Do you really think you live up to the righteousness of Christ?

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Robbie

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And you're a typical person that can't hear or see what they're repeating and really have no understanding of.

You say you die and Christ lives... but then you change it into what you're doing... instead of what Christ has finished.

If you're dead and it's all Christ... that's it... you no longer matter... but you wont accept that... as you keep saying it's all about you... as Christ is just your little copilot while you set out on the journey of perfecting yourself because you wont accept the free gift of perfection that Christ paid the price for. Your pride can't give Him the glory He deserves for our righteousness because your pride wants to glorify yourself.

That's not you dieing... that's you sticking Christ in the passenger seat and saying, "Yeah I know I couldn't live up to the law, so you had to die for me, but now I'm gonna give it another try and from this point on I think I can save myself by perfecting myself"

By doing so you condemn yourself because when you fail at being perfect who's going to die for you the second time? No one... because Christ died once and for all... so by not accepting that Christ died once and for all... you set yourself up for condemnation.

The bottom line is you are not making it about Christ... you act like He matters... but really it all just comes back to what you do... so really you just make it all about yourself... as pride always does.
 

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Is God so powerless that we cannot make us like him? Or is our will taken away from us so that we don't have a part to play in it?

Both of these thoughts are wrong. We make him a liar when we say in one breath 'I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me' and in the other 'I can't be like Him'! Notice how Paul says I can do all things, yes, I!

Robbie, with all due respect, all you've been doing is calling people proud because they say that Christ has indeed made a way.

Christ is not powerless to save us from this present corruption. Through him, we can indeed overcome!
 

Robbie

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Was Jesus also so powerless that He couldn't save Himself... and come down of the cross?

I mean, "Hey Jesus... since all things are possible with you... come down off that cross" right? WRONG!!!

Just like the Pharisees you say, "Because I see it this way God... You should be doing it this way God"

You're saying, "Because all things are possible for you God... you should make our righteousness based on our perfection... and not based on complete reliance on the work your Son did on the cross and the covering of His blood"

Here's the deal dude... YOU AINT GOD... the way you think God should do it means nothing... God chose how we're made righteous... only by the blood of His Son... it doesn't matter if that doesn't seem right to you because you think since all things are possible with God He should have done it this way... YOU AINT GOD...

So here's the deal... you think you're going to save yourself by becoming as good as God... and that's based on you thinking you know how God really should have done it since all things are possible with Him... you're falling just like satan did... you're trying to make yourself God...
 

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Robbie, do you hear yourself? :)

You keep claiming everyone is setting up there own way or something... When we are looking at the word, which says be perfect as your heavenly Father is perfect.

He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked.

Do you believe it when you read it? You don't. And then somehow you accuse others of building on another foundation... Yet you say we cannot build. :rolleyes:
 

Robbie

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Same answer...

What do you mean? I believe in trying to walk like Christ... what do you think walking like Christ is? Fronting and lying to yourself that you're as good as God? haha

See... this is what happens when people go to church and a pastor talks about a sentence for an hour and all of a sudden the people can't even think about the simplicity of what the sentence means. So the Pastor says we need to walk like Christ and then says that means we can actually live up to His righteousness and adds all these other man made laws to that and all of a sudden it becomes about us instead of Him... haha... and then people read that sentence and they don't even hear Christ anymore... they just hear all the carnal self reliance based garbage their pastor has leavened them with.

To walk like Christ is to walk in the truth of yourself... that's why Paul acknowledged what a wretched man that He is... to walk like Christ is to walk in complete reliance of God... and for us that means walking in complete reliance of the blood of His Son for our salvation. Because the same way Christ walked in the truth of Who He is being the only begotten Son of the Father... the same we are to walk like Him in the truth of who we are which is we are the wicked that He poured His mercy out on when He sent His Son to pay the price for our sins so that we could stand as righteous before Him according to His righteousness.

There are many other ways we're to walk like Christ... but thinking you're as good as God or that you're going to save yourself by your works is far from being one of them.

So dude... you don't even know what you're talking about... you're just a repeater of rotten manna that's corrupted with the maggots of mans carnal wisdom...
 

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:lol:

Walking like Christ means to walk in the knowledge that you are a wretch? Yes, I forgot that's how Christ walked :blink:

Of course, our old self is a wretch. But if you walk by the new creation, then there is no condemnation for that new creation, because it is just like Christ.

