The Pre-Trib Rapture

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Okay ,here's where the rubber meets the road

Mark 13:23 "But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things."

Where may I ask did Christ tell us about a rapture ?
 

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Scripture that says that?
Revelation 6:12-17

"And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?"

The fire of 2 Peter 3 happens here. Jesus comes with His angels here per the OD. All on earth see God on the GWT, and the Lamb now on earth, as all spiritual blindness has been removed. This is John's version of the OD. Except John sees the GWT as well, because all on earth at that moment can see it.
 

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Okay ,here's where the rubber meets the road

Mark 13:23 "But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things."

Where may I ask did Christ tell us about a rapture ?


Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Where did Christ speak of the 666?
 

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Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Where did Christ speak of the 666?

7th and last trump is that great sound.

Revelations , and I see where you going .
 

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There are MANY days of the Lord. A day of the Lord is a day when God does something important. There are many of them.

There is only ONE "day of the Lord" event, and it is set for the day of Christ's future coming on the FINAL DAY of this present world. It is covered with many examples in the Old Testament, but they all are about the same final day of this present world. This is why Apostles Paul and Peter both taught Christ's metaphor about the day of His future coming being "as a thief" (Revelation 16:15).

All those Old Testament Scriptures by the prophets about the "day of the Lord" are about that final day when Jesus comes.

And there is... to be a world-wide destruction on that "day of the Lord". Apostle Paul showed you that in 1 Thessalonians 5 when he said that when the deceived say, "Peace and safety", then "sudden destruction" will come upon them.

That destruction event is the consuming fire event Peter showed in 2 Peter 3:10. It is shown again at the end of Hebrews 12.

That 'destruction' on the day of Christ's coming is NOT the Great White Throne Judgment. So what's it for then?

This is why... brethren need to actually STUDY all their Bible instead of playing tiddly-winks with Scripture, because Apostle Paul especially revealed just what will happen on that final day with the "last trump" of 1 Corinthians 15. Paul said those alive on earth shall be 'changed' at the "twinkling of an eye" on that day. That is what God's consuming fire is going to do on that day, literally burn man's works off the surface of this earth. And He will also destroy the army out of northern quarters coming upon Jerusalem on that final day also.

But it's actually that consuming fire event on the day of Christ's coming that will usher all into the future world earth age to come, ending this present one of flesh. The heavenly dimension will then be revealed to everyone, right here on earth. That is how every eye will see Jesus as He is on that day.
 
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Revelation 6:12-17

"And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?"

The fire of 2 Peter 3 happens here. Jesus comes with His angels here per the OD. All on earth see God on the GWT, and the Lamb now on earth, as all spiritual blindness has been removed. This is John's version of the OD. Except John sees the GWT as well, because all on earth at that moment can see it.

The Son of man came to earth.
The Son of man shall return to earth.
Rev 6 is not the return of the Son of man.
Rev 6 is the Lambs Wrath sent down from Heaven.
 

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The Son of man came to earth.
The Son of man shall return to earth.
Rev 6 is not the return of the Son of man.
Rev 6 is the Lambs Wrath sent down from Heaven.

How would someone like you know, since you quote Jesus in Matthew 24:29-31 but won't heed it, and instead push the LIE of a false Pre-tribulational Rapture theory from men?
 

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How would someone like you know, since you quote Jesus in Matthew 24:29-31 but won't heed it, and instead push the LIE of a false Pre-tribulational Rapture theory from men?

I don’t push a LIE or THEORIES of men.
Perhaps you should brush up on Gods FIRST great Tribulation, and HOW God Saved some of manKIND FROM Gods FIRST great Tribulation and Gods own inspiration IS Gods teaching of Gods NEXT great Tribulation of HOW some of manKIND will be Saved FROM Gods NEXT Tribulation.

Nothing new under the sun. What was shall be again.

First great Tribulation and Wrath of God to come down from Heaven UPON inhabitants of the earth.
~ Saved earthlings WITH God Lifted up above the face of the earth.
Next great Tribulation and Wrath of God to come down from Heaven UPON inhabitants of the earth.
~ Saved earthlings WITH God Lifted up above the face of the earth.

Escape - a key word.
Clouds - a key word.
With God - key knowledge
Wrath - key knowledge
Why - key understanding

144,000 virgin men of the 12 Tribes of Israel are the Exception, WITH Gods Mark.
If you are not one of those 144,000 ON Earth during Gods Next great Tribulation perhaps THEN you will BECOME WITH God, and be bodily KILLED for you finally MAKING the choice to BECOME WITH God.

I have already MADE my CHOICE to be WITH God.
I have already GIVEN my body unto death, for my Belief in my God.
I have no requirement to be subject to Gods great Tribulation.
I have no requirement to be subject to Gods Wrath.

