Nebuchadnezzars' yoke of iron

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Nebuchadnezzar's yoke of iron.
 
Nebuchadrezzar, king of Babylon, was also called a king of kings in Ez. 26:7. I think he is the king of Babylon, "THE OPPRESSOR" mentioned in Isaiah 14. An instrument of God's wrath.
Isaiah 14:2 says Israel "shall rule over their oppressors." (nations against Israel) and the king of Babylon is described as Israel's oppressor.
His pride and evil nature is compared to the fall of Lucifer. Only the antichrist can be equated with Lucifer in the end. This "king of Babylon" or "Assyrian" could very well be a resurrected Nebuchadnezzar!

So what is Nebuchadnezzar's yoke of iron?
Nebuchadnezzar was prophesied by Moses in Deuteronomy 28:48 as to the yoke of iron that would one day come on Israel if they kept disobeying God.
Jeremiah writes in Jeremiah 28:14 about Nebuchadnezzar as the yoke of iron king.

Jeremiah 28:14 For thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; I have put a yoke of iron upon the neck of all these nations, that they may serve Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon; and they shall serve him: and I have given him the beasts of the field also.

Isaiah 14:25  That I will break the Assyrian in my land, and upon my mountains tread him under foot: then shall his yoke depart and his burden depart from off their shoulders.

Isaiah 10:27 And it shall come to pass in that day, that his burden shall be taken away from off thy shoulder, and his yoke from off thy neck, and the yoke shall be destroyed because of the anointing.

Jeremiah 30:6-9 speaks of a yoke that will break at the end of the time of Jacob's trouble.
Jeremiah 30:6  Ask ye now, and see whether a man doth travail with child? wherefore do I see every man with his hands on his loins, as a woman in travail, and all faces are turned into paleness?
7  Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble; but he shall be saved out of it.
8  For it shall come to pass in that day, saith the LORD of hosts, that I will break his yoke from off thy neck, and will burst thy bonds, and strangers shall no more serve themselves of him:

This yoke can't be broken until the captivity or the 70 years are accomplished.

Now look at how these verses are worded.

Jeremiah 25:11  And this whole land shall be a desolation, and an astonishment; and these nations shall serve the king of Babylon seventy years.
12  And it shall come to pass, when seventy years are accomplished, that I will punish the king of Babylon, and that nation, saith the LORD, for their iniquity, and the land of the Chaldeans, and will make it perpetual desolations.

Jeremiah 29:10  For thus saith the LORD, That after seventy years be accomplished at Babylon I will visit you, and perform my good word toward you, in causing you to return to this place.
Jeremiah 25:11 has yet to be completely fulfilled because Nebuchadnezzar or the Babylonian kings never ruled the seventy years required to fulfill that prophecy.

The second invasion of Nebuchadnezzar came in 597. Jerusalem was captured, King Jehoichin was deported to Babylon, and Zedekiah was placed on the throne. (2 Kings 24:17) The final end is described in 2 Kings:
Nebuchadnezzar ascended to the throne of Babylon on the death of his father Nabopolassor in September 605 after defeating the Egyptian armies under Pharaoh Neco at the famous battle of Carchemish in May and June of that year. (Mighty Egypt was permanently weakened at that battle and Babylon moved into ascendancy as the greatest gentile power in the ancient world). Daniel, and others were taken captive by Nebuchadnezzar in the same year (2 Kings 24:1). King Jehoiakim was made a vassal at that time, but soon proved rebellious.
 

And the whole land shall be a desolation and an astonishment, and these nations shall serve the king of Babylon seventy years. Then it will come to pass, when seventy years are completed, that I will punish the king of Babylon and that nation, the land of the Chaldeans, for their iniquity,' says the Lord; 'and I will make it a perpetual desolation. (Jeremiah 25:12,13).
Cyrus the Great gave Jews permission to return to their homeland in 538 BCE,[4]HYPERLINK \l "cite_note-4"[5]HYPERLINK \l "cite_note-5"[6] and more than 40,000 are said to have returned, as noted in the Biblical accounts of Jehoiakim,

The math.
605
538
67

There are some people in denial about this discrepancy of unfulfillment. They just can't believe that God would make a mistake about a prophecy that was supposedly fulfilled. They have attributed the missing 3 1/2 years of fulfillment to historical error and some have changed the dates. Most bible scholars who are not in denial agree that the Babylonian captivity/servitude of Israel didn't last 70 years. It lasted between 66 and 67 years. Only 66.5 years of the Babylonian captivity has been fulfilled. That leaves three and a half years of "unfulfilled prophecy". I heard Dr. David Jeremiah say that even though the captivity did not last 70 years, "That's close enough"!

Well, I don't think God works in approximations.
The seventy years have not "been accomplished" but will be 'fulfilled' in the coming 3 1/2 year reign of the man of sin.
Now check out some things about this "Assyrian" who was born between the Euphrates and the Tigres...the middle of ancient Assyria.

Saddam Hussein believed he was the re-incarnation of Nebuchadnezzar. He also idolized Nebuchadnezzar and the Assyrian Empire.

The bible say's that the "man of sin" will recover from a fatal wound. Saddam's head was nearly removed from his body when he was hung. I'm not at all convinced we got the right Saddam because there were 5 Saddam's! I just don't believe that the real Saddam would have been found in a hole in the ground with the amount of money he had. I think we found one of his doubles.

Saddam also believed he was "the god of rebirth and ressurection".

I think, as crazy as it sounds, that Saddam will return to fulfill the remaining 3 1/2 years prophecy as the antichrist. He will unite the countries of the Arab/Muslim world currently in apostasy as well as the the Sunni and Shia sects of Islam, (the two horned beast) and form a ten nation Arab/Muslim confederacy (the ten horned beast) otherwise know as the kingdom of the antichrist.

On the day Saddam was captured, The U.S. version of Time Magazine had the articles written and the cover photo done about another very important person. But because of the significance of Saddam's capture, they only had a few days to "replace" the cover photo and articles of this other person with Saddam's. The person that Saddam replaced was none other than...Jesus Christ.
These many reasons are why I believe that Saddam will return and fulfill the remaining 3 1/2 years of Jeremiah's prophecy.

Other things to consider.

The empire that Saddam emulated most was the Assyrian Empire... and Saddam qualifies as an Assyrian and a fatally wounded one at that!

Saddam has his and Nebuchadnezzar's name inscribed on every brick of some temples he built in honor of his greatness. Saddam idolized Nebuchadnezzar.
Nine-tenths of all the bricks amid the ruins of Babylon are stamped with Nebuchadnezzar's name on them.

There are carvings of Saddam and Nebuchadnezzar face to face on some buildings and mosque in Iraq.

Is it too strange to consider that the scripture above could refer to some type of demon possession reincarnation of an evil despot like Nebuchadnezzar into Saddam Hussein? If Saddam returns as the one who unites the Arab world and forms the 10 nation Islamic empire...the world will wonder for sure.

