγει τοῖς Ἰουδαίοις Ἴδε ὁ Βασιλεὺς ὑμῶν.
and ...the sixth hour: and he (Pilate) saith unto the Jews, Behold, your King.
John 19:16b
. . . παρέλαβον οὖν τὸν Ἰησοῦν (ἵνα σταυρωθῇ).
And they then took Jesus and led him away that he should be crucified.
Mark 15:20b
Καὶ ἐξάγουσιν αὐτὸν ἵνα σταυρώσωσιν αὐτόν.
Then they led him out to crucify him.
Matthew 27:31b
. . . καὶ ἀπήγαγον αὐτὸν εἰς τὸ σταυρῶσαι.
. . . then they led him away to crucify him.
John 19:17
καὶ βαστάζων ἑαυτῷ τὸν σταυρὸν ἐξῆλθεν εἰς τὸν
And he bearing his cross went forth unto

λεγόμενον Κρανίου τόπον, ὃ (ὃς) λέγεται Ἑβραϊστὶ Γολγοθᾶ,
a place called of a skull which is called in the Hebrew Golgotha.

So Paul Pierac, WHERE'S YOUR FAKE <text>, that <John tells us Jesus was crucified at noon on the Preparation Day, one day before the first full day of Passover.>?

You are lying man.

Ronald Nolette said:

Because it was a saturday on which the Holy day of convocation (high day ) occurred. That is why the passage is written the way it is.

Once again:

31 The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.

1. The day the Pharisees asked to have their legs broken, was the day of preparation for the feast of unleavened bread.
2. they asked because they did not want to have boi]dies hanging on THE Sabbath day. Jewish mindset- The Saturday the day of rest.
3. Ergo, the day Jesus died was the day before the Sabbath day---Friday.
4. Because Passover and unleavened bread occurred on Thurs and Saturday, John added the comment that, that particular Sabbath Day (THE Sabbath Day just mentioned)- was a high day or holy day of convocation! that is how it was when Jesus died!

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Never so blind as one not WANTING to see! But save this list for Judgement day, and hand it God on Judgement Throne WHITE AS SNOW, because He shall take no lies from whomsoever clever or holy or clown or deceived or deceiver.

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<1. The day the Pharisees asked to have their legs broken, was the day of preparation for the feast of unleavened bread.>
Liar!
Here's the truth:
It was not <the day of preparation for the feast> - which was the day of Crucifixion and death of the passover], but it was the day "which is THE Preparation" - the day OF the feast of unleavened bread, <the day the Pharisees asked to have their legs broken>.
"It was THE Preparation already [ehn Paraskeueh eedee] which was The Fore-Sabbath" [hehtis estin to Prosabbaton]" (Friday)-- not <the day of preparation for the feast> NOT "the Preparation OF THE PASSOVER" [Paraskeueh TOU PASCHA] JOHN 19:14 WHICHEVER HOUR OF DAY!

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<2. they asked because they did not want to have boi]dies hanging on THE Sabbath day. Jewish mindset- The Saturday the day of rest.>

The truth,
"They asked because it was the Preparation (Friday) beginning
[ἐπεὶ Παρασκευὴ ἦν]
because they did not want
[ἵνα μὴ]
to have bodies hanging
[μείνῃ ἐπὶ τοῦ σταυροῦ τὰ σώματα]
on THE sabbath
[ἐν τῷ σαββάτῳ]
BECAUSE That Day was great day
[ἦν γὰρ μεγάλη ἡ ἡμέρα ἐκείνου]
of the sabbath-OF... [τοῦ σαββάτου]"
the <Jewish mindset>*-
the day of .. the feast of unleavened bread feast and
"fifteenth day of the month ye shall EAT the passover .
the flesh . WITH unleavened bread".

*ἐπεὶ Παρασκευὴ ἦν, ἵνα μὴ μείνῃ ἐπὶ τοῦ σταυροῦ τὰ σώματα ἐν τῷ σαββάτῳ, ἦν γὰρ μεγάλη ἡ ἡμέρα ἐκείνου τοῦ σαββάτου.

