All Sin Has Been Paid For - The World was buried with Him.

  • Welcome to Christian Forums, a Christian Forum that recognizes that all Christians are a work in progress.

    You will need to register to be able to join in fellowship with Christians all over the world.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!

MatthewG

Well-Known Member
Apr 21, 2021
14,096
4,919
113
33
Fyffe
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
(Please be encouraged to read all of this out loud to yourself (also read post 17) to get the full effect of what is being said - and may you be encouraged and if you have questions please feel free to ask, and I will try my best to answer them if it is possible).

The Good News is for everybody.

The Good News come through Jesus Christ, the message is for all of the world.

The result of Jesus having paid for sin of the whole world, is reconciliation, which means Gods wrath does not abide on individuals... they have been forgiven on their sin.

They do not have to believe -> It just is. Jesus died, paid for the sin of all the people in the WHOLE WORLD, their sins have been forgiven right there on the cross, and it is not a merit of receiving forgiveness based on accepting or having to believe. It just is.

That is good news. They have already been reconciled to God, those who choose not to seek or have faith, they are damned but they will have a limited resurrection, being in the heavenly realm.

2 Corinthians 5:15 He died for everyone so that those who receive his new life will no longer live for themselves. Instead, they will live for Christ, who died and was raised for them.

Paul said this, He died for everyone. That is a given, sin was paid for for all people. -- SO -- because of this Good news, - > Those who receive his new life -> Those who choose to believe not only the fact Jesus died for their entire life but they can receive new life, by faith in the Resurrection.

The destination because of the Good News Of Christ -> All people will be resurrected into the heavenly Realm.

Those who receive his new life through faith, see now this is starting to change. The first one above is FOR ALL PEOPLE, the next step is the first invitation - Those who choose to believe and walk by faith and believe they are saved to the Kingdom of God becoming Children of God. These may not produce fruit just quite yet, however if they continue to grow they will start doing so but they are Children of God, saved to the Kingdom of God. Children do not suffer for Christ - they sometimes bicker and battle, and they need milk to continue to grow and becoming strong in the Spirit in their new given life from Christ. These will be resurrected (it is a better resurrection than those who are damned to the limited resurrection) and may be able to enter into the Kingdom of the Heavenly Jerusalem due to their faith, on the Son of God.

Those who desire to grow even more and continue to push forward, have the ability to become Sons or Daughters of God. This result is becoming Heirs of Christ, being join-heirs of Christ and suffer for the name sake of Christ Jesus, in which can be a very difficult, harder road to suffer for the name sake of Jesus. They seek to live by the spirit, and to deny themselves when their flesh starts to rile up, but instead push forward to do the will of God, by abiding in Christ in which can lead to EVEN A BETTER RESURRECTION, if one desires it - which we submit and die to our flesh and allow the Spirit to help us and guide us, which is truly suffering.


The Good News is for everyone, and because of Jesus, all people have been forgiven, and the wrath of God does NOT abide on anyone due to what Jesus had done on the Cross.

Those who seek to have faith, they have salvation.

Those who desire to seek further and all God to produce fruit through you by suffering for the faith which is a different picture of those who just receive the life of Christ.

God bless you if anyone has any questions that deal with this itself (to discuss what is presented here) if you are curious on any thing about this be it suffering, or Jesus and his death, or Living by the Spirit, instead of the flesh, please feel free to leave a comment.

Lets try to live and be Jesus - allowing his new life to come through from the heavenly.

Believe me when I say this.

Jesus has forgiven you, and he died for your life. If you desire to receive His life, let him live through you, trust, believe, have faith, seek, God bless you.
 
Last edited:

MatthewG

Well-Known Member
Apr 21, 2021
14,096
4,919
113
33
Fyffe
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
Hello Lifelong_Sinner,

Would simply like to share what Jesus has stated about this as he is the one to listen to when it comes to this topic.

John 5:29they who have done what is right to the resurrection of Life, and they whose actions have been evil to the resurrection of judgement.