The origin and bloodline of the world's final enemy is in the bible if you are willing to accept it. It's not Rome and it's not the EU or the US.
In Micah 5:4-6 The Assyrian antichrist comes and Israel is delivered by Christ at his second advent.
4  And he shall stand and feed in the strength of the LORD, in the majesty of the name of the LORD his God; and they shall abide: for now shall he be great unto the ends of the earth.
5  And this man shall be the peace, when the Assyrian shall come into our land: and when he shall tread in our palaces, then shall we raise against him seven shepherds, and eight principal men.
6  And they shall waste the land of Assyria with the sword, and the land of Nimrod in the entrances thereof: thus shall he deliver us from the Assyrian, when he cometh into our land, and when he treadeth within our borders.
Isaiah 10:24  ¶Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD of hosts, O my people that dwellest in Zion, be not afraid of the Assyrian: he shall smite thee with a rod, and shall lift up his staff against thee, after the manner of Egypt.
25  For yet a very little while, and the indignation shall cease, and mine anger in their destruction.
26  And the LORD of hosts shall stir up a scourge for him according to the slaughter of Midian at the rock of Oreb: and as his rod was upon the sea, so shall he lift it up after the manner of Egypt.
27  And it shall come to pass in that day, that his burden shall be taken away from off thy shoulder, and his yoke from off thy neck, and the yoke shall be destroyed because of the anointing.
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Amos 4:10  I have sent among you the pestilence after the manner of Egypt: your young men have I slain with the sword, and have taken away your horses; and I have made the stink of your camps to come up unto your nostrils: yet have ye not returned unto me, saith the LORD.
11  I have overthrown some of you, as God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah, and ye were as a firebrand plucked out of the burning: yet have ye not returned unto me, saith the LORD.
12  Therefore thus will I do unto thee, O Israel: and because I will do this unto thee, prepare to meet thy God, O Israel.
13  For, lo, he that formeth the mountains, and createth the wind, and declareth unto man what is his thought, that maketh the morning darkness, and treadeth upon the high places of the earth, The LORD, The God of hosts, is his name.
Read Ezekiel 31.
Ezekiel 31:3  Behold, the Assyrian was a cedar in Lebanon...16  I made the nations to shake at the sound of his fall, when I cast him down to hell with them that descend into the pit: and all the trees of Eden, the choice and best of Lebanon, all that drink water, shall be comforted in the nether parts of the earth.
17  They also went down into hell with him unto them that be slain with the sword; and they that were his arm, that dwelt under his shadow in the midst of the heathen.
 
The ships of Kittim.

Ninevah was the capital city of Assyria and located in "Asshur" or Northern Iraq.
Nimrod founded Babylon and built the tower of Babel. Genesis 10:8-11. (This is where I believe the antichrist will come from.)

Asshur and Eber are northern and southern Iraq.
Daniel 11:30. For the ships of Chittim shall come against him: therefore he shall be grieved, and return, and have indignation against the holy covenant: so shall he do; he shall even return, and have intelligence with them that forsake the holy covenant.

The ships of Chittim, (or ships of Kittim) Numbers 24:21-24. Daniel 11:30... are called the ships of the Western Coastland in the NIV.

Numbers 24:24 And ships [shall come] from the coast of Chittim, and shall afflict Asshur, and shall afflict Eber, and he also shall perish for ever.
"The ships of the Western Coastland shall subdue Asshur and Eber and they too will come to ruin." This could be the US and Brittian.

It's believed that the Ships of Kittim (Chittim) came from Cyprus. And Ashur is the Hebrew word for Assyria.
Asshur and Assyria and Eber and Chaldea are the area of Iraq. Iraq in Arabic is Mesopotamia meaning the land between two rivers i.e. the Tigres and the Euphrates. This is where scripture say's the little horn will come from.

U.S. NAVY USES CYPRUS AS BASE

MOSCOW [MENL] -- The United States has expanded its use of Cyprus as a base for operations in both the Mediterranean and Black seas.

Russian officials said the U.S. Sixth Fleet has increased its presence in Cyprus and has employed the island as a base for naval operations, intelligence and reconnaissance. They said the fleet has deployed surface and underwater vessels as well as maritime patrol aircraft in Cyprus in reconnaissance missions for both the United States and NATO.

The expanded U.S. deployment in Cyprus began in mid-2004 and was expected to increase in 2005, the officials said. They said the U.S. Sixth Fleet and other military commands have obtained permission from Britain to use its bases on the island to help monitor countries believed to be supporting Al Qaida-aligned groups or exporting weapons of mass destruction. The United States has sought to recruit NATO and other allies to intercept WMD exports in a program termed the Proliferation Security Initiative. PSI held an exercise off the coast of Japan, near North Korea, in October 2004.

The expanded U.S. military presence in Cyprus has prompted U.S. missions in and over the Black Sea, which borders Russia. In November 2004, a U.S. Navy P-3C Orion left its base in Cyprus and conducted a reconnaissance mission along the Russian border.
 
 

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Big problem with all that dependance upon Nebuchadnezzar's yoke of iron. God already broke it...


Jer 28:1-4
1 And it came to pass the same year, in the beginning of the reign of Zedekiah king of Judah, in the fourth year, and in the fifth month, that Hananiah the son of Azur the prophet, which was of Gibeon, spake unto me in the house of the LORD, in the presence of the priests and of all the people, saying,
2 Thus speaketh the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel, saying, I have broken the yoke of the king of Babylon.
3 Within two full years will I bring again into this place all the vessels of the LORD's house, that Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon took away from this place, and carried them to Babylon:
4 And I will bring again to this place Jeconiah the son of Jehoiakim king of Judah, with all the captives of Judah, that went into Babylon, saith the LORD: for I will break the yoke of the king of Babylon.

(KJV)

That happened when the 70 years captivity of Judah to Babylon ended, in the days of Ezra and Nehemiah... LONG AGO!

Saddam Hussein was NOT the endtime king of Babylon nor the Assyrian that Christ was speaking of.

And the geographic location of the city of Babylon in today's Iraq IS NOT the Babylon harlot of Revelation.

THE BABYLON HARLOT IS JERUSALEM.
 

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Very fancy!

Big problem with all that dependance upon Nebuchadnezzar's yoke of iron. God already broke it...


Jer 28:1-4
1 And it came to pass the same year, in the beginning of the reign of Zedekiah king of Judah, in the fourth year, and in the fifth month, that Hananiah the son of Azur the prophet, which was of Gibeon, spake unto me in the house of the LORD, in the presence of the priests and of all the people, saying,
2 Thus speaketh the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel, saying, I have broken the yoke of the king of Babylon.
3 Within two full years will I bring again into this place all the vessels of the LORD's house, that Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon took away from this place, and carried them to Babylon:
4 And I will bring again to this place Jeconiah the son of Jehoiakim king of Judah, with all the captives of Judah, that went into Babylon, saith the LORD: for I will break the yoke of the king of Babylon.
(KJV)

Actually no problem at all!