Ronald Nolette said:

3. Ergo, the day Jesus died was the day before the Sabbath day---Friday.

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<3. Ergo, the day Jesus died was the day before the Sabbath day---Friday.>

Smart! If you wrote 'the day Jesus died was the day before the sabbath day great day (-lower case- OF PASSOVER)---Friday', it would have been brilliant, because TRUE!

Ronald Nolette said:

Because Passover and unleavened bread occurred on Thurs and Saturday, John added the comment that, that particular Sabbath Day (THE Sabbath Day just mentioned)- was a high day or holy day of convocation! that is how it was when Jesus died!

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<Because Passover and unleavened bread occurred on Thurs and Saturday>-- How did you manage to get that?
Then on your FALSE ASSUMPTION <Passover and unleavened bread occurred on Thurs and Saturday> to base your conclusion, <John added the comment that, that particular Sabbath Day (THE Sabbath Day just mentioned)- was a high day or holy day of convocation>!? AND STILL MORE: that <that is how it was when Jesus died>!? Just UNBELIEVABLE ... because you are not confused, but deliberately LIE to get anything except the Truth.

Therefore here is the truth:
B) The Last Week (sequence to day and hour)
Palm-Sunday : Entrance into Jerusalem : 5 days before Abib 15 is Abib 10
“Tenth day of the First Month” Exodus 12:3 Ezekiel 40:1 “Bone Day”
John 12:12-19 “the next day” (32)
= Mark 11:1-11 Bethania; entered Jerusalem; entered temple; late unto Bethany (33)
= Matthew 21:1-11 Bethphage; Jerusalem in (36)
= Luke 19:28-44 Bethphage and Bethany; into Jerusalem (38)

Last Week: Monday : 4 days before Abib 15 is Abib 11
Mark 11:12-14 “the morrow Bethany ... fig tree” (41)
= Luke 21:29-33 “behold the fig tree” (41)
Mark 11:15-17 “into temple”; “cast out them that sold”; “moneychangers”; “house of prayer” (42)
= Matthew 21:12-14 “into the temple ... cast out them that sold” (43)
= Luke 19:45,46 “into the temple ... cast out them that sold ... house of prayer” (43)
= Matthew 21:15-17 “children in the temple” (44)
= John 12:20-26 “Greeks … corn of wheat … for this cause I came”: 27 (44)
Mark 11:18 “sought how they might destroy him” (45)
= Luke 19:47,48 “sought to destroy him” (46)
Mark 11:19 “late ... he went out of the city” (46)
= Matthew 21:17 “out of the city into Bethany ... slept in sheepfold” (46)

Last Week: Tuesday : TEACHING 3 days before (Friday) Abib 15 is Abib 12
Mark 11:20 “early ... fig tree dried up” (47)
= Matthew 21:18-22; 45,46 “in the morning ... fig tree” cursed and “immediately dried up” (47)
Mark 11:27,28 “in Jerusalem in temple ... by what authority” (48)
= Matthew 21:23-25 “in temple ... what authority” (49)
= Luke 20:1-8 “one of Those Days ... what authority” (50)
Mark 12:35-37 “Jesus in the temple ... Dawid” (51)
= Matthew 22:23; 41-46 “the Same Day” (52)
= Matthew 24:1-3 “out of tempel … not be left one stone … on Mount of Olives disciples came privately” (53)
= Matthew 26:1-2 “after two day ... crucified” (53)
= John 12:27-36 “this hour ... if I be lifted up from the earth” (54)
= Luke 21:34-38 “on One of Those Days ... Watch that That Day come not upon you unawares” (56)

Last Week: Wednesday : 2 days before (Friday) Abib 15 is Abib 13
Mark 14:1,2 “after two days was the unleavened (days)”“sought how might take him ... not on feast” (57)
= Matthew 26:3-5 “consulted that they might take Jesus ... not on feast” (57)
= Luke 22:1,2 “feast drew near ... sought how” (58)
Mark 14:3-9 “house of Simon .. spikenard on head” (58)
= Matteus 26:6-13 “house of Simon .. spikenard on head” (59)
Mark 14:10,11 “Judas to priests ... promised him money” (61)
= Matthew 26:14-16 “Judas to priests ... covenanted thirty pieces silver” (61)
= Luke 22:3-6 “satan in Judas ... communed with priests ... covenanted money” (61)
= John 12:37-50 “he that rejecteth me ... receiveth not my words” (62)