There are also other scriptures that all about this as well in the Bible.

Daniel 12:2
And many who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake, some to everlasting life, but others to shame and everlasting contempt.

A Limited Resurrection - a God given gift - to those who decided to not live by faith, and rejected God and Jesus. They will have a limited resurrection that will not be able to dwell in the Kingdom of God in Heaven, however whatever that may mean they will be able to live in the Heavenly realm - just not inside of the Kingdom of God, why? Due to having no faith. Jesus's death covered them either way.
 

GEN2REV

Well-Known Member
May 12, 2021
3,850
1,436
113
United States
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
A Limited Resurrection - a God given gift - to those who decided to not live by faith, and rejected God and Jesus. They will have a limited resurrection that will not be able to dwell in the Kingdom of God in Heaven, however whatever that may mean they will be able to live in the Heavenly realm - just not inside of the Kingdom of God, why? Due to having no faith. Jesus's death covered them either way.
And this is all based on Revelation 22:15. Is that correct?
 

MatthewG

Well-Known Member
Apr 21, 2021
14,096
4,919
113
33
Fyffe
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
Hello Gen2rev,

Just sharing to answer your question, referencing Revelation 22:15, which people can agree with or disagree with as all of have to make a choice to accept Rev 22:15 being true or some may reject the idea of people being in the Heavenly Realm.

To the question:

Not only that and the other present scripture about the resurrection of those who are resurrected to life, and resurrected to shame and contempt.

But also based on the victory of Jesus over all things, sin, death, death, Satan and his demons, and Sheol.

(Side issue)
Some do not believe Jesus has come back yet, and I accept anyone who believes that and will not argue with them over it.
 

Windmillcharge

Well-Known Member
Dec 21, 2017
2,934
1,823
113
68
London
Faith
Christian
Country
United Kingdom
They do not have to believe -> It just is. Jesus died, paid for the sin of all the people in the WHOLE WORLD, their sins have been forgiven right there on the cross, and it is not a merit of receiving forgiveness based on accepting or having to believe. It just is.

Sorry but you have not read John 3: 16 - 18 which clearly say those who believe are saved, while those who do not believe are condemned.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Earburner

MatthewG

Well-Known Member
Apr 21, 2021
14,096
4,919
113
33
Fyffe
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
Yes. That has been noted, windmill.

Thank you, I believe I touched on those who have limited resurrection, which are those who are raised to shame and contempt.

It should be mentioned in the first post, if it is not there will you let me know and I will
Make sure that is noticeable for others, please?
 

dev553344

Well-Known Member
Jul 14, 2020
14,476
17,040
113
USA
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
God is the only one that can forgive sins. And he chooses that on a case by case basis. Not something people can do for themselves other than attempting to please God.
 

MatthewG

Well-Known Member
Apr 21, 2021
14,096
4,919
113
33
Fyffe
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
Yes, and God forgave sin, on account of the bloodshed of Christ Devin.

What this means is that God forgave you before you were born, because of Jesus, only people do not find out about this truth until they do, right?

That is the purpose of this thread. All sin has been forgiven before I was born, Jesus died for my life before I became created from procreation.

Many people have to deal with their own beliefs though and figure it out for themselves the best place to learn and understand more about this is from the Bible itself.

Some will seek some will not. Total choice.

thank you for sharing.


Hebrews 10:1-18
English Standard Version

Christ's Sacrifice Once for All
10 For since the law has but a shadow of the good things to come instead of the true form of these realities, it can never, by the same sacrifices that are continually offered every year, make perfect those who draw near. 2 Otherwise, would they not have ceased to be offered, since the worshipers, having once been cleansed, would no longer have any consciousness of sins? 3 But in these sacrifices there is a reminder of sins every year.4 For it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins.

5 Consequently, when Christ came into the world, he said,

“Sacrifices and offerings you have not desired,
but a body have you prepared for me;
6 in burnt offerings and sin offerings
you have taken no pleasure.
7 Then I said, ‘Behold, I have come to do your will, O God,
as it is written of me in the scroll of the book.’”