Thought you had me on that one didn't you! Did you stay up all night patting yourself on the back thinking how you proved me wrong? You've done no more than accept a false prophecy!
Jeremiah 28:1 isn't a prophecy by Jeremiah. It is a false prophecy of Hananiah and emerged from a prophetical contest between Jeremiah and Hananiah!
 
We should start with chapter 26. It needs to be read if you want to understand this. This was before the captivity. Jeremiah was put on trial by the house of Judah in chapter 26 and impeached by the people. The people thought the city and the temple was protected by God and that nothing bad would ever happen to them. Jeremiah was on trial for his life and was charged with treason and sentenced to death for prophesying against the city. Starting in verse 12 we read of Jeremiah's defense saying to the people that the Lord sent him to this house and city to prophesy against it.

Jeremiah 26:12  Then spake Jeremiah unto all the princes and to all the people, saying, The LORD sent me to prophesy against this house and against this city all the words that ye have heard.
13  Therefore now amend your ways and your doings, and obey the voice of the LORD your God; and the LORD will repent him of the evil that he hath pronounced against you.
Jeremiah doesn't back down. He repeats the prophecy and the outcome if Judah doesn't repent.

In verse 16 you get the verdict of the trial. Jeremiah was acquitted.

Jeremiah 26:16  ¶Then said the princes and all the people unto the priests and to the prophets; This man is not worthy to die: for he hath spoken to us in the name of the LORD our God.
Another prophet that we know little about 'Urijah' also prophecied against the city and the land.
20  And there was also a man that prophesied in the name of the LORD, Urijah the son of Shemaiah of Kirjathjearim, who prophesied against this city and against this land according to all the words of Jeremiah:

King Jehoiakim was angry with Urijah and sentenced him to death for prophesying the same thing Jeremiah did. So Urijah fled into Egypt where he was caught and brought back to Judah where Jehoiakim killed him. King Jehoiakim refused to repent and the elders said that they were about to bring great evil upon themselves. Jeremiah was spared.

Chapter 27 occured about 12 years after chapter 26 to the time of Zedekiah who was the last king of Judah. Nebuchadnezzar had already come against Jerusalem and had taken Daniel captive to Babylon.

Jeremiah 27:1  ¶In the beginning of the reign of Jehoiakim the son of Josiah king of Judah came this word unto Jeremiah from the LORD, saying,
2  Thus saith the LORD to me; Make thee bonds and yokes, and put them upon thy neck,
So Jeremiah must of had made these yoke bars and put them around his neck.

Now notice the following passage. Nebuchadnezzar is called God's servant. And it was about this time that Nebuchadnezzar had the vision of the great statue in Daniel 2.

Jeremiah 27:8  And it shall come to pass, that the nation and kingdom which will not serve the same Nebuchadnezzar the king of Babylon, and that will not put their neck under the yoke of the king of Babylon,that nation will I punish, saith the LORD, with the sword, and with the famine, and with the pestilence, until I have consumed them by his hand.

9  Therefore hearken not ye to your prophets, nor to your diviners, nor to your dreamers, nor to your enchanters, nor to your sorcerers, which speak unto you, saying, Ye shall not serve the king of Babylon:
10  For they prophesy a lie unto you, to remove you far from your land; and that I should drive you out, and ye should perish.
11  But the nations that bring their neck under the yoke of the king of Babylon, and serve him, those will I let remain still in their own land, saith the LORD; and they shall till it, and dwell therein.

The word of the prophets tell the kings to not listen to the dreamers, soothsayers, diviners, sorcerers....and shall not serve the king of Babylon because it's a lie.
9  Therefore hearken not ye to your prophets, nor to your diviners, nor to your dreamers, nor to your enchanters, nor to your sorcerers, which speak unto you, saying, Ye shall not serve the king of Babylon:
10  For they prophesy a lie unto you, to remove you far from your land; and that I should drive you out, and ye should perish.
When Israel lost it's power and sovereignty, false prophets came and tried who to confuse people. They would predict events that may or may not pass.

Jeremiah tells the people and the priest to not listen to the words of the prophets for they are lies.
Jeremiah 27:16  Also I spake to the priests and to all this people, saying, Thus saith the LORD; Hearken not to the words of your prophets that prophesy unto you, saying, Behold, the vessels of the LORD'S house shall now shortly be brought again from Babylon: for they prophesy a lie unto you.

In chapter 28 we have a clear picture and power of one of these false prophets named Hananiah. In the first 4 verses you get a direct challenge of this false prophet (Hananiah) against Jeremiah. This is a false prophecy of Hananiah. The one you fell for by not reading chapter 26-27.

This is the false prophecy of Hananiah!

Jeremiah 28:1  ¶And it came to pass the same year, in the beginning of the reign of Zedekiah king of Judah, in the fourth year, and in the fifth month, that Hananiah the son of Azur the prophet, which was of Gibeon, spake unto me in the house of the LORD, in the presence of the priests and of all the people, saying,
2  Thus speaketh the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel, saying, I have broken the yoke of the king of Babylon.
3  Within two full years will I bring again into this place all the vessels of the LORD'S house, that Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon took away from this place, and carried them to Babylon:
4  And I will bring again to this place Jeconiah the son of Jehoiakim king of Judah, with all the captives of Judah, that went into Babylon, saith the LORD: for I will break the yoke of the king of Babylon.

He say's that God will break the yoke of the king of Babylon within 2 years. That's what the people wanted to hear! Hananiah used the same type of words as Jeremiah and both claiming "Thus saith the Lord." They both claimed they spoke by the power of God. The prophets Jeremiah and Hananiah had contradictory messages. Jeremiah said the captivity would last for 70 years. Hananiah said the Jews would be in Babylon for 2 years.

What does Jeremiah say? He wishes it were true!
Jeremiah 28:6  Even the prophet Jeremiah said, Amen: the LORD do so: the LORD perform thy words which thou hast prophesied, to bring again the vessels of the LORD'S house, and all that is carried away captive, from Babylon into this place.
7  Nevertheless hear thou now this word that I speak in thine ears, and in the ears of all the people;

Jeremiah reminds them what a true prophet is. The one whose prophecy comes true is the true prophet of God.

8  The prophets that have been before me and before thee of old prophesied both against many countries, and against great kingdoms, of war, and of evil, and of pestilence.
9  The prophet which prophesieth of peace, when the word of the prophet shall come to pass, then shall the prophet be known, that the LORD hath truly sent him.
Now Veteran this is where you really need to pay attention.
10  ¶Then Hananiah the prophet took the yoke from off the prophet Jeremiah's neck, and brake it.
11  And Hananiah spake in the presence of all the people, saying, Thus saith the LORD; Even so will I break the yoke of Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon from the neck of all nations within the space of two full years. And the prophet Jeremiah went his way.

Hananiah took the wooden yoke from Jeremiah's neck and broke it saying "this is what God will do with the yoke of Babylon and He will break it within 2 years." Jeremiah just leaves and doesn't confront the matter.