B) Three days : "the first day"
Last Week: Thursday Abib 14 was 1 day “before” (Friday) Abib 15 (69)
2Chronicles 35:4,6,10,14 “prepared passover … killed the passover”
= Exodus 12:15a “when they removed leaven”
= Leviticus 23:22,10 “when ye reap the corners ... bring the first sheaf”
Mark 14:12—15:41 “when they always killed the passover”
= Luke 22:7—23:49 “when they had to kill the passover”
= Mark 14:2 “not on the feast”
= Matthew 26:5 “not on the feast”
= John 19:14-30 “The Preparation of the Passover”
= Matthew 26:17—27:56 “the first day leaven was removed / the first day without leaven”
= John 12:32,34; 8:28 “the Son of Man must be lifted up”
= John 13:1—19:30 “before the feast ... his hour ... it was night ...”
= 1Corinthians 11:23 "The night in which the Lord was betrayed"
= John 16:32 “the hour ... ye shall be scattered every man”

“Three days” the second of :
= “the first day seven days ye shall eat unleavened bread” Exodus 12:15b; 12:18b Leviticus 23:6
= Last Week: Friday : Feast Day Sabbath of Passover was “Abib 15” (Friday)
Exodus 12:15,17,18,42,51
Mark 15:42-47 “having been evening already … since The Preparation which is the Fore-Sabbath having begun”
= John 19:31-42 “since the Preparation had begun ... because That Day was great-day-sabbath (of passover)”
= Matthew 27:57-61
= Luke 23:50-56a

"The day which is after the Preparation .. the Sabbath .. late in the inclininig daylight towards before the First day of the week, mid-afternoon" :