Instead of spouting out False accusations to and about others...
You should wonder WHY God is Angry at YOU and shall make YOU appointed to His WRATH!
 

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Matthew 24

Rev 6
IS the Tribulation of THOSE DAYS...The WRATH of the LAMB.

The wrath of God and the wrath of the Lamb are the same thing. The reason you find these events separated is because people are confusing the tribulation for the wrath of the Lamb, which it's not.
The Son of man returning at Rev 6? No.

How are you not understanding that the coming of Jesus in Matthew 24 is the coming of Jesus at the 6th seal. Do you not see the events are marked by the cosmic signs of the sun, moon and stars?

Matthew 24
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:


30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Revelation 6
12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth
, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
You Skipped; the Tribulation of the FOLLOWING DAYS...
Rev 7: 1-17
Rev 8: 1-13
Rev 9: 1-21
Rev 10: 1-11
Rev 11: 1-19
The tribulation is over at the sixth seal. You need to overlay the cosmic signs in Matthew 24 with the cosmic signs of Rev 6. That says IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE TRIBULATION OF THOSE DAYS. That tells you that the tribulation is over at the 6th seal....when Jesus returns.
Rev 12: 1-17
The 1st 6 verses are a rehash of the events of the birth of Jesus. Verses 7 thru 17 are a rehash of the tribulation. So the events of Rev 12:7-17 occur in the 6 seals.
Rev 13: 1-18
Rev 14: 1-13
You need to understand what you are reading. The 1st 5 seals are the tribulation. Then Jesus comes at the 6th seal as marked by the cosmic signs. So, IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE TRIBULATION of those days, Jesus sends His angels to gather the elect from heaven and earth. Then the wrath of God begins.
Rev 6
7 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

The trumpets are the wrath of God and the wrath is over....it is done....finished......complete at the 7th trumpet.

Rev 10
7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

Rev 11
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

In Rev 11 we see that the kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord. That means Jesus has returned. That mean Armageddon has happened. That means the time of the dead and judgment happens and Jesus has returned with rewards.

Rev 11
18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

SO THE WRATH OF GOD IS OVER AT THE 7TH TRUMPET. What you see in Rev 13 and 14 occurs during the seals.

Here is the great tribulation at the 5th seal

Rev 6
9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:

10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

Here is proof that it is the great tribulation at the 5th seal

Rev 7
9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:

10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

Here is the same great tribulation that you see at the 5th seal in Revelation 14
Rev 14
13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.

Rev 14:14 is the First SIGN of the Son of Man....IN THE CLOUDS...
NOT ON Earth.

Rev 14:
[14] And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.

As I said, you are back in the seals in Rev 13 and 14 because the wrath of God is over at the 7th trumpet.

So the coming of Jesus in the clouds in Rev 14 is the coming of Jesus that occurs at the 6th seal.

Again, here is the wrath of God beginning at the 6th seal.

Rev 6
7 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

Here is the exact same wrath of God beginning at the end of Rev 14

Rev 14
19 And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.

More Tribulation of the FOLLOWING Days AFTER Rev. 14:14

No. The tribulation is OVER at the 6th seal. That coming of Jesus in Rev 14 is the same coming of Jesus that happens at the 6th seal as the wrath of God is over at the 7th trumpet and you are back in the seals in Rev 13 and 14. The Jesus comes in Rev 14 which is the same coming as Rev 6, which is the SAME COMING AS MATTHEW 24.

Then the WRATH OF GOD BEGINS.

Rev 14
19 And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.

The wrath of God is the vials. This is just another view of the wrath of God in the trumpets.

Here is what happens after the 7th trumpet.

Rev 11
19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

Here is what happens at the end of the vials
Rev 16
18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.

19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.

20 And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.

21 And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.

The events at the end of the trumpets are the same as the events at the end of the vials. The vials are just a different view of the trumpets.
 

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How would someone like you know, since you quote Jesus in Matthew 24:29-31 but won't heed it, and instead push the LIE of a false Pre-tribulational Rapture theory from men?

Review Luke Chapter 21, all the events that lead up to the Great Tribulation God shall send down from Heaven.

[35] For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth.

A snare. OOPS the day unknown and caught without being Worthy to Escape.

[36] Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

Obviously you do not account “yourself” worthy to escape being subject to Gods Wrath that shall come upon ALL that dwell upon the FACE OF THE WHOLE EARTH.

Unlike YOU, I, BY Gods Grace and Gods Works, AM accounted WORTHY to ESCAPE WRATH...
Because
Gods ESCAPE PLAN for the WORTHY, is expressly taught in Scriptures.
And as Scripture expressly TEACHES, HOW TO BE MADE Worthy, IS a
Choice I already Made.

NOTHING NEW....SAME as the WORTHY in Noah’s DAY...
Lifted UP Above the FACE OF THE EARTH.