This is where you have to pay attention!

12  Then the word of the LORD came unto Jeremiah the prophet, after that Hananiah the prophet had broken the yoke from off the neck of the prophet Jeremiah, saying,
13  Go and tell Hananiah, saying, Thus saith the LORD; Thou hast broken the yokes of wood; but thou shalt make for them yokes of iron.
14  For thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; I have put a yoke of iron upon the neck of all these nations, that they may serve Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon; and they shall serve him: and I have given him the beasts of the field also.
15  Then said the prophet Jeremiah unto Hananiah the prophet, Hear now, Hananiah; The LORD hath not sent thee; but thou makest this people to trust in a lie.
16  Therefore thus saith the LORD; Behold, I will cast thee from off the face of the earth: this year thou shalt die, because thou hast taught rebellion against the LORD.
17  So Hananiah the prophet died the same year in the seventh month.

The bottom line.....
Maybe you should study before you speak!
 

I'll confront this comment of yours later.

That happened when the 70 years captivity of Judah to Babylon ended, in the days of Ezra and Nehemiah... LONG AGO!

Saddam Hussein was NOT the endtime king of Babylon nor the Assyrian that Christ was speaking of.

And the geographic location of the city of Babylon in today's Iraq IS NOT the Babylon harlot of Revelation.

THE BABYLON HARLOT IS JERUSALEM.

Get some sleep tonight. I know I need it!
 

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Actually no problem at all!

Thought you had me on that one didn't you! Did you stay up all night patting yourself on the back thinking how you proved me wrong? You've done no more than accept a false prophecy!
Jeremiah 28:1 isn't a prophecy by Jeremiah. It is a false prophecy of Hananiah and emerged from a prophetical contest between Jeremiah and Hananiah!
 
We should start with chapter 26. It needs to be read if you want to understand this. This was before the captivity. Jeremiah was put on trial by the house of Judah in chapter 26 and impeached by the people. The people thought the city and the temple was protected by God and that nothing bad would ever happen to them. Jeremiah was on trial for his life and was charged with treason and sentenced to death for prophesying against the city. Starting in verse 12 we read of Jeremiah's defense saying to the people that the Lord sent him to this house and city to prophesy against it.

Jeremiah 26:12  Then spake Jeremiah unto all the princes and to all the people, saying, The LORD sent me to prophesy against this house and against this city all the words that ye have heard.
13  Therefore now amend your ways and your doings, and obey the voice of the LORD your God; and the LORD will repent him of the evil that he hath pronounced against you.
Jeremiah doesn't back down. He repeats the prophecy and the outcome if Judah doesn't repent.

In verse 16 you get the verdict of the trial. Jeremiah was acquitted.

Jeremiah 26:16  ¶Then said the princes and all the people unto the priests and to the prophets; This man is not worthy to die: for he hath spoken to us in the name of the LORD our God.
Another prophet that we know little about 'Urijah' also prophecied against the city and the land.
20  And there was also a man that prophesied in the name of the LORD, Urijah the son of Shemaiah of Kirjathjearim, who prophesied against this city and against this land according to all the words of Jeremiah:

King Jehoiakim was angry with Urijah and sentenced him to death for prophesying the same thing Jeremiah did. So Urijah fled into Egypt where he was caught and brought back to Judah where Jehoiakim killed him. King Jehoiakim refused to repent and the elders said that they were about to bring great evil upon themselves. Jeremiah was spared.

Chapter 27 occured about 12 years after chapter 26 to the time of Zedekiah who was the last king of Judah. Nebuchadnezzar had already come against Jerusalem and had taken Daniel captive to Babylon.

Jeremiah 27:1  ¶In the beginning of the reign of Jehoiakim the son of Josiah king of Judah came this word unto Jeremiah from the LORD, saying,
2  Thus saith the LORD to me; Make thee bonds and yokes, and put them upon thy neck,
So Jeremiah must of had made these yoke bars and put them around his neck.

Now notice the following passage. Nebuchadnezzar is called God's servant. And it was about this time that Nebuchadnezzar had the vision of the great statue in Daniel 2.

Jeremiah 27:8  And it shall come to pass, that the nation and kingdom which will not serve the same Nebuchadnezzar the king of Babylon, and that will not put their neck under the yoke of the king of Babylon,that nation will I punish, saith the LORD, with the sword, and with the famine, and with the pestilence, until I have consumed them by his hand.

9  Therefore hearken not ye to your prophets, nor to your diviners, nor to your dreamers, nor to your enchanters, nor to your sorcerers, which speak unto you, saying, Ye shall not serve the king of Babylon:
10  For they prophesy a lie unto you, to remove you far from your land; and that I should drive you out, and ye should perish.
11  But the nations that bring their neck under the yoke of the king of Babylon, and serve him, those will I let remain still in their own land, saith the LORD; and they shall till it, and dwell therein.

The word of the prophets tell the kings to not listen to the dreamers, soothsayers, diviners, sorcerers....and shall not serve the king of Babylon because it's a lie.
9  Therefore hearken not ye to your prophets, nor to your diviners, nor to your dreamers, nor to your enchanters, nor to your sorcerers, which speak unto you, saying, Ye shall not serve the king of Babylon:
10  For they prophesy a lie unto you, to remove you far from your land; and that I should drive you out, and ye should perish.
When Israel lost it's power and sovereignty, false prophets came and tried who to confuse people. They would predict events that may or may not pass.

Jeremiah tells the people and the priest to not listen to the words of the prophets for they are lies.
Jeremiah 27:16  Also I spake to the priests and to all this people, saying, Thus saith the LORD; Hearken not to the words of your prophets that prophesy unto you, saying, Behold, the vessels of the LORD'S house shall now shortly be brought again from Babylon: for they prophesy a lie unto you.

In chapter 28 we have a clear picture and power of one of these false prophets named Hananiah. In the first 4 verses you get a direct challenge of this false prophet (Hananiah) against Jeremiah. This is a false prophecy of Hananiah. The one you fell for by not reading chapter 26-27.

This is the false prophecy of Hananiah!

Jeremiah 28:1  ¶And it came to pass the same year, in the beginning of the reign of Zedekiah king of Judah, in the fourth year, and in the fifth month, that Hananiah the son of Azur the prophet, which was of Gibeon, spake unto me in the house of the LORD, in the presence of the priests and of all the people, saying,
2  Thus speaketh the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel, saying, I have broken the yoke of the king of Babylon.
3  Within two full years will I bring again into this place all the vessels of the LORD'S house, that Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon took away from this place, and carried them to Babylon:
4  And I will bring again to this place Jeconiah the son of Jehoiakim king of Judah, with all the captives of Judah, that went into Babylon, saith the LORD: for I will break the yoke of the king of Babylon.