Ὀψὲ δὲ σαββάτων, τῇ ἐπιφωσκούσῃ.
In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn
εἰς μίαν σαββάτων, ἦλθεν Μαριὰμ ἡ Μαγδαληνὴ
towards the First Day of the week, came May Magdalene
καὶ ἡ ἄλλη Μαρία θεωρῆσαι τὸν τάφον.
and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.
2 καὶ ἰδοὺ σεισμὸς ἐγένετο μέγας• ἄγγελος γὰρ
And behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel
Κυρίου καταβὰς ἐξ οὐρανοῦ καὶ προσελθὼν
of the Lord descended from heaven, and came
ἀπεκύλισεν τὸν λίθον (ἀπὸ τῆς θύρας) καὶ ἐκάθητο ἐπάνω αὐτοῦ.
and rolled the stone from the door, and sat on it.
Matthew 28:1 in ‘old’ and ‘new translations
1Ὀψὲ δὲ σαββάτων, τῇ ἐπιφωσκούσῃ εἰς μίαν σαββάτων, ἦλθε Μαρία ἡ Μαγδαληνὴ καὶ ἡ ἄλλη Μαρία θεωρῆσαι τὸν τάφον. 2καὶ ἰδοὺ σεισμὸς ἐγένετο μέγας• ἄγγελος γὰρ Κυρίου καταβὰς ἐξ οὐρανοῦ προσελθὼν ἀπεκύλισε τὸν λίθον ἀπὸ τῆς θύρας καὶ ἐκάθητο ἐπάνω αὐτοῦ. 3ἦν δὲ ἡ ἰδέα αὐτοῦ ὡς ἀστραπὴ καὶ τὸ ἔνδυμα αὐτοῦ λευκὸν ὡσεὶ χιών. 4ἀπὸ δὲ τοῦ φόβου αὐτοῦ ἐσείσθησαν οἱ τηροῦντες καὶ ἐγένοντο ὡσεὶ νεκροί. 5ἀποκριθεὶς δὲ ὁ ἄγγελος εἶπε ταῖς γυναιξί•
1Ὀψὲ δὲ σαββάτων, τῇ ἐπιφωσκούσῃ εἰς μίαν σαββάτων,
‘opse de sabbatohn tehi epiphohskousehi eis Mian sabbatohn’:-
KJV 1611,
“In the end of the Sabbath as it (the end of the Sabbath) began to dawn towards the First Day of the week….”
Literal: “In Sabbath’s fullness being-in- the mid-inclining-day-light towards the First Day of the week”,
‘opse sabbatohn’, “Sabbath’s fullness-of-day”
‘tehi’, “in the”
‘epi’, “mid-inclining”
‘phohs’, “day-light”
‘ous-ehi’, “being(shining)”
‘eis’, “beginning to dawn towards / against / before / unto”
‘Mian (hehmeran) sabbatohn’, “the First Day of the week”.
Αφού δε επέρασε το σάββατον, περί τα χαράγματα της πρώτης
ημέρας της εβδομάδος ήλθε Μαρία η Μαγδαληνή και η άλλη
Μαρία, διά να θεωρήσωσι τον τάφον.
Μετάφραση Νεόφυτου Βάμβα. Greek: N. Vamvas (Bambas) New
Testament. [published after 1924]
‘Αφού’ (‘aphíehmi’), ‘to let go’, ‘to let pass’; ‘aphosioûsthai tohi
theohi’, ‘time to make expiatory offerings to a god’.
‘επέρασε’ from ‘perisseúoh’, ‘surplus’, ‘excess’, ‘residue’; ‘ta
peritteúonta’, ‘what remains over’.
‘peri’, ‘the latter’, ‘about’.
‘το σάββατον’ Nominative Subject, ‘the Sabbath (Seventh Day) of
the week’.
‘τα χαράγματα’ from ‘to cháragma’, ‘palisade’, ‘mark’, ‘trench’.
‘της πρώτης ημέρας’, ‘of the First Day’
‘της εβδομάδος’ for ‘sabbátohn’, ‘of the week’.
Thus…
“The Seventh Day of the week the latter outgoing remaining
time at the marking (dawn) of the First Day of the week.”
Καὶ ἤγγισεν εἰς τὴν μίαν σαββάτων οὗ ἐπορεύετο / ἐπορεύθη τὸ σάββατον [GE]
… just what Matthew 28:1a says and means.
Literally, Καὶ ἤγγισεν εἰς τὴν μίαν σαββάτων οὗ ἐπορεύετο / ἐπορεύθη τὸ σάββατον
"And drew near to the First Day of the week the Sabbath while going out" or "Then while the Sabbath was ending and approached the First Day of the week . . .".
In other words, I make "The Sabbath" the Subject, Nominative, "drawing near to the First Day and going out at its end when there suddenly was a great earthquake and the angel of the Lord descended."
Does it now make sense?
Turkish:
““ Matta 28 ““
Matthew 28 Turkish
1 Şabat Gününü izleyen haftanın ilk günü, tan yeri ağarırken, Mecdelli Meryem ile öbür Meryem mezarı görmeye gittiler
a. ‘Sabat’—Sabbath
‘Gününü’—Daylight shining
‘izleyen’—Light surplus following in the end
‘haftanın’—of the week (Sabbath)
‘ilk’—middle moderate / coming (towards)
‘günü’—sun (down) eclipse (turning of)
‘tan’—dawn witness diagnose define towards
‘yeri’—seat rest
‘ağarırken’-‘agir’—slow down lazy, and -‘irk’—dark night
b. ‘Mecdelli Meryem’—Mary Magdalene
‘ile öbür Meryem’—with the other Mary
‘mezarı’—to the grave
‘görmeye’—to see / to visit
‘gittiler’—stepped out began to proceed (on purpose / by degree - began to)

KJV 1611,
“In the end of the Sabbath as it (the end of the Sabbath) began to dawn towards the First Day of the week….”

Ronald Nolette said:

Because it was a saturday on which the Holy day of convocation (high day ) occurred. That is why the passage is written the way it is.

