This really grabbed me today!

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Not everyone believes God is "almighty". Or if they proclaim God is almighty, there is still a limit to His power and what He is capable of doing. I guess this all depends on one's faith in God.
If God is "perfect in all His ways", and He requires perfection, nothing less...how can He NOT be almighty? What is it you think God cannot do? I'd say the only things He "can't" do is go against His own nature because that would make Him a liar. And we KNOW He is no liar. Since a child, I've always believed in His being all powerful and that hasn't changed.
JMHO :)
 

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does seem logically impossible huh
Aye, but then people do so often, it seems to me, to want to live for God by logic alone. Should one logically study the written Bible and thus become a perfect overcoming follower of Christ?

"Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God;
Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?" II Cor 3:5-8

"For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.
For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts." Isaiah 55:8-9

"But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him." Heb 11:6
 

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Should one logically study the written Bible and thus become a perfect overcoming follower of Christ?
ha well ive found logic and Bible study are usually at odds, and it seems we have a different definition of “perfect” too? So i take the passage to mean that we really dont know either of those entities as well as we might like to think
 
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I find it ludicrous when someone asks "HOW" God can do something. Is there anything He cannot do?
He cannot DENY HIMSELF . That is the one thing GOD cannot do . He cannot deny HIS TRUTH , HIS WORD , HIMSELF .
Many are gonna wail on the day of the LORD cause they ran to the wrong all inclusive love god which WASNT LOVE AND IT WASNT GOD EITHER .
 

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ha well ive found logic and Bible study are usually at odds, and it seems we have a different definition of “perfect” too? So i take the passage to mean that we really dont know either of those entities as well as we might like to think
Do you suppose that God will always side with the one men declare to be the "winner" of a debate or argument?
 
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"For unto which of the angels said God at any time, “Thou art My Son; this day have I begotten Thee”? And again, “I will be to Him a Father, and He shall be to Me a Son”? Heb. 1:5
Read the whole chapter for context.
The verses before that one are interesting.....
“The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact expression of His nature, sustaining all things by His powerful word. After making purification for sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high. So He became higher in rank than the angels, just as the name He inherited is superior to theirs.” (Hebrews 1:3-4 -HCSB)
What an odd thing to say about “God”....

Cherubim, Seraphim, Archangels are STILL ANGELS o_O
There is only one Archangel.....Michael. All spirit beings in heaven are angels with the exception of God himself. All are “servants” of their Creator...even Jesus (Acts 4:27)

Some have specific roles like Cherubs and Seraphs, but Jesus is a creation of his Father by his own admission. (Revelation 3:14) He has many roles and many names.
He can be Michael in this role because he is not God.
 

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Isaiah 9.:6 ( context 4-7 )
V6. For unto us a child is born, unto us a SON is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, THE MIGHTY GOD, the everlasting FATHER, the prince of peace.
This was the prophesied promise made to the Jews that God would break the yoke and rod of the oppressor. This was their victory of promise, but they refused to acknowledgem him as their Messiah.

In perusing scriptures, I can see why many DO NOT believe in God the Father, God the Son,Jesus, and God the Holy Spirit, especially those of whom have ONLY been taught by man and NOT the Spirit, whom is OUR teacher.

However to deny his deity is a first step of being cast out and denied by Jesus to the Father !
Ep.2:13 ( context 11-14 )
But NOW in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes FAR OFF are made NIGH BY THE BLOOD OF CHRIST. How can one state they follow Jesus and deny he is God, for it is BY HIS BLOOD WE ARE SAVED. It is the divine deity of Jesus that makes His blood able to bring us before God.

Col.3:1 ( context 1/2 )
If ye being risen WITH CHRIST, seek those things which are ABOVE, WHERE CHRIST SITTETH ON THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD.
Why would Jesus be seated at the right of of God if he was merely God's son ?
The right hand in any kingdom represents the power and authority of the King. If that is exercised then that makes one the same as a king. Jesus seated on God's right hand give him authority as God .

I will leave it for the Catholics, the SDA, and the Jehovah's Witness to argue, as well as any others whom deny Christ is God.

I am an SDA, and I believe Christ is God.

Let's take it from the top, boys:

4. God the Son (Jesus Christ)
God the eternal Son became incarnate in Jesus Christ. Through Him all things were created, the character of God is revealed, the salvation of humanity is accomplished, and the world is judged.

Forever truly God, He became also truly human, Jesus the Christ. He was conceived of the Holy Spirit and born of the virgin Mary. He lived and experienced temptation as a human being, but perfectly exemplified the righteousness and love of God.

By His miracles He manifested God’s power and was attested as God’s promised Messiah. He suffered and died voluntarily on the cross for our sins and in our place, was raised from the dead, and ascended to heaven to minister in the heavenly sanctuary on our behalf.