Your issue to deal with.
You finger pointing with False accusations AGAINST the Worthy,
Is false accusations accounted to YOU.

You should study up on HOW TO become made Worthy.
And make yourself aware of Gods punishments toward those who persecute the Worthy, as you do.
 

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But Matthew 24 was earlier...why didn't Christ come during Matthew 24? It speaks of the sun and moon being darkened and the stars falling.

I don't understand your question. What do you mean that Matthew 24 was earlier? Jesus comes in Matthew 24, but he remains in the clouds and sends His angels. The coming of Jesus in Matthew 24, is the coming of Jesus at the 6th seal, is the coming of Jesus in Rev 14.

Matthew 24
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
 

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As it was in the days of Noah and as it was in the days of Lot. The very day God shut up Noah and his family the rain began. And the very day Lot was hurried to safety, the fire came. They had no idea what was about to happen, that Gods wrath had begun. They were going about their lives as normal.


37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,

39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
 

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The wrath of God and the wrath of the Lamb are the same thing. The reason you find these events separated is because people are confusing the tribulation for the wrath of the Lamb, which it's not.

The reason their events during the great Tribulation are separated is Because Scripture expressly teaches there is a distinct ORDER and WAY... 7 Seals, 7 Trumps, 7 Vials... and expressly what occurs as each of the 7 Seals are opened, the 7 Trumps are sounded, the 7 Vials are pour out.

If you want to mix that as a hodgepodge of events...that’s you.
I’ll Trust Gods Word.

How are you not understanding that the coming of Jesus in Matthew 24 is the coming of Jesus at the 6th seal. Do you not see the events are marked by the cosmic signs of the sun, moon and stars?

** Scripture is clear.
Gods Tribulation is SENT DOWN FROM HEAVEN.
No the Lord God is NOT ON Earth, SENDING His Tribulation and Wrath and Destruction DOWN UPON Himself, as you supposedly have the Lord ON Earth.

Matthew 24
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

** Immediately AFTER the Lambs Wrath, the sun and moon give not light.
So? Notice... It’s dark upon the earth.

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

** And THEN WHEN....? Immediately? In the darkness? It does not SAY immediately the SIGN of the Son of man IN HEAVEN shall appear.

BUT obviously YOU “immediately” have the SIGN of the Son of man “IN HEAVEN”.....completely CHANGED...FROM;
The Son of man IN Heaven...
to the Son of man ON EARTH.
That is YOUR ERROR...not mine!

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

** Another of YOUR ERRORS....
He shall SEND his angels....FROM WHERE?
His angels are WITH HIM IN Heaven....but YOU HAVE HIM (the Son of man) ON EARTH...
BTW....Jesus’ Angel already gathered Christ’s Church.
BTW....God is gathering HIS PEOPLE ISRAEL during the Tribulation.



Revelation 6
12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

** Yep okay knowledge about the sun and moon.

13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth
, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

** Yep okay knowledge about the stars fall upon the earth.


The tribulation is over at the sixth seal. You need to overlay the cosmic signs in Matthew 24 with the cosmic signs of Rev 6. That says IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE TRIBULATION OF THOSE DAYS. That tells you that the tribulation is over at the 6th seal....when Jesus returns.

** The TRIBULATION OF THOSE DAYS are “finished”.
** YOU completely over look the TRIBULATION of the Following Days.
** No the Son of man Does not return to Earth after the Wrath of the Lamb is accomplished.
He is STILL IN HEAVEN WITH God, as God directs His SERVANT Angels to sound their Trumps....and still later WHEN God sends His SERVANT Angels to pour out His Vials of Wrath.


The 1st 6 verses are a rehash of the events of the birth of Jesus. Verses 7 thru 17 are a rehash of the tribulation. So the events of Rev 12:7-17 occur in the 6 seals.

** Nothing whatsoever in Scripture says the Son of man returns during the 6th Seal. <—-> that is only stated BY YOU.

You need to understand what you are reading. The 1st 5 seals are the tribulation.

** That is good advice for you.
You making up the Son of mans return to Earth, Even BEFORE the SIGN of the Son of man CLEARLY is revealed in Rev 14;14.

The vials are just a different view of the trumpets.

** No need to attempt to rewrite Scripture.
 

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The wrath of God and the wrath of the Lamb are the same thing.

Scripture says no such thing.

The Wrath of the Lamb, is AGAINST people on earth who rejected the Lamb of God.

The Wrath of God, is AGAINST people on earth who rejected God.
The Mixture of God VENGEANCE in Gods Wrath, is AGAINST people on earth who persecuted Believers.

By any account IF you are ON Earth, during Tribulation send down from Heaven...you shall SUFFER Wrath send down from Heaven...ENJOY!
 

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Scripture says no such thing.

The Wrath of the Lamb, is AGAINST people on earth who rejected the Lamb of God.

