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Who gathers ISRAEL and when?

Before the earth and the things in it are “hurt” they will be sealed.

“Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.” (Revelation 7:3)

It’s not unreasonable to conclude that they will be included in the rapture. But Even today the real converts are “Israel”. Just because you are a native of Israel does not make you “Israel”. (Romans 9:6)
 

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NEVER in this lifetime! Man is spiritually dead and therefore incapable of making "spiritual" choices.
Words like predestination, election, chosen, and saved, to name a few are biblical terms.
Jesus said, "You have not chosen me, but I have chosen you...." John 15:16.
By claiming man has a choice in spiritual things makes man the king maker and NOT God!


John 15:16 is expressly accurate, Jesus did choose every one of His Disciples.

John 6:
[70] Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?

Josh 24:
[15] And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.

1 Thes 1:
[4] Knowing, brethren beloved, your election of God.

Do men choose whom they will serve, BEFORE they are Saved?
Do men election God, BEFORE they are Saved?
 
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Before the earth and the things in it are “hurt” they will be sealed.

“Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.” (Revelation 7:3)

The Sealed applies to 144,000.
There are millions of Jews today.

It’s not unreasonable to conclude that they will be included in the rapture. But Even today the real converts are “Israel”. Just because you are a native of Israel does not make you “Israel”. (Romans 9:6)

ISRAEL is a People world wide. Israel is a nation with a large population of Jews, (Approx 5+ million Jews). Many Jews displaced have returned to Israel since 1948.

Not sure why you think Jews will be Raptured. The majority do not believe Jesus is the Christ.
 

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Don't deny the Rapture and be left behind!!!
1 Thessalonians 4:13-18
13 And now, dear brothers, I want you to know what happens to a Christian when he dies so that when it happens, you will not be full of sorrow, as those are who have no hope. 14 For since we believe that Jesus died and then came back to life again, we can also believe that when Jesus returns, God will bring back with him all the Christians who have died.

15 I can tell you this directly from the Lord: that we who are still living when the Lord returns will not rise to meet him ahead of those who are in their graves. 16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven with a mighty shout and with the soul-stirring cry of the archangel and the great trumpet-call of God. And the believers who are dead will be the first to rise to meet the Lord. 17 Then we who are still alive and remain on the earth will be caught up with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air and remain with him forever. 18 So comfort and encourage each other with this news.===Caught up IS the rapture. After the years of the great tribulation Jesus will return to earth and bring the raptured believers with Him and defeat all evil and set up His eternal kingdom here on earth and God will have His home here for all eternity!. PTL

What may I ask bible are you quoting from?
You just changed the Word.

Who the heck are in their graves ?
 

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Anyone who believes the flesh rises from the grave believes in soul sleep and scripture classifies you as a heathen.

This dirt will not rise , period ...!!!

Why would your soul even wanna come back to this ?(flesh)

Do one not understand we have (TWO) bodies ,the soul is us, the flesh is what we hang out in .At death or at the return of Christ, flesh is gone, never ever to be needed again.

We don't have a soul , we are a soul !!!
 

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Not sure why you think Jews will be Raptured

The Bible doesn’t say anywhere that the “Jews” will not be raptured. Once again I hear the footsteps of Dispensational Theology in your writings…

The majority do not believe Jesus is the Christ.

So what.

The majority of “gentiles” don’t believe either! And as many as do “believe” they are lost due to the multitudes of false teachings out there they believe!

Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.” (Matthew 7:14)

The Sealed applies to 144,000.
There are millions of Jews today

And?
 

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Anyone who believes the flesh rises from the grave believes in soul sleep and scripture classifies you as a heathen

For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.” (1 Thessalonians 4:14)

You were saying?

Yeah, I know. You fell for some traditional extra biblical teaching that voids this verse with empty words. I am prepared to teach you about the verses you’ll use to refute me so go ahead and post them if you want to learn the truth.
 

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For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.” (1 Thessalonians 4:14)

You were saying?

Yeah, I know. You fell for some traditional extra biblical teaching that voids this verse with empty words. I am prepared to teach you about the verses you’ll use to refute me so go ahead and post them if you want to learn the truth.

Your quoted scripture proves my point ,know that scripture well (very) as a matter of fact

So let's look at it ,following the basics of reading

I Thessalonians 4:13 "But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope."

What's the subject ?