He will come again in glory for the final deliverance of His people and the restoration of all things.

(Isa. 53:4-6; Dan. 9:25-27; Luke 1:35; John 1:1-3, 14; 5:22; 10:30; 14:1–3, 9, 13; Rom. 6:23; 1 Cor. 15:3, 4; 2 Cor. 3:18; 5:17-19; Phil. 2:5–11; Col. 1:15-19; Heb. 2:9-18; 8:1, 2.)

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I am an SDA, and I believe Christ is God.

Let's take it from the top, boys:

4. God the Son (Jesus Christ)
God the eternal Son became incarnate in Jesus Christ. Through Him all things were created, the character of God is revealed, the salvation of humanity is accomplished, and the world is judged.

Forever truly God, He became also truly human, Jesus the Christ. He was conceived of the Holy Spirit and born of the virgin Mary. He lived and experienced temptation as a human being, but perfectly exemplified the righteousness and love of God.

By His miracles He manifested God’s power and was attested as God’s promised Messiah. He suffered and died voluntarily on the cross for our sins and in our place, was raised from the dead, and ascended to heaven to minister in the heavenly sanctuary on our behalf.

He will come again in glory for the final deliverance of His people and the restoration of all things.

(Isa. 53:4-6; Dan. 9:25-27; Luke 1:35; John 1:1-3, 14; 5:22; 10:30; 14:1–3, 9, 13; Rom. 6:23; 1 Cor. 15:3, 4; 2 Cor. 3:18; 5:17-19; Phil. 2:5–11; Col. 1:15-19; Heb. 2:9-18; 8:1, 2.)

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I'm sorry if I offended you. I have talked with many in SDA & JW that believe Jesus was the created archangel Michael and not God himself.
I also question their allegiance to the word of God opposed to E Whites writings.
 

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I am an SDA, and I believe Christ is God.

Let's take it from the top, boys:

4. God the Son (Jesus Christ)
God the eternal Son became incarnate in Jesus Christ. Through Him all things were created, the character of God is revealed, the salvation of humanity is accomplished, and the world is judged.

Forever truly God, He became also truly human, Jesus the Christ. He was conceived of the Holy Spirit and born of the virgin Mary. He lived and experienced temptation as a human being, but perfectly exemplified the righteousness and love of God.

By His miracles He manifested God’s power and was attested as God’s promised Messiah. He suffered and died voluntarily on the cross for our sins and in our place, was raised from the dead, and ascended to heaven to minister in the heavenly sanctuary on our behalf.

He will come again in glory for the final deliverance of His people and the restoration of all things.

(Isa. 53:4-6; Dan. 9:25-27; Luke 1:35; John 1:1-3, 14; 5:22; 10:30; 14:1–3, 9, 13; Rom. 6:23; 1 Cor. 15:3, 4; 2 Cor. 3:18; 5:17-19; Phil. 2:5–11; Col. 1:15-19; Heb. 2:9-18; 8:1, 2.)

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I read your creeds and I'm sure I could worship with you for the most part,Sister.
I have issues with #18 /#24. 18 puts Ellen White as the author of your church. 24 stipulates a date 1844 of which there is zero reason except this places E White in the position of high priestess, and the authority of your church beliefs.

The dietary rules are also under her perview..

Worshipping on the 6th day of the calender means nothing to me. I believe we are to ESTEEM all of our time to worship, study, and prayer. It isn't an issue for me and I do NOT engage in those arguments.

I believe God, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit go where they are welcomed and will use any that submit and are obedient. Therefore I cannot see hearts and none are mine to judge.
Your church and creed is NOT the same for all SDA, and i will refrain from besmurching the name.

May your storehouse be full and overflowing for God shares his riches with his childre.
 

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Isn't this why we need to know what the whole Bible teaches about the nature of God and his relationship with his son?

There is not one single clear and unequivocal statement from either God or his Christ that they share a "godhead".
Aunty Jane needs to study


Cognate with Theos , there are three other words to be noted :
1. Theotes , rendered "Deity", and used of Christ. Occurs only in Col_2:9, and has relation to the Godhead personally ; while
2. Theiotes , rendered "Deity" also, is Deity in the abstract . Occurs only in Rom_1:20.
3. Theios , rendered "Divine", and is used of Christ. Occurs only in 2Pe_1:3; 2Pe_1:4; and, with the Article, in Act_17:29, where it is rendered "Godhead". Gr. = that which [is] Divine.
θειότης
theiotēs
1x: divinity, deity, godhead, divine majesty, Rom_1:20.
J.
 

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I haven't just picked one nor did I say the other is untrue. Please don't put words in my mouth. If anything you are the one picking one with certainty.
I'll repeat myself.