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The perfectly SKEWED way Bible exegesis should not be done!
Because the passage is written the way it is (in two places, in Mark 15:42f and Matthew 27:57f, and in John 19:31-38-42):-
"It having been evening already and the Preparation had begun which is the Fore-Sabbath (Friday) - and since it was the Preparation, the Jews asked that the bodies should not remain on the sabbath because That (Selfsame) Day was great day of (passover-)sabbath” <on which the Holy day of convocation occurred>, in which Joseph BURIED the body of Jesus and closed the grave "That Day the Preparation because of the Jews' preparation ... for the Sabbath ('Saturday') was nearing." Luke 23:54-56 and John 19:42.

GerhardEbersoehn said:

Never so blind as one not WANTING to see! But save this list for Judgement day, and hand it God on Judgement Throne WHITE AS SNOW, because He shall take no lies from whomsoever clever or holy or clown or deceived or deceiver.

Re:
<1. The day the Pharisees asked to have their legs broken, was the day of preparation for the feast of unleavened bread.>
Liar!
Here's the truth:
It was not <the day of preparation for the feast> - which was the day of Crucifixion and death of the passover], but it was the day "which is THE Preparation" - the day OF the feast of unleavened bread, <the day the Pharisees asked to have their legs broken>.
"It was THE Preparation already [ehn Paraskeueh eedee] which was The Fore-Sabbath" [hehtis estin to Prosabbaton]" (Friday)-- not <the day of preparation for the feast> NOT "the Preparation OF THE PASSOVER" [Paraskeueh TOU PASCHA] JOHN 19:14 WHICHEVER HOUR OF DAY!

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<2. they asked because they did not want to have boi]dies hanging on THE Sabbath day. Jewish mindset- The Saturday the day of rest.>

The truth,
"They asked because it was the Preparation (Friday) beginning
[ἐπεὶ Παρασκευὴ ἦν]
because they did not want
[ἵνα μὴ]
to have bodies hanging
[μείνῃ ἐπὶ τοῦ σταυροῦ τὰ σώματα]
on THE sabbath
[ἐν τῷ σαββάτῳ]
BECAUSE That Day was great day
[ἦν γὰρ μεγάλη ἡ ἡμέρα ἐκείνου]
of the sabbath-OF... [τοῦ σαββάτου]"
the <Jewish mindset>*-
the day of .. the feast of unleavened bread feast and
"fifteenth day of the month ye shall EAT the passover .
the flesh . WITH unleavened bread".

*ἐπεὶ Παρασκευὴ ἦν, ἵνα μὴ μείνῃ ἐπὶ τοῦ σταυροῦ τὰ σώματα ἐν τῷ σαββάτῳ, ἦν γὰρ μεγάλη ἡ ἡμέρα ἐκείνου τοῦ σαββάτου.

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Whatever. Since you have made this a judgment throne issue- this has become a useless argument. You can believe Jesus died on any day you wish- but to judge others for holding to all the known facts- makes you a pharisee. Have the last word- I am done.

GerhardEbersoehn said:

<Because Passover and unleavened bread occurred on Thurs and Saturday>-- How did you manage to get that?
Then on your FALSE ASSUMPTION <Passover and unleavened bread occurred on Thurs and Saturday> to base your conclusion, <John added the comment that, that particular Sabbath Day (THE Sabbath Day just mentioned)- was a high day or holy day of convocation>!? AND STILL MORE: that <that is how it was when Jesus died>!? Just UNBELIEVABLE ... because you are not confused, but deliberately LIE to get anything except the Truth.

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And you do not know Jewish days! The day of preparation is for preparing for teh feast of unleavened bread! that is the day when all Jewish households are to remove all leavened products from their houses!

The priests would not be running around trying to have Jesus crucified on the day of preparation of the Passover! They would be at the altar busy slaughtering thousands of lambs so all houses could prepare and keep the passive at sundown Thursday evening!

I gave you history, Jewish understanidng and culture. And since this was a Jewish event happening in Jewish culture, I take their word over "scholars" centuries removed.

GerhardEbersoehn said:

Re:
<3. Ergo, the day Jesus died was the day before the Sabbath day---Friday.>

Smart! If you wrote 'the day Jesus died was the day before the sabbath day great day (-lower case- OF PASSOVER)---Friday', it would have been brilliant, because TRUE!

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Well that Saturday was a high day it was the start of unleavened bread! Friday was teh day of preparation for unleavened bread.