There is therefore now no condemnation for those in Christ Jesus, who walk no longer according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.

It's amazing how Christianity has taken just the first part, interpreted it, and used it to deny the second part. The old nature is still just as condemned and before, but if you live by the new one, there is no condemnation for you. Then, you walk like Christ!
 

Robbie

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Christ did walk like that... except Him walking in the truth of who He is... was walking in the reality that He was the only begotten Son of the Father... perfect in all His ways... YES!!! that's exactly how He walked...

And when we walk in the truth of who we are... YES... we realize just how wicked and corrupt we truly are... and YES... seeing the truth of yourself is walking like Christ.

So now when we see the truth of Who He is... and the truth of who we are... we realize that apart from being made righteous by His blood we have no righteousness...

That's why we who are His give Him all the glory... we consider our own righteousness trash... because when we walk like Him and see the truth of ourselves we realize our righteousness is trash.

That's when we see ourselves and our sins hanging with Him on the cross... and that's when we see ourselves as dead... and that's when we give Him all the glory for our salvation.

His perfection was because of His work... our perfection is because of His work... that's why it's all His glory...

You can't accept this because you're under the snare of pride... still saying, "I will be like the most High" according to my works and in so rejecting the salvation that is in His blood.
 

Duckybill

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You guys who have made yourselves estranged from Christ (Being a stranger to Christ is when He says He doesn't know you) because you want to justify yourselves by works... you are seriously so blinded by your pride and you can't even see or hear anything... it seriously sucks = (

I really hope you can wake up and repent...
Some of us have repented. That's why we don't defend living in sin.

1 John 3:10 (NKJV)
10 In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest: Whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is he who does not love his brother.

To those here promoting sinful lives:

John 14:21 (NKJV)
21 He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me. And he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and manifest Myself to him."

Satan has deceived you. You don't love Jesus. You love yourselves.
 

Robbie

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First off you don't even know me so how do you know what I do?

Second... I don't defend my sin... I confess it and rely on the blood of Jesus Christ to cleanse me...

That's how Jesus said to do it...

Not to deny that you have any sin... and by so doing puffing yourself up against everyone else who you think isn't as good as you... haha

Also deceiving yourself into thinking your saving yourself and by doing so denying Jesus Christ and making yourself a stranger to Him.

If you try and be justified by the law you will make yourself estranged from Christ... and when you become a stranger He won't know you... and when He doesn't know you He'll be saying to you one day, "Depart from me you worker of lawlessness because I don't know you" because your lawless deeds He will still see because they won't be covered by His blood.

It's all about Him...

Romans 4:7
“ Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven,And whose sins are covered;

Hebrews 8:12
For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more.”

Hebrews 10:17
then He adds, “Their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more.”

If you're trying to be justified by the law you don't know Him... and if you don't know Him your lawless deeds aren't covered by His blood... and if they're not covered by His blood He still remembers them... and if He still remembers them you're still condemned and will be cast into outer darkness...
 

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Christ's righteousness.
7 I once thought these things were valuable, but now I consider them worthless because of what Christ has done.8 Yes, everything else is worthless when compared with the infinite value of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord. For his sake I have discarded everything else, counting it all as garbage, so that I could gain Christ9 and become one with him. I no longer count on my own righteousness through obeying the law; rather, I become righteous through faith in Christ. For God’s way of making us right with himself depends on faith.
Phil 3:7-9 (NLT)



Context is important Pegg, what was the righteousness of the pharisees and scribes?


i agree 100% with this scripture. The pharisees and scribes viewed the works of the mosaic law as a measurement of righteousness. But they were wrong. Righteousness is a condition of the heart, not an outward display of obedience to certain regulations.


And that is what Prentis and everyone else is saying too. No one here is saying that works of mosaic law or obedience to those regulations makes one righteous. What does make a person righteous in Gods eyes is faith and obedience to his Son. But faith in Jesus is more then simply belief, it has to be an active alive faith...a faith that moves us to acts of love, expressions of joy & praise, thanksgiving, charity, kindness, self control, goodness, zeal.... all these good qualities were displayed in Jesus and if we are to imitate Jesus, then we should be displaying such things too. They are the fine fruits which are the result of having faith.