My opinion is what I think is most probable and I admit I could be wrong cos i don't understand how Jesus can also be God.

Do you admit you could be wrong?
Or are your certain of yourself even though your reasoning makes no sense and there is scripture opposing it?
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Joh 1:4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
Joh 1:5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

How do you read?

Who is WITH whom?

J.
 

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Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
J.

Do you reckon John knew Jesus' name? I mean he knew Jesus right? Why not say in the beginning was Jesus? Why use Logos? Just maybe you need to think more about that Johann?
 
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Do you reckon John knew Jesus' name? I mean he knew Jesus right? Why not say in the beginning was Jesus? Why use Logos? Just maybe you need to think more about that Johann?
The Logos is the creative principle which orders the universe. I think John was saying exactly what he meant, and meant what exactly what he said.
 

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The Logos is the creative principle which orders the universe. I think John was saying exactly what he meant, and meant what exactly what he said.
Amen! IF only we could see ALL Of The Scriptures, eh? IF "John Really
Didn't Mean The WORD Was JESUS," then he should NEVER have been
"Inspired Of God" To pen v. 14, Same Chapter, Correct?:

"And The WORD Was Made Flesh, and Dwelt among us,
(and we beheld His Glory, The Glory as of The Only Begotten
Of The Father,) Full Of GRACE And TRUTH!"​

Love an AWESOME And TRUTHful Bible study, Don't you?

GRACE And Peace...
 

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The Logos is the creative principle which orders the universe. I think John was saying exactly what he meant, and meant what exactly what he said.
I agree. What the Logos became is the Spiritual creation in Christ Jesus which took place when he was raised from the dead. As the Scripture states "firstborn from the dead" and now "lives for evermore" - clearly this was not the case before Logos created/became the Christ. Of course logos is still the powerful expression of Yahweh who alone is God and Almighty...we shall never forget that fellow believers.
 
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Do you reckon John knew Jesus' name? I mean he knew Jesus right? Why not say in the beginning was Jesus? Why use Logos? Just maybe you need to think more about that Johann?
The word 'name' signifies character. It does not mean tom or dick or harry or Jesus for that matter. There are plenty, particularly in the Spanish speaking world who go by 'Jesus'
 

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There are so many gaps in Trinitarian dogma!

Why does “logos” mean “Jesus” instead of “logos“?
Why does John use this word instead of writing plainly that Jesus pre‐existed as God?
Which specific persons are present in verses John 1:1‐3, and how many are there? One? Two? Three?
Who is the “God” the logos “with”?

o_O
 
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Aunty Jane needs to study


Cognate with Theos , there are three other words to be noted :
1. Theotes , rendered "Deity", and used of Christ. Occurs only in Col_2:9, and has relation to the Godhead personally ; while
2. Theiotes , rendered "Deity" also, is Deity in the abstract . Occurs only in Rom_1:20.
3. Theios , rendered "Divine", and is used of Christ. Occurs only in 2Pe_1:3; 2Pe_1:4; and, with the Article, in Act_17:29, where it is rendered "Godhead". Gr. = that which [is] Divine.
θειότης
theiotēs
1x: divinity, deity, godhead, divine majesty, Rom_1:20.
J.
Please explain Johann....
John 10:31-36...
31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
(KJV)

Jesus said that Yahweh himself called the human judges in Israel “gods”....so those divinely appointed can also carry the designation “theos”. Who can say that Christ was not “divinely appointed”?
It means any god or goddess true or false, and is not a word exclusive to Yahweh.
Even satan is called “theos” in 2 Corinthians 4:4.

What did Jesus call himself? Did he say to his Jewish opposers, “yes you have it right, I am God”?

If the divine name was still in use, or if the Bible translators had retained the divine name in all the places where it was originally found, (like the ASV) John 1:1 would read very differently. It would say...
“In the beginning, was the Word and the Word was with Yahweh and the Word was divine”.

You seem to read right over the things that make it ridiculous....”in the beginning” means what? If Jesus was God then he is eternal like his Father and had no “beginning”. So what is this the “beginning” of? Revelation 3:14 says it is “the beginning God’s creation”, which Jesus here says is himself.
And if the “Logos” was “with” Yahweh, how can he at the same time, be Yahweh? And where is the third equal person in this trio? “He” is invariably missing when Yahweh and his son are mentioned, most notably in John 17:3...
3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.” (KJV) Don’t we need to know the Holy Spirit in order to gain eternal life?

As I said, there is not a single unequivocal statement from either Yahweh or his Son that they share any kind of equality or co-eternity. They always present themselves as two separate entities who are in complete unity with one another. One is said to be the “servant” of his “God”. One prays to the other and they can be in two locations at the same time......

One scripture Johann, from either one stating that they are both God equally with the Holy Spirit.....
Surely you can find one....?
 
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