8 When he said above, “You have neither desired nor taken pleasure in sacrifices and offerings and burnt offerings and sin offerings” (these are offered according to the law), 9 then he added, “Behold, I have come to do your will.” He does away with the first in order to establish the second. 10 And by that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

11 And every priest stands daily at his service, offering repeatedly the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. 12 But when Christ had offered for all time a single sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God, 13 waiting from that time until his enemies should be made a footstool for his feet. 14 For by a single offering he has perfected for all time those who are being sanctified.

15 And the Holy Spirit also bears witness to us; for after saying,

16 “This is the covenant that I will make with them
after those days, declares the Lord:
I will put my laws on their hearts,
and write them on their minds,”

17 then he adds,

“I will remember their sins and their lawless deeds no more.”

18 Where there is forgiveness of these, there is no longer any offering for sin.
 

dev553344

Well-Known Member
Jul 14, 2020
14,476
17,040
113
USA
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
Yes, and God forgave sin, on account of the bloodshed of Christ Devin.

What this means is that God forgave you before you were born, because of Jesus, only people do not find out about this truth until they do, right?

That is the purpose of this thread. All sin has been forgiven before I was born, Jesus died for my life before I became created from procreation.

Many people have to deal with their own beliefs though and figure it out for themselves the best place to learn and understand more about this is from the Bible itself.

Some will seek some will not. Total choice.

thank you for sharing.


Hebrews 10:1-18
English Standard Version

Christ's Sacrifice Once for All
10 For since the law has but a shadow of the good things to come instead of the true form of these realities, it can never, by the same sacrifices that are continually offered every year, make perfect those who draw near. 2 Otherwise, would they not have ceased to be offered, since the worshipers, having once been cleansed, would no longer have any consciousness of sins? 3 But in these sacrifices there is a reminder of sins every year.4 For it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins.

5 Consequently, when Christ came into the world, he said,

“Sacrifices and offerings you have not desired,
but a body have you prepared for me;
6 in burnt offerings and sin offerings
you have taken no pleasure.
7 Then I said, ‘Behold, I have come to do your will, O God,
as it is written of me in the scroll of the book.’”

8 When he said above, “You have neither desired nor taken pleasure in sacrifices and offerings and burnt offerings and sin offerings” (these are offered according to the law), 9 then he added, “Behold, I have come to do your will.” He does away with the first in order to establish the second. 10 And by that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

11 And every priest stands daily at his service, offering repeatedly the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. 12 But when Christ had offered for all time a single sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God, 13 waiting from that time until his enemies should be made a footstool for his feet. 14 For by a single offering he has perfected for all time those who are being sanctified.

15 And the Holy Spirit also bears witness to us; for after saying,

16 “This is the covenant that I will make with them
after those days, declares the Lord:
I will put my laws on their hearts,
and write them on their minds,”

17 then he adds,

“I will remember their sins and their lawless deeds no more.”

18 Where there is forgiveness of these, there is no longer any offering for sin.
That's not the way it works. Jesus forgave some people in the bible but it doesn't say he forgave everyone. In fact there are many that will be cast into the lake of fire for not being helpful to the needy. We find that out in the sheep and goats verses in Matthew 25:31-46.

Telling people that God forgave them is overstepping authority. That also is the accusation that the Pharisees had against Christ. They didn't think he had power to forgive sins and only God could do that. And they were partially correct. Jesus could forgive sins because God gave him that power.

I'll let God tell me if I am forgiven and not assume.
 
Last edited:

Scott Downey

Well-Known Member
Dec 19, 2021
4,797
2,834
113
64
New Brunswick
Faith
Christian
Country
Canada
They do not have to believe -> It just is. Jesus died, paid for the sin of all the people in the WHOLE WORLD, their sins have been forgiven right there on the cross, and it is not a merit of receiving forgiveness based on accepting or having to believe. It just is.
Yes the wicked are also raised up, but Jesus said it this way,
John 5:28-30 New King James Version
28 Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice 29 and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation.