This concern is over "them which are asleep". The concern is over the loved ones that have died and left them, and their decaying bodies are out there in their grave. Paul is saying for us not to be sorry about those Christians who are dead and gone, for that is the concern of the heathen. The heathen's fear comes from their ignorance of God's word, and His promises. The heathen have no hope, for they believe it's over at the burial.

I Thessalonians 4:14
"For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him."

If we believe, as a Christian, that Christ set the example for us; so that we will follow as He did, in dying, and rising again, then "to sleep" is to be dead from the flesh body. The Greek is a simple language, for it's structure allows one to be more precise. The subject in the frame of this verse is; "that ye not be ignorant as to where the dead are." If you're a Christian, you know and believe that Jesus Christ died, was buried, and on the third day arose and came out of the tomb. If you do not believe this, Paul classifies you as ignorant, and heathen [non-believer].

It was on the fortieth day that he ascended back to the Father. When Jesus ascended into heaven, all the souls went with him into heaven also, that had passed on, up to that point in time. The souls of some went to wait for that time of judgment, while others to the glory of God. Those that sleep [are dead] are not out there in a hole in the ground, but all Christians must believe that they arose to be with the Father, just like Christ did also. The dead are with God; all of them. "To be absent from the body [flesh body] is to be present with the Lord." Ecclesiastes 12:7.

I Thessalonians 4:15 "For we say unto you, by the word of our Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent in no wise [precede] them which are asleep."

We which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord," this is our gathering back to Jesus Christ. "Shall not prevent them", would be better translated, "We are not going to precede [go before] them." We can not precede them for a very simple reason; the dead are already there with God. It is the only logical fact that can come from this. If you do not, or will not believe this, then you believe in soul sleep as the heathen do, and the hope and glory Paul is speaking of, for the Christian, and you are ignorant of God's glory. Whether victorious, or sentenced to hell, all the dead are now with the Father, and not in the ground.

And you were saying?
 

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Yeah, I know. You fell for some traditional extra biblical teaching that voids this verse with empty words. I am prepared to teach you about the verses you’ll use to refute me so go ahead and post them if you want to learn the truth.

I'm ready, let's do this waiting for your response to post #68
 

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We can not precede them for a very simple reason; the dead are already there with God.

No, it’s because they will rise first at the appointed time.

“Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.” (John 5:28-29)

All that are in the graves, that’s saved and unsaved.

I’m disappointed in you.

I thought you’d bring some scripture, not your thoughts on scripture…
 
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No, it’s because they will rise first at the appointed time.

“Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.” (John 5:28-29)

All that are in the graves, that’s saved and unsaved.

I’m disappointed in you.

I thought you’d bring some scripture, not your thoughts on scripture…

You serious ? It's called rightly dividing the Word

Where was Christ for 3 days after His death ?
 

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Where is Christ now ? Where's Moses and David

Mark 12:26 "And as touching the dead, that they rise: have ye not read in the book of Moses, how in the bush God spake unto him, saying, `I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob?' "

Jesus is saying here, "now lets talk about the dead for a moment." Jesus is reminding these Sadducees that Abraham, Isaac and Jacob were all dead, yet God has said, I am the God of these men, and if God were the God of these men at Moses time, than each of these three men would still have to be alive. To be a God over anybody they would have to be alive to have a God over them. The meaning to this is that nobody is dead yet, not even Satan and his evil spirits, and fallen angels. Sure Satan was condemned to death in the first earth age, however that sentence will not be carried out until after the Millennium age, and the great white throne judgment. Jesus is telling these men that they don't know what they are even talking about.

Mark 12:27 "He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living: ye therefore do greatly err."

Any one that teaches that there loved one is out there in a hole in the ground, waiting for a rapture is just as these Sadducees, greatly in err. That is what the heathen believe and it is called "soul sleep". The other piece of traditional trash that is taught today, is that some day they will join back to their dead and decayed flesh body. Wake up pal, when the flesh body is dead it is gone forever, and it will have no more of value than a hand full of dirt.

Many times pastors deal with this, where remains are dug up and moved to another place, or have been in a state of decay for a long time. Do you know what is there? Nothing but dust, and that is what Solomon was telling you in Ecclesiastes 12:7. God is the God of the living and He loves all of His children. All that flesh is, is dirt and that is why it states "dust to dust". Upon death the flesh returns to the elements that it is made of.

II Corinthians 5:7, 8 "(For we walk by faith, not by sight:) We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord."

It's nothing you can tell me
 

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Any one that teaches that there loved one is out there in a hole in the ground, waiting for a rapture is just as these Sadducees, greatly in err.