I have given you lots of facts. You can look this one up yourself.

Ronald Nolette said:

And you do not know Jewish days! The day of preparation is for preparing for teh feast of unleavened bread! that is the day when all Jewish households are to remove all leavened products from their houses!

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Dear man, I have never said anything different. I always have quoted Exodus 12:15 et al.
I have always maintained, not only <The day of preparation is for preparing for teh feast of unleavened bread! that is the day when all Jewish households are to remove all leavened products from their houses!>, but I have always referred to 2Cronicles 35 where it also says, "prepare and KILL the passover" 10,11; "KILL the passover and prepare" 6; "kept the passover and KILLED on the 14th and PREPARED their houses" 1,4. And I have always also written, "they KILLED the passover on the first day WITHOUT LEAVEN" Mark 14:12 Matthew 26:17 Luke 22:7 "THE DAY BEFORE THE FEAST DAYS" John 13:1.

Pierac said:

Your an idiot... anyone can Google what I said and see it is documented in History.... Don't be such a little female dog! Now... Don't go running to the mods because I called you an idiot... remember... you called me a liar... My God... your right on the level of those who preach the KJV is the only true bible and all others are of Satan! Deal with the truth... and try to understand what's scripture is teaching, not try to make it say what you want!
Paul

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Jesus said, the devil is a LIAR and a MURDERER from the beginning. Now Paul Pierac, YOU, posted, post 231 above: <Pay attention! ... John’s text: “It was about noon on the Preparation Day for the Passover” (19:14). In Matthew, Mark, and Luke, Jesus was crucified on the first day of the Passover in the morning. But John tells us Jesus was crucified at noon on the Preparation Day, one day before the first full day of Passover.> Your colours, your underlying, your bolds.

I replied with the text - the real, text, and told you that you are a LIAR, man!

And so you did, three lies in one statement: Lie One: <John tells us Jesus was crucified at noon>; Lie Two: <John tells us Jesus was crucified at noon on the Preparation Day>; Lie Three: <John tells us Jesus was crucified at noon on the Preparation Day, one day before the first full day of Passover.>

You replied: <Your an idiot... anyone can Google what I said and see it is documented in History.... Don't be such a little female dog! Now... Don't go running to the mods because I called you an idiot... remember... you called me a liar... My God... your right on the level of those who preach the KJV is the only true bible and all others are of Satan! Deal with the truth... and try to understand what's scripture is teaching, not try to make it say what you want!>

I ask, <anyone can Google what> YOU <said>? -- URL? Windbag!

I ask, <anyone can Google what> YOU <said and see it (what YOU said) is documented in History>? -- So you're an ancient historian, and famous for your greatness documented in History -- DUH!

..no comment .. no recommendation .. too late for running..

Ronald Nolette said:

Well that Saturday was a high day it was the start of unleavened bread! Friday was teh day of preparation for unleavened bread.

I have given you lots of facts. You can look this one up yourself.

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You're a LIAR man! Quote where YOU say is written, <that Saturday was a high day>;
and quote where it is written what YOU say is written, <it - Saturday - was the start of unleavened bread>.
You are a LIAR man!

But this I must give you credit - FULL credit, that YOU, yes YOU, wrote, that <it was the start of unleavened bread! Friday>! 100% CORRECT!

.. but immediately unfortunately am I obliged to DEDUCE, and FULLY, 100%, that YOU, yes YOU, wrote, that <..Friday was teh day of preparation for unleavened bread> instead of, OF unleavened bread!

As always I'll show you mercy this time too, and offer a little bit of help for you, because I still believe you're a LIAR man, but maybe, not willingly.

You see, it is like this. You are not aware that for saying <it was the start of unleavened bread! Friday> AS WELL AS for saying <..Friday was teh day of preparation for unleavened bread> you have a single verse in mind, Luke 23:54, "For That Day was the Preparation and the Sabbath was nearing".
Right? Of course, yes! That's the <text> you have had in mind all the time!
Right? Of course yes, obviously! Which other text?

Would you tell me, which text else besides?

if not, please let me know, so I could go on correcting you if not perhaps I, am the one who's wrong.