He say's that God will break the yoke of the king of Babylon within 2 years. That's what the people wanted to hear! Hananiah used the same type of words as Jeremiah and both claiming "Thus saith the Lord." They both claimed they spoke by the power of God. The prophets Jeremiah and Hananiah had contradictory messages. Jeremiah said the captivity would last for 70 years. Hananiah said the Jews would be in Babylon for 2 years.

What does Jeremiah say? He wishes it were true!
Jeremiah 28:6  Even the prophet Jeremiah said, Amen: the LORD do so: the LORD perform thy words which thou hast prophesied, to bring again the vessels of the LORD'S house, and all that is carried away captive, from Babylon into this place.
7  Nevertheless hear thou now this word that I speak in thine ears, and in the ears of all the people;

Jeremiah reminds them what a true prophet is. The one whose prophecy comes true is the true prophet of God.

8  The prophets that have been before me and before thee of old prophesied both against many countries, and against great kingdoms, of war, and of evil, and of pestilence.
9  The prophet which prophesieth of peace, when the word of the prophet shall come to pass, then shall the prophet be known, that the LORD hath truly sent him.
Now Veteran this is where you really need to pay attention.
10  ¶Then Hananiah the prophet took the yoke from off the prophet Jeremiah's neck, and brake it.
11  And Hananiah spake in the presence of all the people, saying, Thus saith the LORD; Even so will I break the yoke of Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon from the neck of all nations within the space of two full years. And the prophet Jeremiah went his way.

Hananiah took the wooden yoke from Jeremiah's neck and broke it saying "this is what God will do with the yoke of Babylon and He will break it within 2 years." Jeremiah just leaves and doesn't confront the matter.

This is where you have to pay attention!

12  Then the word of the LORD came unto Jeremiah the prophet, after that Hananiah the prophet had broken the yoke from off the neck of the prophet Jeremiah, saying,
13  Go and tell Hananiah, saying, Thus saith the LORD; Thou hast broken the yokes of wood; but thou shalt make for them yokes of iron.
14  For thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; I have put a yoke of iron upon the neck of all these nations, that they may serve Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon; and they shall serve him: and I have given him the beasts of the field also.
15  Then said the prophet Jeremiah unto Hananiah the prophet, Hear now, Hananiah; The LORD hath not sent thee; but thou makest this people to trust in a lie.
16  Therefore thus saith the LORD; Behold, I will cast thee from off the face of the earth: this year thou shalt die, because thou hast taught rebellion against the LORD.
17  So Hananiah the prophet died the same year in the seventh month.

The bottom line.....
Maybe you should study before you speak!
 

Yes, you're right about Hananiah. I admit I was wrong on that, after having remembered.

But you're still wrong about assigning the final role of the symbolic Assyrian to Saddam Hussein who is no more, when the time of the future false messiah has not come yet. All Saddam can serve as is a blueprint type for the Assyrian, and not the final one which God has reserved Tophet for.
 

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Yes, you're right about Hananiah. I admit I was wrong on that, after having remembered.

But you're still wrong about assigning the final role of the symbolic Assyrian to Saddam Hussein who is no more, when the time of the future false messiah has not come yet. All Saddam can serve as is a blueprint type for the Assyrian, and not the final one which God has reserved Tophet for.


I might be wrong about Saddam. I might not! I'm not wrong about the Assyrian anti-christ who is also called the king of Babylon whose yoke is broken at the time of Jacob's trouble!
 

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I might be wrong about Saddam. I might not! I'm not wrong about the Assyrian anti-christ who is also called the king of Babylon whose yoke is broken at the time of Jacob's trouble!

I realize the Assyria blueprint for the end, and how it serves as a type for the endtime false messiah. But there's a limit to the revealing in that which the OT prophets covered. The New Testament prophecies have to be included, with both pointing back and forth to each other.

What do you think the full blueprint example is that Saddam served? He served as an example of the end, like a cycle. This is why it's important to understand what God said about His anointed Cyrus in dealing with Babylon. God used Cyrus, a Gentile king of the nations, to conquer Babylon. And who ended Saddam's reign and attempt to rebuild the geographical city of Babylon in Iraq? Gentile nations. When Saddam was captured, found hiding in a hole in the ground, he had been living in the wild, a pattern like what happened to Nebuchadnezzar.

All that... served as yet another 'type' for the historical Babylon. But the final... version... is about Christ The Anointed, Messiah, coming in final to defeat the end time kingdom of Babylon, to free God's people and Jerusalem from a 7 years time of captivity, instead of a 70 years captivity like historical Babylon. That time for Jerusalem going into captivity, like of old, by the final king of Babylon, is not here yet today. Saddam did not take control of Jerusalem. For it to follow the historical blueprint, all of today's Jerusalem and the state of Israel must go into a type of captivity for the end.
 

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Regardless if you believe in a global dictator or a limited 10 nation Empire as I do, government supremacy and state worship will be established in the anti-christ kingdom.

The first account we have in the bible of 'state worship' was in Daniel 3 by Nebuchadnezzar. He was proud of the mighty empire he had built.
Daniel 4:30  The king spake, and said, Is not this great Babylon, that I have built for the house of the kingdom by the might of my power, and for the honour of my majesty?

The state became a god in his eyes. In honor of his greatness and all that he had done, Nebuchadnezzar set up a great golden image and commanded all people to bow before it under penalty of death. The image was not of any local deity but represented the state itself. The man of sin will also brag about his greatness and so did Saddam.

A close look at the wording of Jeremiah 25 (it is worded like this in Isaiah also) It's interesting that both prophets say, "and when the seventy years are accomplished". It is a fact that the Jewish nation was held captive for 66 1/2 years and not seventy years. Most scholars agree with this but some just can't imagine that God through the prophets would make a mistake in the duration of the 70 year captivity. Since they believe the bible to be 100% correct and God to be infallible, they have concluded that the historical evidence must be incorrect and have changed the dates to fit the 70 years. Atheist Kyle Williams has also used this isssue to debunk the bible because the captivity did not last seventy years and history proves that it did not.

I think it's simply a matter of the prophecy not yet being fully "fulfilled".
Revelation 13:3 describes him seemingly coming back from the dead. The text does not indicate that he actually died, but suggests that the whole world thinks he's dead, then he suddenly reappears.
I think this is Saddam. Look at the similarities between Saddam and Daniel 11:21-28

Why Saddam? He idolized Nebuchadnezzar.
He believed that he was the "reincarnation of Nebuchadnezzar." and "the god of rebirth and resurrection," and, "I don't believe we got the right Saddam!"
I just cannot believe that the real Saddam would be found in a hole in the ground with the money he had! When his wife visited him in prison she said she didn't recognize him and that it didn't look like him. Saddam had lots of time to get out of town. They had Kadaffi's compound surrounded and they can't find him!
Compare the verses in Daniel 11:21-28. They line up with Saddam's career. These verses describe a despicable tyrant who comes to power through intrigue (not royalty). A large army is wiped away before him (in Saddam's case, it was Iran's army during the Iran/Iraq war in the 80s.) The tyrant king of Babylon then invades the richest provinces when they are secure and he will loot and plunder them (in Saddam's case, his invasion of Kuwait.) This invasion will not ultimately be successful, because a large coalition from the south will come up against him and his army will be defeated (i.e. Dessert Storm). Nevertheless, the king of Babylon "will return to his own country with great wealth" (Saddam stole $45 billion in assets from Kuwait) and he "will take action against" the holy covenant, (in this case, Saddam sent scud missiles against Israel).