The Wrath of God, is AGAINST people on earth who rejected God.
The Mixture of God VENGEANCE in Gods Wrath, is AGAINST people on earth who persecuted Believers.

By any account IF you are ON Earth, during Tribulation send down from Heaven...you shall SUFFER Wrath send down from Heaven...ENJOY!
This is just something Perry Stone made up because He doesn't understand that the fig tree has two harvests.
 

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This is just something Perry Stone made up because He doesn't understand that the fig tree has two harvests.

Someone named Perry Stone wrote the Bible?

Can’t speak for you, but I get my Scriptural Teaching from Scripture!

You have NOT revealed ONE Scripture that says the Son of Man is on Earth during the opening of the SEALS.
 

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The reason their events during the great Tribulation are separated is Because Scripture expressly teaches there is a distinct ORDER and WAY... 7 Seals, 7 Trumps, 7 Vials... and expressly what occurs as each of the 7 Seals are opened, the 7 Trumps are sounded, the 7 Vials are pour out.

If you want to mix that as a hodgepodge of events...that’s you.
I’ll Trust Gods Word.
Nice. Not one bit of thought or logic to draw any conclusion. No understanding that the mystery of God is finished when the 7th angel begins to sound. Not one bit of thought or logic is applied when the Word tells us that the kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord. Just read past these things with no understanding. Nice.

** Nothing whatsoever in Scripture says the Son of man returns during the 6th Seal. <—-> that is only stated BY YOU.
Oh my..... How can you not comprehend that in Matthew 24 IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE TRIBULATION, the sun and moon go dark and the stars fall from heaven and then Jesus returns to the clouds and sends His angels to gather elect from heaven and earth just before the wrath of God.

That piece of information should tell you that when the sun and moon go dark and the stars fall from heaven at the 6th seal, the tribulation is over and Jesus has returned to the clouds for the gathering just before the wrath of God.

DRAW A CONCLUSION based on the information given.

Joe tells you....Immediately after the atomic bomb goes off, the sky turns purple and then the lake turns blue.
Pete walks up and tells you the book is opened and the sky turns purple and then the lake turns blue.

You ought to be able to conclude that when the book is opened the atomic bomb has gone off.




** That is good advice for you.
You making up the Son of mans return to Earth, Even BEFORE the SIGN of the Son of man CLEARLY is revealed in Rev 14;14.
The coming of Jesus in the clouds in Rev 14 is the same coming of Jesus in Matthew 24 when Jesus sends His angels to gather the elect from heaven and earth. This is the same coming of Jesus at the 6th seal as marked by the cosmic signs of the sun, moon and stars.
** No need to attempt to rewrite Scripture.
I feel I am in that Tom Cruise movie, the day after tomorrow. No matter how MANY times I show you that the cosmic signs of the sun, moon and stars in Matt 24 are the comic signs at the 6th seal. You should be able to conclude that the Tribulation is over at the 6 seal and Jesus returns to the clouds to gather the elect.

SIMPLE LOGIC.
 

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As it was in the days of Noah and as it was in the days of Lot. The very day God shut up Noah and his family the rain began.

No, this is not true. Noah was in the ark 7 days before the flood, even as the Church will be in heaven 7 years before wrath.

Genesis 7
9 There went in two and two unto Noah into the ark, the male and the female, as God had commanded Noah.

10 And it came to pass after seven days, that the waters of the flood were upon the earth.

And the very day Lot was hurried to safety, the fire came. They had no idea what was about to happen, that Gods wrath had begun. They were going about their lives as normal.


37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,

39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

The fig tree has two harvests. Noah enters the ark 7 days before the flood, even as the Church will be in heaven 7 years before wrath. When the second harvest happens, it will be like the days of Lot, where the very day Lot left Sodom, destruction came. This is the coming of Jesus at the 6th seal to the clouds to gather the elect just before the wrath of God.

2 Thes 2
Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,

2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
 

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Well, it didn’t flood in one day. It took a while for the waters from above and below to amass into a flood.
It also took them time to abate.
 

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I don’t push a LIE or THEORIES of men.
Perhaps you should brush up on Gods FIRST great Tribulation, and HOW God Saved some of manKIND FROM Gods FIRST great Tribulation and Gods own inspiration IS Gods teaching of Gods NEXT great Tribulation of HOW some of manKIND will be Saved FROM Gods NEXT Tribulation.
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What you SHOULD DO, is stop telling LIES which is so easy to see in your posts when you directly quote Lord Jesus in Matthew 24:29-31 about His future coming AFTER THE TRIBULATION to gather His saints, BUT THEN YOU PUSH THE FALSE PRE-TRIB RAPTURE LIE that instead teaches Jesus comes PRIOR to the great tribulation to gather the Church.

No one has destroyed your credibility in God's written Word, YOU did that yourself!