Ronald Nolette said:

the day Jesus died was the day before the Sabbath day---Friday.

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No, it was not.

“Three days” “the first day”

Thursday : Abib 14 was 1 day “before” (Friday) Abib 15
2Chronicles 35:4,6,10,14 “prepared passover … killed the passover”
= Exodus 12:15a “when they removed leaven”
= Leviticus 23:22,10 “when ye reap the corners ... bring the first sheaf”
Mark 14:12—15:41 “when they always killed the passover”
= Luke 22:7—23:49 “when they had to kill the passover”
= Mark 14:2 “not on the feast”
= Matthew 26:5 “not on the feast”
= John 19:14-30 “The Preparation of the Passover” (= kill 2Chr.35)
= Matthew 26:17—27:56 “the first day leaven was removed / the first day without leaven”
= John 12:32,34; 8:28 “the Son of Man must be lifted up”
= John 13:1—19:30 “before the feast ... his hour ... it was night ...”
= 1Corinthians 11:23 "The night in which the Lord was betrayed"
= John 16:32 “the hour ... ye shall be scattered every man”


“Three days” the second of : Abib 15 was Friday :

Exodus 12:15b,18b “the first day of seven days eat unleavened bread”
= Leviticus 23:6 “fifteenth day of First Month eat unleavened bread
= Mark 15:42-47 “having been evening already … since The Preparation which is the Fore-Sabbath
having had begun”
= John 19:31 “Feast-day-sabbath-of-(passover) since it was the Preparation”
= John 19:31-42 “since the Preparation had begun ... because That Day was great-day-of-sabbath (of passover)”
= Matthew 27:57-61
= Luke 23:50-56a


“Three days” : Saturday was Abib 16
2 Chronicles 29:17c “16th of month ended to cleanse”

Matthew 27:62 “the day which is after the Preparation (Friday)..
the third day He said He would rise…
late on the Weekly Sabbath
being in the mid-afternoon daylight inclining towards
before the First Day of the week..
the angel cast the stone from the grave.”

GerhardEbersoehn said:

Jesus said, the devil is a LIAR and a MURDERER from the beginning. Now Paul Pierac, YOU, posted, post 231 above: <Pay attention! ... John’s text: “It was about noon on the Preparation Day for the Passover” (19:14). In Matthew, Mark, and Luke, Jesus was crucified on the first day of the Passover in the morning. But John tells us Jesus was crucified at noon on the Preparation Day, one day before the first full day of Passover.> Your colours, your underlying, your bolds.

I replied with the text - the real, text, and told you that you are a LIAR, man!

And so you did, three lies in one statement: Lie One: <John tells us Jesus was crucified at noon>; Lie Two: <John tells us Jesus was crucified at noon on the Preparation Day>; Lie Three: <John tells us Jesus was crucified at noon on the Preparation Day, one day before the first full day of Passover.>

You replied: <Your an idiot... anyone can Google what I said and see it is documented in History.... Don't be such a little female dog! Now... Don't go running to the mods because I called you an idiot... remember... you called me a liar... My God... your right on the level of those who preach the KJV is the only true bible and all others are of Satan! Deal with the truth... and try to understand what's scripture is teaching, not try to make it say what you want!>

I ask, <anyone can Google what> YOU <said>? -- URL? Windbag!

I ask, <anyone can Google what> YOU <said and see it (what YOU said) is documented in History>? -- So you're an ancient historian, and famous for your greatness documented in History -- DUH!

..no comment .. no recommendation .. too late for running..

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The reality is I don't care... about dates... I care that it actually happened...

I already showed you the truth.... So Lets review... Now bend over and grab your spiritual ankles...

Joh 19:14 (Now it was the day of preparation44 for the Passover, about noon.45 ) Pilate said to the Jewish leaders, "Look, here is your king!"

Net Bible commentary: Joh 19:14 -
44 sn The term day of preparation (παρασκευή, paraskeuē) appears in all the gospels as a description of the day on which Jesus died. It could refer to any Friday as the day of preparation for the Sabbath (Saturday), and this is the way the synoptic gospels use the term (Mat_27:62; Mar_15:42, and Luk_23:54). John, however, specifies in addition that this was not only the day of preparation of the Sabbath, but also the day of preparation of the Passover, so that the Sabbath on the following day was the Passover (cf. Joh_19:31).