Another clue: Saddam's name in the Persian dialect means "destroyer". In Revelation 9:1-11, we read about some evil creatures emerging from an underground Abyss. Their king is called Destroyer: Abaddon in Hebrew, Apollyon in Greek, or "Saddam" in Persian. It's a known fact that Saddam had scientists messing around with UFO technology and DNA manipulation and cloning.

So what happens when Saddam returns? According to Daniel 11:31, "His armed forces will rise up to desecrate the temple fortress and will abolish the daily sacrifice. Then they will set up the abomination that causes desolation."

The abomination is the sign Jesus spoke of in Matthew 24, as the beginning of the great tribulation of the end times. The counsel from Jesus is that all those who live in Judea should run for the hills immediately. The remnant of Israel will need to escape from an invasion of Israel by the Arabs and Islamics, led by the king of Babylon. Jerusalem will be overtaken for a period of 3 1/2 years.

The remnant will be taken on "the two wings of a great eagle" (Revelation 12:14) that will take them to a place that is out of the reach of the dragon's kingdom. I believe a remnant of Israel will be evacuated from Israel by the United States (the great eagle) and brought to safety in America. I believe this is America's prophetic destiny, to protect the remnant of Israel for "a time, times and half a time" (3 1/2 years, Revelation 12:14).

Oh, by the way, that wasn't the real Saddam who was captured and put on trial. That was one of his doubles, who was basically in kahoots with his captors. And don't tell me the DNA matched what they had on file for Saddam. Do you think the real Saddam would have given a blood sample to the U.S. army to keep on file?

Habakkuk 1:5 is quoted by the Apostle Paul in Acts 13:40-41 as a future event, which happens as a result of Israel refusing to believe the Gospel message of Christ.

Paul says "Take care that what the prophets have said does not happen to you."

What does Habakkuk 1 say:

"Look at the nations and watch and be utterly amazed. For I am going to do something in your days that you would not believe, even if you were told. I am raising up the Babylonians, that ruthless and impetuous people, who sweep across the whole earth to seize dwelling places not their own. They are a feared and dreaded people, they are a law to themselves..."

This tells us that God is allowing Babylon in the time of the apocalypse to rise up as a judgment force against Israel. Babylon is an outlaw, terrorist force whose "hordes advance like a desert wind."
 

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It should be no surprise that many prefer inferences, analogies, similies, etc., to justify their doctrines, -- versus using the pain text. Where Scripture clearly defines FIVE world empires (Daniel 2:45), and Daniel 7 delineates the "divided" fifth empire, history also substantiates that provision, but imaginations are not constrained by fact. And all you have to do is listen to Obama's open mouth to realize that this is a common occurrence.

But what fun is TRUTH when fables are so much more exciting.


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Saddam Hussein and the Paranormal
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By Stephen Wagner, About.com Guide
Saddam Hussein has been captured alive in Iraq. That will come as no surprise to many Iraqis who believe (perhaps not as strongly as they once did) that he never will die - because they believe Saddam is immortal.
As often happens with figures prominent in the news - especially figures as notorious as Saddam Hussein - stories, legends and rumors of a paranormal nature tend to surface. With regard to Saddam, some say he possesses mystical, super-human powers, that he is the reincarnation of a great ancient king, (Nebuchadnezzar) that he bio-engineered giant scorpions, and that was tinkering with alien UFO technology and even sheltered extraterrestrials.

Saddam and Nebuchadnezzar
Saddam believes he is the literal reincarnation of King Nebuchadnezzar II, according to "investigative mythologist" William Henry and others. Nebuchadnezzar II is considered by historians to have been one of the greatest kings of ancient Babylon (now Iraq), who ruled that land from 605 to 562 BC. Credited with building the legendary Hanging Gardens of Babylon, one of the Seven Wonders of the Ancient World, Nebuchadnezzar created an era of prosperity for Babylon, undertaking great construction projects, including temples, shrines, fortification walls and pyramids, and making Babylon the most powerful nation in the world. Saddam saw himself in the same role. "Saddam is saying he is the reincarnated Nebuchadnezzar," writes Henry in Saddam Hussein, the Stairway to Heaven and the Return of Planet X. "He is attempting to recreate and outdo the feats of the biblical king."

Although some researchers say Saddam only considers himself the latest in a line of great kings, in the tradition of Nebuchadnezzar, Henry contends there is evidence Saddam promoted himself as the actual reincarnated king:
"It is well known that Iraqi President Saddam Hussein has connected himself with Nebuchadnezzar, spending over $500 million during the 1980s on the reconstruction and the re-establishment of ancient Babylon, the capitol of Nebuchadnezzar. Over sixty million bricks have been made to place in the walls of Babylon, each engraved with the inscription 'To King Nebuchadnezzar in the reign of Saddam Hussein.'

"Saddam and Planet X"
William Henry also believes there is a connection between Saddam and Planet X, the alleged "12th Planet." This phantom planet, Nibiru, maintains Zecharia Sitchin in his many books on the subject, was the home of the Elohim - the gods of antiquity and Genesis - who created humanity through genetic manipulation.

"Saddam controls an asset infinitely more important and powerful than oil, or even, nuclear weapons," writes Henry. "He controls access to the temples that housed the history [of] humanity's origins, and potentially, the secrets of stargates. Buried deep beneath the sands of Iraq are the secrets of the Shining Ones of Planet X. Saddam's actions reveal that he knows the political value of these secrets."
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Saddam and UFO's.

His bizarre connections to immortality, UFOs and Planet X
By Stephen Wagner, About.com Guide