30 I can of Myself do nothing. As I hear, I judge; and My judgment is righteous, because I do not seek My own will but the will of the Father who sent Me.

Resurrected to condemnation in hell, this is not life, but eternal death, eternal destruction for them that believe not.
The wicked shall be thrown bodily into the lake of fire by the holy angels after the great white throne judgement.

This is because they die in their sins unforgiven as they refuse God all the time, they do not believe, they have no love for the truth, and they experience the eternal wrath of God forever and ever.

John 8:23-25
New King James Version
23 And He said to them, “You are from beneath; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world. 24 Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I am He, you will die in your sins.”

25 Then they said to Him, “Who are You?”

And Jesus said to them, “Just what I have been saying to you from the beginning.

In HIS NAME is preached the forgiveness of sin, but they have no forgiveness therefore their sin remains.

John 9:40-41
New King James Version
40 Then some of the Pharisees who were with Him heard these words, and said to Him, “Are we blind also?”

41 Jesus said to them, “If you were blind, you would have no sin; but now you say, ‘We see.’ Therefore your sin remains.
 
  • Like
Reactions: dev553344

MatthewG

Well-Known Member
Apr 21, 2021
14,096
4,919
113
33
Fyffe
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
That's not the way it works. Jesus forgave some people in the bible but it doesn't say he forgave everyone. In fact there are many that will be cast into the lake of fire for not being helpful to the needy. We find that out in the sheep and goats verses in Matthew 25:31-46.

Telling people that God forgave them is overstepping authority. That also is the accusation that the Pharisees had against Christ. They didn't think he had power to forgive sins and only God could do that. And they were partially correct. Jesus could forgive sins because God gave him that power.

I'll let God tell me if I am forgiven and not assume.

I don’t think telling someone that Jesus died for your sins already and that he loves them is overstepping anything personally Devin. I don’t know where else to get answers expect the Bible my friend.

God sent his son while we were still sinners, who died and paid for sin.

Ephesians 1:7 In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, in accordance with the riches of God’s grace

So thus sharing Christ that they are forgiven
It is up to them to accept or not.

Romans 5:8But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.

You’re right though, you have to choose what you will believe or not believe. Love you either way and May God guide you down the right path sir.

God bless you.
 

MatthewG

Well-Known Member
Apr 21, 2021
14,096
4,919
113
33
Fyffe
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
Yes the wicked are also raised up, but Jesus said it this way,
John 5:28-30 New King James Version
28 Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice 29 and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation.

30 I can of Myself do nothing. As I hear, I judge; and My judgment is righteous, because I do not seek My own will but the will of the Father who sent Me.

Resurrected to condemnation in hell, this is not life, but eternal death, eternal destruction for them that believe not.
The wicked shall be thrown bodily into the lake of fire by the holy angels after the great white throne judgement.

This is because they die in their sins unforgiven as they refuse God all the time, they do not believe, they have no love for the truth, and they experience the eternal wrath of God forever and ever.

John 8:23-25
New King James Version
23 And He said to them, “You are from beneath; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world. 24 Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I am He, you will die in your sins.”

25 Then they said to Him, “Who are You?”

And Jesus said to them, “Just what I have been saying to you from the beginning.

In HIS NAME is preached the forgiveness of sin, but they have no forgiveness therefore their sin remains.

John 9:40-41
New King James Version
40 Then some of the Pharisees who were with Him heard these words, and said to Him, “Are we blind also?”

41 Jesus said to them, “If you were blind, you would have no sin; but now you say, ‘We see.’ Therefore your sin remains.

Hello Scott,

You may believe how you will. In that day in age they needed to be saved from the wrath that was going to fall upon the nation of Israel that was who he was talking to, all throughout his ministry mainly he preached the the lost sheep of Israel. Thank you for sharing your viewpoints.