45 tn Grk "about the sixth hour."
sn For John, the time was especially important. When the note concerning the hour, about noon, is connected with the day, the day of preparation for the Passover, it becomes apparent that Jesus was going to die on the cross at the very time that the Passover lambs were being slain in the temple courts.

You can let go of your ankles now... your spiritual spanking is complete!
Paul

Ronald Nolette said:

The day the Pharisees asked to have their legs broken, was the day of preparation for the feast of unleavened bread.

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No! "It WAS the Day-of-Preparation" OF, the feast of unleavened bread "on the sabbath because That Day, was great-day-of-sabbath-of(-passover)".

Pierac said:

Joh 19:14 (Now it was the day of preparation44 for the Passover, about noon.45 ) Pilate said to the Jewish leaders, "Look, here is your king!"

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No! Joh 19:14 Q~Now it was the Day of Preparation OF the Passover, exactly the sixth hour"~Q, Roman time corresponding with all three the other Gospels, "the morning early", Pilate said, "Look, here is your king!"

Pierac said:

Net Bible commentary: Joh 19:14 -
44 sn The term day of preparation (παρασκευή, paraskeuē) appears in all the gospels as a description of the day on which Jesus died.

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NO!
THIS IS THE BIG LIE OF THE 20TH CENTURY, LIED BY ALL THE ROMAN CATHOLIC GREAT DECEIVERS OF THE 20TH CENTURY, PARROTTED BY ALL THEIR SO CALLED Evangelical ANTICHRIST MIMICERS!
The truth is, <The term day of preparation παρασκευή appears in> NONE of <all the gospels as a description of the day on which Jesus DIED> : NONE!
FOR TWO REASONS WHY none!

The term <day of preparation>-παρασκευή, nowhere, <appears> by itself/alone/on its own. EACH time it appears, it appears IN CONJUNCTION WITH one or more accompanying DEFINING words.

A.1.
In John 19:14, "it was The Preparation OF PASSOVER",
in Exodus 12:6 "the 14th day of the First Month you must KILL the passover";
in Mark 14:12 Matthew 26:29 Luke 22:7 "the first day they KILLED the passover".

B.1.
The term <Day of Preparation>-Παρασκευή, appears IN CONJUNCTION WITH one or more accompanying DEFINING words
in Mark 15:42 where it says "it was the evening already being the Preparation WHICH IS THE FORE-SABBATH", as perfect equivalent of John 19:38,39, "there came JOSEPH" = Matthew 27:57 = Luke 23:50.

B.2.
Παρασκευή appears IN CONJUNCTION WITH one or more accompanying DEFINING words
in John 19:31, "The Jews asked that the crosses should be taken away since it was the Preparation because That Day was great-day-of-sabbath-of(-passover)" "the fifteenth day of the First Month".
The Jews did not request the crosses must be removed after sunset on the weekly Sabbath. The Sabbath would only begin after another 24 hours! Luke 23:56b. The Jews requested that the crosses be removed That Selfsame Night BEFORE NEXT MORNING, "because crucified should NOT REMAIN BEING HANGED ALL NIGHT, BUT BEFORE BREAK OF DAY HAD TO BE TAKEN OFF AND THAT SAME DAY STILL HAD TO BE BURIED" - BEFORE SUNSET before the next day would begin. Deuteronomy 21:23 Joshua 10:26,27.

2B1)
Παρασκευή appears IN CONJUNCTION WITH one or more accompanying DEFINING words
in John 19:42 at the end of 'Friday', "due to the Preparation of the Jews", for the weekly Sabbath of course.
2B2)
Παρασκευή appears IN CONJUNCTION WITH one or more accompanying DEFINING words
in Luke 23:54 as the perfect equivalent of John 19:42 where it says after Joseph had closed the grave, "and That Day was the Preparation the weekly Sabbath nearing; and the women went home and prepared spices and began and rested the Sabbath according to the Commandment", as soon as the sun had set.