I just got done quoting you a scripture where Jesus said that all that are in the graves shall hear his voice. Jesus is not in error. You are!

Where is Christ now ? Where's Moses and David

I am not speaking about them. I am talking about all the dead since Christ rose up to heaven with those that rose with him at that time.

As for David:

“For David is not ascended into the heavens” (Acts 2:34)

Jesus is reminding these Sadducees that Abraham, Isaac and Jacob were all dead, yet God has said, I am the God of these men,

and if God were the God of these men at Moses time, than each of these three men would still have to be alive.

Once again, I am not talking about these men.

There’s nothing I can tell you because you have already ignored the Bible. Religious sectarians are the most stubborn folks set in their traditional ways.
 
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The Bible doesn’t say anywhere that the “Jews” will not be raptured.

No kidding.

Once again I hear the footsteps of Dispensational Theology in your writings…

And?
You think “your thoughts”, have anything whatsoever to do with an others destiny? Pfff!

The majority of “gentiles” don’t believe either! And as many as do “believe” they are lost due to the multitudes of false teachings out there they believe!

And?
Not relevant.
No one is including false believers in the Rapture.

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And?
You should learn the Truth before you think yourself qualified to know or understand the Scriptures.
 

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You should learn the Truth before you think yourself qualified to know or understand the Scriptures.

Oh please!

You ignore scriptures so you cannot quote them because the scriptures themselves tear down your false doctrine. So you have nothing left but to cry “your not qualified” and say “and? And?”.
 

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You serious ? It's called rightly dividing the Word

Oh brother!

Get off the Dispensational Truth crack pipe! That stuff is so potent that the glaring truth escapes you! You have been blinded by a theological invention that parades itself as a vehicle of “rightly dividing the word of truth” while doing the exact opposite! It causes you to WRONGLY divide the word of truth (Oh the Devil is so cunning). Stick to the Bible alone and none of his tricks will seduce you.

Sober up and maybe the truth will begin to shine on you.
 

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I just got done quoting you a scripture where Jesus said that all that are in the graves shall hear his voice. Jesus is not in error. You are!



I am not speaking about them. I am talking about all the dead since Christ rose up to heaven with those that rose with him at that time.

As for David:

“For David is not ascended into the heavens” (Acts 2:34)





Once again, I am not talking about these men.

There’s nothing I can tell you because you have already ignored the Bible. Religious sectarians are the most stubborn folks set in their traditional ways.

Ain't nobody in no graves, period.

Ecclesiastes 12:6 "Or ever the silver cord be loosed, or the golden bowl be broken, or the pitcher be broken at the fountain, or the wheel broken at the cistern."

Ecclesiastes 12:7 "Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God Who gave it."

Then when? After the silver cord breaks, the mind is brain dead, and the body loses its life. Then shall the body "dust" return to the earth as it was, before it was formed into food, and entered your mouth as food to make your flesh body healthy.

The spirit is the intellect of the soul, that gives the soul its identity. This is not complicated. When the body dies, and goes to the grave, the physical body will never have a use again, for the soul has returned to the Father, to God who created it in the first place. Because this is a promise of God, it should be what all Christians look forward to all the days of their lives. That is the day that we will be with the Father and Jesus Christ is heaven, not at some distant time in the future.

Stay with your soul sleep
 

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Oh brother!

Get off the Dispensational Truth crack pipe! That stuff is so potent that the glaring truth escapes you! You have been blinded by a theological invention that parades itself as a vehicle of “rightly dividing the word of truth” while doing the exact opposite! It causes you to WRONGLY divide the word of truth (Oh the Devil is so cunning). Stick to the Bible alone and none of his tricks will seduce you.

Sober up and maybe the truth will begin to shine on you.

Guess we done

Proverbs 9:10; "The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom: And the knowledge of the holy is understanding." Applied common sense is what most of the understanding of God's Word consists of.
 

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Guess we done

Proverbs 9:10; "The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom: And the knowledge of the holy is understanding." Applied common sense is what most of the understanding of God's Word consists of.
Amen! what's up with the "dispensy crack pipe"? Is that government issued?

I am so glad I found "Approval, Rightly Dividing His Word Of Truth," over
30 years ago:

BRIEF example, seems ALL Scripturally Correct to me!

GRACE And Peace...
 

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I'll worry about being "left behind" once someone actually proves beyond a shadow of doubt that the Bible supports this doctrine.