The war in Iraq isn't about Iraqi freedom, eliminating weapons of mass destruction or even oil, say some UFO researchers. It's because Saddam possessed alien technology from a crashed UFO, and the U.S. didn't want him to have it.
It's a wild accusation that has its roots, perhaps, in a 1998 article that appeared in Joseph Trainor's UFO Roundup: "On Thursday, December 16, 1998, at 2:31 a.m. local time, 'a triangle-shaped pattern of lights' appeared over downtown Baghdad and was picked up by CNN's night-vision video camera. The lights hovered in position and moved slowly to the right, as Iraqi anti-aircraft tracer fire streaked away into the night." It was described as "a V-shaped formation like the one at Phoenix," Arizona on March 13, 1997.
Some UFO followers believe that flying saucer crashed in Iraq. "Top American secret agents have been worried since then that Iraqi president Saddam would break it down to find out how to build his own spaceship and weapons, they claim," said a New Zealand web article.
Then a story surfaced that an American F-16 had shot down a UFO over Saudi Arabia sometime during the 1990-91 Operation Desert Storm. The convoluted, mixed-up story says that the downed alien craft was recovered by the U.S. military and flown to the U.S., but that no alien bodies were found. The connection to Saddam is that the UFO was allegedly heading toward Baghdad when it was shot down. This, supposedly, bolstered the rumor that Saddam played host to extraterrestrials.
An Arab reporter named Mohammed Daud al-Hayyat is quoted as saying, "There are talks about extraterrestrials in Iraq... It is rumored at a market in Sulaimaniya, to the south of Zarzi, that aliens are Saddam's guests."
And another reporter, Mohammed Hajj al-Amdar, said, "Saddam gave the aliens sanctuary, so that they couldn't be captured by Americans. They say that the aliens created 'watchdogs' for Saddam. The aliens took ordinary desert scorpions and used their bio-engineering to grow the scorpions to giant size. Scorpions of a cow-size! They are wonderful watchdogs: they blend in with the desert, swiftly and silently move on their warm-blooded prey for a decisive attack. Luckless intruders hear just some strange sound from behind stones, then a pincer crushes their necks, another pincer crushes their legs; then the victims is slammed to the ground and beaten with a barbed tail six or seven times. Death comes almost immediately."
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Saddam, the Immortal
According to an interesting article by Sudarsan Raghavan for Mercury News, many Iraqis believe that Saddam Hussein cannot be killed. It is a belief that has been reinforced by his uncanny ability to survive whatever bombs we drop on him. He survived (or was allowed to survive, depending on who you listen to) the first Gulf War, slipping through George Bush Sr.'s grip and remaining in power. Then he managed to evade the heavy bombs dropped in the early days of this "War for Iraqi Freedom" when coalition forces had reliable intelligence that he was meeting with his cabinet in a certain government building. Even now that he has been captured, many Iraqis remain convinced that Saddam is immortal.
What gives him this mystical power? A magic blue stone.
Saddam had this magic stone made, so the story goes, by his favorite fortuneteller not long after he came to power 24 years ago. To be sure the stone was effective, it was tested first with a chicken. The stone was somehow placed inside the chicken, then a soldier fired at it at point-blank range. All of its feathers were blown off, but the protected chicken survived. So Saddam had the magic stone implanted in the upper section of one of his arms, protecting him from any assault, including bullets and bombs.
"That belief," writes Raghaven in the article, "common throughout Iraq, presents uncommon challenges for U.S. and British forces as they try to persuade Iraqis that Saddam is gone and will not return. Without a body to display, it may be impossible to overcome the mythical creation of a propaganda apparatus that was bent on showing he was a worthy heir to a long line of Babylonian kings."

An Iraqi army deserter named Adnan Mohammad Yousef told Raghaven that Saddam has seven lives and cannot die. He illustrated that belief with a story about an attempted assassination of Saddam by one of his Republican Guard. When the soldier pointed the gun at the dictator and pulled the trigger, it jammed. Saddam then allegedly grabbed the gun, pointed it at the soldier, saying, "This is how you do it," and shot him dead.
His capture has shown that Saddam has once again escaped death - magic blue stone or not.
What are we to make of these somewhat comical tales of Saddam and the paranormal? At best they should be taken with a Gibralter-sized grain of salt or, at the least, extreme skepticism, if considered at all. They are undoubtedly examples of how government propaganda machines can use paranormal themes and superstition to instill fear, maintain control and further a cause.
 

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It's not a mystery, -- many people have come back from the dead. Take for example the recurring sighting of Elvis. And when I was a kid, I saw Lincoln in a theater on Disneyland Main Street. And recently I was watching a movie with Wyatt Earp in it. But most convincing of all, I understand that in Branson, AK, Jesus is crucified ~twice~ daily.

So is it any surprise that Saddam Hussein should come back to life?



I wonder who's playing him.

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Regardless if you believe in a global dictator or a limited 10 nation Empire as I do, government supremacy and state worship will be established in the anti-christ kingdom.

The first account we have in the bible of 'state worship' was in Daniel 3 by Nebuchadnezzar. He was proud of the mighty empire he had built.
Daniel 4:30  The king spake, and said, Is not this great Babylon, that I have built for the house of the kingdom by the might of my power, and for the honour of my majesty?

The state became a god in his eyes. In honor of his greatness and all that he had done, Nebuchadnezzar set up a great golden image and commanded all people to bow before it under penalty of death. The image was not of any local deity but represented the state itself. The man of sin will also brag about his greatness and so did Saddam.

A close look at the wording of Jeremiah 25 (it is worded like this in Isaiah also) It's interesting that both prophets say, "and when the seventy years are accomplished". It is a fact that the Jewish nation was held captive for 66 1/2 years and not seventy years. Most scholars agree with this but some just can't imagine that God through the prophets would make a mistake in the duration of the 70 year captivity. Since they believe the bible to be 100% correct and God to be infallible, they have concluded that the historical evidence must be incorrect and have changed the dates to fit the 70 years. Atheist Kyle Williams has also used this isssue to debunk the bible because the captivity did not last seventy years and history proves that it did not.

I think it's simply a matter of the prophecy not yet being fully "fulfilled".
Revelation 13:3 describes him seemingly coming back from the dead. The text does not indicate that he actually died, but suggests that the whole world thinks he's dead, then he suddenly reappears.
I think this is Saddam. Look at the similarities between Saddam and Daniel 11:21-28

Why Saddam? He idolized Nebuchadnezzar.
He believed that he was the "reincarnation of Nebuchadnezzar." and "the god of rebirth and resurrection," and, "I don't believe we got the right Saddam!"
I just cannot believe that the real Saddam would be found in a hole in the ground with the money he had! When his wife visited him in prison she said she didn't recognize him and that it didn't look like him. Saddam had lots of time to get out of town. They had Kadaffi's compound surrounded and they can't find him!
Compare the verses in Daniel 11:21-28. They line up with Saddam's career. These verses describe a despicable tyrant who comes to power through intrigue (not royalty). A large army is wiped away before him (in Saddam's case, it was Iran's army during the Iran/Iraq war in the 80s.) The tyrant king of Babylon then invades the richest provinces when they are secure and he will loot and plunder them (in Saddam's case, his invasion of Kuwait.) This invasion will not ultimately be successful, because a large coalition from the south will come up against him and his army will be defeated (i.e. Dessert Storm). Nevertheless, the king of Babylon "will return to his own country with great wealth" (Saddam stole $45 billion in assets from Kuwait) and he "will take action against" the holy covenant, (in this case, Saddam sent scud missiles against Israel).

Another clue: Saddam's name in the Persian dialect means "destroyer". In Revelation 9:1-11, we read about some evil creatures emerging from an underground Abyss. Their king is called Destroyer: Abaddon in Hebrew, Apollyon in Greek, or "Saddam" in Persian. It's a known fact that Saddam had scientists messing around with UFO technology and DNA manipulation and cloning.