It's so double minded when people talk about how the righteousness of Christ can only be attained when they no longer live... but then go on to talk about how their righteousness is all about how they're living... hahahahahaha

And Word Jiggy... there's no room for self when it comes to salvation... it's all Him... all glory to Him...

My understanding, and I think Prentis means this too, is that we die in the sense of 'living in sin'.... When we put our faith in Chnst, we repent of our wrong course of life, our wrongdoing, seek Gods forgiveness through Christs sacrifice and be determined to live by Gods righteous standards. Paul put it this way:

Romans 6:1-4 Consequently, what shall we say? Shall we continue in sin, that undeserved kindness may abound? 2 Never may that happen! Seeing that we died with reference to sin, how shall we keep on living any longer in it? 3 Or do YOU not know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? 4 Therefore we were buried with him through our baptism into his death, in order that, just as Christ was raised up from the dead through the glory of the Father, we also should likewise walk in a newness of life.
The newness of life means this:
2 Corinthians 5:17 Consequently if anyone is in union with Christ, he is a new creation; the old things passed away, look! new things have come into existence.

Colossians 3:10 and clothe yourselves with the new [personality], which through accurate knowledge is being made new according to the image of the One who created it,
 

Robbie

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Once again it's people saying they agree with what it says and then totally disagreeing with it by adding all their carnal prideful understanding which completely contradict what is being said.

"Oh... I totally agree it's all about Jesus and has nothing to do with my righteousness BUT in order for it to be that way it's really all about my righteousness"

It's the whole, "But" syndrome...

"But" syndrome is really just "Pride" syndrome
 

brionne

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Robbie, you still didnt answer the question.

You dont want to reason on the scriptures so you really shouldn't be debating the point. When we cherry pick verses we can get the bible to say almost anything we want.... putting all the scriptures together is not so easy though....we have to be willing to include all the scriptures into our theology otherwise we will become lop sided.
 

Robbie

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What question? haha

I keep giving the answer... it's Him!!!

You don't want to hear that answer because it doesn't cater to your pride... because it levels the playing field... because there's saved sinners which includes everyone... and then there's the savior... which includes Him...

But you don't like that answer... the same way the Pharisees didn't... as they thought they were going to be saved by the law and looked down on others who weren't living up to their level of self righteousness... and when Christ came and was like, "Nope Pharisees... you get in the grace and mercy line with the tax collectors, harlots, thieves,etc" They hated it... because they want to think they're better than that... they want to think their salvation had something to do with their righteousness... just like you do.
 

Duckybill

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1 John 2:29 (NKJV)
29 If you know that He is righteous, you know that everyone who practices righteousness is born of Him.
 

Robbie

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I do know Prentis... it has always been pride that causes someone to say, "I will be like the most High... I will ascend into heaven" It's the same attitude satan had... and yes... the snare of satan was pride... as it was with the pharisees... as it is with everyone who thinks they will make themselves like God...

That's why Jesus is a perfect way to be justified... because pride can't accept Christ as savior... as Christ can only be accepted when we throw out our own righteousness... pride can't do that... it always want to justify itself..

That's what it means to die... and for Him to live... because it's His righteousness that is our salvation... not our own...

Here's some more for you so maybe you can grasp it Ducky...

Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe. For there is no difference; for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed, to demonstrate at the present time His righteousness, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.
 

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1 John 2:29 (NKJV)
29 If you know that He is righteous, you know that everyone who practices righteousness is born of Him.

1 John 3:7-8 (NKJV)
7 Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous. 8 He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil.
 

Duckybill

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Do you sin Ducky? and if so are you of the devil?

Are you perfect?
How many times do I have to answer that question?

"No I am not. But I am striving. There's a HUGE difference between committing a sin and living in sin. "

The issue is 'practicing sin' not committing a sin. Your smoke screen noted.
 

Robbie

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haha... no smoke screen... and definitely not telling anyone to go out and have a sin festival because Jesus died for them...

So let me get this straight... other people's sin is them living in it... and there's a huge difference between that and your sin... which is you committing it...

I could imagine you standing there with the women caught in adultery and as everyone walks away because they know they're not without sin.. a rock flies out and smacks the girl in the head and Jesus is like, "What are you doing" to which you reply, "They're living in their sin... I'm just committing it... so it's cool for me to throw rocks" bahahahhahah