According to Hebrew 10 Jesus paid for all sin once on the cross, some believe it some do not.
 

MatthewG

Well-Known Member
Apr 21, 2021
14,096
4,919
113
33
Fyffe
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
Was that what my post said ? I don’t believe you read the whole thing, sir. @Behold.

my encouragement is for all people to make sure they read the whole post, to get the full effect of what is being said.
 

MatthewG

Well-Known Member
Apr 21, 2021
14,096
4,919
113
33
Fyffe
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
To all and anyone willingly to read,

If anyone reads all of the main post they will get some sort of understanding of what is being said here.

Not everyone today believes Jesus has returned, they are still waiting. I am of the belief that he didn’t lie and came back in the first century in 70Ad just as he did when he ascended and the the two messagers asked those standing around why are you looking up there? He will come back in like manner.

Now this goes far beyond normal orthodoxy, and apologetics, and everything because it enables the new convents to be completely and totally subjective with your relationship being with God directly through Christ, and you understand that he had come back, but you still are part of the body of Christ, just not the bride (144,000 Jewish people of the 12 tribes of Israel). And the Great white throne judgment was for those people back in that day in age and the outcome is the complete revelation of Chapter 22 where those who come that are thirsty and given drink, if they choose to. Those who do not, won’t and do not, and they are outside of the heavenly Jerusalem based on non faith.

Many people would say that strips away our hope?

Well that depends on where your hope lies in, is it in this present time now? Or is in the future - of the eternal?

My great encouragement is to seek to understand your sins where forgiven… before you were born because of Jesus bloodshed on the cross given to God as an offering that was pleasing…

Thus, Jesus paid for not only your life, But Allllllllllll others in the world to.

Many believe the good news if you believe on Jesus your sins are forgiven and you don’t go to hell… that good news being not gonna go to hell!

With all this in mind the victory of Jesus you see victory over sin, death, Sheol/hades/hell, Satan and his demons… for all people because of his, death, burial, and resurrection.

All of these are merited for all life, because of Jesus paying one time for all sin.

It’s very hard to accept… due to traditional teachings… and where one may have their mindset at.

What is the result of the good news, people who die today don’t go to hell, or burning forever, but they will have a place to go that is outside the kingdom of Heaven, and if anyone was to come into the kingdom of heaven, and God is Consuming fire, I’m sure whatever darkness is there would clean them out and purge them… (taking in a little from revelation 21)… it’s conjecture, and I don’t know but I have faith in a Good God.

Those who die today without faith, they are not saved to the kingdom of heaven…

They still have been saved from everything else mentioned.
 

MatthewG

Well-Known Member
Apr 21, 2021
14,096
4,919
113
33
Fyffe
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
Also never believe me, or anyone for that matter and study the Bible for yourself and seek for truth.

God bless all of you!
 

dev553344

Well-Known Member
Jul 14, 2020
14,476
17,040
113
USA
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
@MatthewG you know we're friends. So I'm just trying to steer you correct so that you don't make that mistake of telling people their sins are forgiven.
 

dev553344

Well-Known Member
Jul 14, 2020
14,476
17,040
113
USA
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
Acts of the Apostles 2:38 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
 
  • Like
Reactions: MatthewG

MatthewG

Well-Known Member
Apr 21, 2021
14,096
4,919
113
33
Fyffe
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
Yes we are friends.

If someone sins against you, didn’t Jesus say forgive them?

I do appreciate you being kind, and I love you, and desire to love God and all people brother.

However I will do as I am lead by the spirit, as God is the one who is with me, and you, and desires for all to come the knowledge of the truth about the son of God.

1 Timothy 2
1I urge you, first of all, to pray for all people. Ask God to help them; intercede on their behalf, and give thanks for them. 2Pray this way for kings and all who are in authority so that we can live peaceful and quiet lives marked by godliness and dignity. 3This is good and pleases God our Savior, 4who wants everyone to be saved and to understand the truth
 
  • Like
Reactions: dev553344