So what happens when Saddam returns? According to Daniel 11:31, "His armed forces will rise up to desecrate the temple fortress and will abolish the daily sacrifice. Then they will set up the abomination that causes desolation."

The abomination is the sign Jesus spoke of in Matthew 24, as the beginning of the great tribulation of the end times. The counsel from Jesus is that all those who live in Judea should run for the hills immediately. The remnant of Israel will need to escape from an invasion of Israel by the Arabs and Islamics, led by the king of Babylon. Jerusalem will be overtaken for a period of 3 1/2 years.

The remnant will be taken on "the two wings of a great eagle" (Revelation 12:14) that will take them to a place that is out of the reach of the dragon's kingdom. I believe a remnant of Israel will be evacuated from Israel by the United States (the great eagle) and brought to safety in America. I believe this is America's prophetic destiny, to protect the remnant of Israel for "a time, times and half a time" (3 1/2 years, Revelation 12:14).

Oh, by the way, that wasn't the real Saddam who was captured and put on trial. That was one of his doubles, who was basically in kahoots with his captors. And don't tell me the DNA matched what they had on file for Saddam. Do you think the real Saddam would have given a blood sample to the U.S. army to keep on file?

Habakkuk 1:5 is quoted by the Apostle Paul in Acts 13:40-41 as a future event, which happens as a result of Israel refusing to believe the Gospel message of Christ.

Paul says "Take care that what the prophets have said does not happen to you."

What does Habakkuk 1 say:

"Look at the nations and watch and be utterly amazed. For I am going to do something in your days that you would not believe, even if you were told. I am raising up the Babylonians, that ruthless and impetuous people, who sweep across the whole earth to seize dwelling places not their own. They are a feared and dreaded people, they are a law to themselves..."

This tells us that God is allowing Babylon in the time of the apocalypse to rise up as a judgment force against Israel. Babylon is an outlaw, terrorist force whose "hordes advance like a desert wind."

Next thing you'll be saying is that Saddam was actually an ALIEN FROM OUTER SPACE!!
 

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I visited with dmcgee in 2002. He can explain better than I can.

Death of Saddam
December 30th, 2006 ºdmcgee77
We saw this coming, but what surprised me was the timing of Saddam’s execution. It happened at dawn at the beginning of Eid al-Adha, the Muslim Feast of Sacrifice. The symbolic implications are enormous.
This feast points to the time of Abraham, and to the sacrifice he was willing to make of his son, Isaac (according to the Bible) or to Ishmael (according to Muslim tradition). God did not allow Abraham to carry out the sacrifice, but instead provided a ram for him to sacrifice as an offering. The event foreshadows the death of Jesus, the son of God.
Tradition tells us the mountain Abraham climbed to carry out the sacrifice was Mount Moriah in Jerusalem, the site of the Temple Mount. This site is sacred to Christian, Jewish and Muslim religions. It is also a significant site in Bible prophecy, the place where the abomination that causes desolations takes place.
That Saddam was executed at the dawn of Eid al-Adha makes him a sacrifice in the eyes of the Muslim world. How big a sacrifice remains to be seen. His last words before death were reported to be "Palestine is Arab" which basically has been his rally cry to the Arab world.
If you read my book, you’ll see that I have held to the belief that Saddam has fulfilled the verses in Daniel 11 leading upto the abomination. In verse 30, he is grieved by an invasion of ships from the west. Daniel then goes on to say he will return and vent his fury against the holy covenant, which is Israel. So the big question is, how can Saddam return, if he is dead.
There is no conclusive answer, but before we delve too much into conspiracy theories, we should acknowledge a verse in Revelation, which describes how the antichrist will overcome a fatal head wound. "One of the heads of the beast seemed to have had a fatal wound, but the fatal wound had been healed. The whole world was astonished and followed the beast." (Revelation 13:3)
Several translations emphasize that the antichrist’s head "seemed to have" or "looked like it had" or "as if it had" been fatally wounded. Following this, the whole world is astonished at his return. Apply this to Saddam, and you begin to see what I’m suggesting could soon happen.
I don’t believe for a moment that it was the real Saddam who was captured, stood trial or was executed. Just look at several features on his face: his teeth, his chin, his nose, the dark mark over his left eye. Compare with early pictures of Saddam. There are too many differences. If anything, the Saddam on trial was the show Saddam who met with heads of state, and sat in place of the real Saddam for any major event. He was a double.
Should the real Saddam return to power in Iraq, not only would it astonish the world, it would also fascinate the Muslim world in a messianic way. The man who was executed on the feast of Abraham’s sacrifice returns from death and then vents his anger against Israel.
You can read more here.....
http://www.timeisnear.com/blog/
 

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It's not a mystery, -- many people have come back from the dead. Take for example the recurring sighting of Elvis. And when I was a kid, I saw Lincoln in a theater on Disneyland Main Street. And recently I was watching a movie with Wyatt Earp in it. But most convincing of all, I understand that in Branson, AK, Jesus is crucified ~twice~ daily.

So is it any surprise that Saddam Hussein should come back to life?



I wonder who's playing him.

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Yeah, I even saw a bunch of Elvis' jumping out of an airplane in a movie a while back with Nicolaus Cage!

Saddam is NOT coming back. If he did, that would be more like 'reincarnation' than raised from the dead.
 

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Yeah, I even saw a bunch of Elvis' jumping out of an airplane in a movie a while back with Nicolaus Cage!

Saddam is NOT coming back. If he did, that would be more like 'reincarnation' than raised from the dead.

If Saddam does come back. My guess is that you would make an idiot of yourself and be in denial of it anyway.

By the way. Do you need any more examples of how the word all is used in scripture? If you're still in denial of that, there are several hundred other verses that debunk your globalist theory!
 

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Look at this link. The real Saddam is on the left. The one that was executed is on the right.

http://saddamisalive...07/01/teeth.jpg

I don't believe that the real Saddam would have crooked teeth and be found in a hole in the ground with the money he had!

http://www.rense.com...al65/double.htm


From CNN World News, Dec.15, 2003

"Across the Tigris River from his opulent palaces, Saddam Hussein shuttered himself at the bottom of a narrow, dark hole beneath a two-room mud shack on a sheep farm, a U.S. military official said Sunday.

Having opted not to travel with security forces or an entourage that might bring attention to him, only a Styrofoam square, dirt and a rug separated the deposed Iraqi leader from the U.S. soldiers who routed him from his hiding place Saturday night.

"He was in the bottom of a hole with no way to fight back," said Maj. Gen. Raymond Odierno. "He was caught like a rat."

If Saddam does come back. My guess is that you would make an idiot of yourself and be in denial of it anyway.

By the way. Do you need any more examples of how the word all is used in scripture? If you're still in denial of that, there are several hundred other verses that debunk your globalist theory!


You've obviously hung around too many hippies during the Vietnam era doing too much of that stuff they do. The hippies loved ideas like reincarnation and eastern religious practices like meditation too!!