Flesh is Not Sinful

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GEN2REV

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What is the meaning of "Last Adam"?
All these facts are true for all mankind, whether saved/Holy Spirit indwelled or not.

The flesh is the source of the passions and desires.
Galatians 5:24
The deeds of the flesh are evident.
Galatians 5:19-21
Lusts and desires are of the flesh, and of the brain (the mind).
Ephesians 2:3
We must fight against our flesh, against its lusts.
Romans 13:14
The Flesh has desires of its very own that strive against the Holy Spirit, and the Spirit battles against the desires that come from the flesh itself.
Galatians 5:17

And all these facts were true for Christ throughout His entire physical life in the flesh.
 

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@marks @1stCenturyLady

It's clear to me now what your 'mischief' is driving at.

You all are trying to create a foundation for the False Concept that a Christian cannot sin, nor be tempted, once they are saved and/or have the Holy Spirit.

That is patently FALSE.

All Christians are fully capable of sin, fully susceptible to temptation, right up through the moment they expel their final breath;

-just exactly as was TRUE for Jesus Christ in the flesh.
 

GEN2REV

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No I'm not. In fact you are completely mischaracterizing me. Completely!
Oh, really?

Let's test that, marks.

Real simple, too.

Do you subscribe to OSAS?

Yep. Yep, you do.

Huh. Imagine that.

Case closed.
 

GEN2REV

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So that's an "I don't know"?
On the contrary. It's an "In light of the verses presented multiple times now, it's 100% irrelevant."

I don't waste my time with unnecessary moves on the board.

Checkmate.
 

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Give a shot at that question . . . what is the meaning, the "first Adam", and the "last Adam"?

This is something really worth understanding.

Much love!
@marks I indeed understand that the Lord Jesus is sinless; which is totally Scriptural and He is the Word Who became flesh (John 1.14).

But I don't understand all the seeming premises of the OP.
 
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@marks I indeed understand that the Lord Jesus is sinless; which is totally Scriptural and He is the Word Who became flesh (John 1.14).

But I don't understand all the seeming premises of the OP.
It's another anti-OSAS post. He's done many of them in the past several days.

Much love!
 
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It's another anti-OSAS post. He's done many of them in the past several days.

Much love!
I do find it troubling that ppl can seemingly advocate as supposedly Scriptural the idea of "faith in the finished work of Christ PLUS something else" as supposedly essential for salvation.
 
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marks

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OSAS preaches a superman christ made of another kind of flesh, that they cannot possibly live like, and jehovah worshippers preach a superhero christ deified after the flesh, that they cannot possibly live like.
@farouk

His main premise here is that our bodies and all are Just Like Jesus was, so that we can do just like He did, not sin, living perfectly. And that when we say there was a difference we're just making excuses to justify our sinning ways.

Much love!
 

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Ephesians 2:1-5 LITV
1) and you being dead in deviations and sins,
2) in which you formerly walked according to the course of this world, according to the ruler of the authority of the air, the spirit now working in the sons of disobedience,
3) among whom we also all conducted ourselves in times past in the lusts of our flesh, doing the things willed of the flesh and of the understanding, and were by nature the children of wrath, even as the rest.
4) But God, being rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us,
5) even we being dead in deviations, He made us alive together with Christ (by grace you are being saved),

Are you realizing this passage is about those "being dead in deviations and sins"?

Much love!
@marks This is a searching passage indeed......(often ignored by those who seem to have a superficial understanding of doctrine).
 
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GEN2REV

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Actually, If you understood about that, we would not be having this conversation.

That's why I asked that particular question. If you don't know the answer, this should signal to you that there is something to be understood here. If you do know the answer . . . well, I know you don't. It's clear in how to speak of Jesus and mankind.
Actually, if you'd ever addressed this point that I first made in post #7, LONG before you introduced new -outside- points, then you're right. We wouldn't be having this conversation.

I'll ask again in a different way and you will again completely ignore the point because it 100% dismantles your argument.

Is the flesh the source of the passions and desires, marks?
Galatians 5:24
Are the deeds of the flesh evident, marks?
Galatians 5:19-21
Are lusts and desires of the flesh, and of the brain (the mind), marks?
Ephesians 2:3
Must we fight against our flesh, against its lusts, marks?
Romans 13:14
Does the Flesh have desires of its very own that strive against the Holy Spirit, and does the Spirit battle against the desires that come from the flesh itself, marks?
Galatians 5:17

Address these questions or, by default, concede that your group is wrong and you don't have a clue what you're talking about.
 

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What was it about Adam that was different from all who came after, except Jesus? What is it about Adam and all who came after except Jesus, that was different from Jesus?

Much love!
 
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Romans 8:13 For if you live according to the flesh, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live.

Just as Jesus had by the spirit to put to death the misdeeds of the body, so should one do the same (if) by the Spirit (Spirit of God allowing him to work in and through us), you will live (having spiritual life).

Flesh: Strong's Greek: 4561. σάρξ (sarx) -- flesh
 

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Which of these tell you that Jesus was born into flesh corrupted by sin??

These describe human sinners, not the Last Adam. Jesus came in the "likeness" of sinful flesh, not in sinful flesh.
Flesh is flesh, marks.

Jesus' flesh was His mother's flesh, for crying ... out ... loud.

You are being absolutely ridiculous. I've never seen you arguing so childishly and stubbornly, without reason or logic, for a position that is a foregone conclusion at this point.

His Spirit was that of God, His seed that is; His flesh was that of His mother's flesh.

Why not just appear any way He chose if not to purposely incarnate into earthly flesh for the purpose of defeating sin ... read carefully here ... in the flesh??
 

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Am I missing something here?
Lol.

Are you "getting" anything here?

Not one bit of this is sinking in for you.

The fact is that you are WELL aware of the point that I am making perfectly, and you know what Scripture says about THE FLESH. You are just cold, and stone, -heartedly, refusing to accept it because you have ulterior motives; as I have already proven in post#26.
 

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@marks

Pout your way outta this one. I'm actually entertained now to see how you will twist and mangle THIS Scripture, because I'm absolutely certain you will.

So, here ya go. Let's see what you can do with this.

Work your wicked magick on this one, marks.

“Inasmuch then as the children have partaken of flesh and blood, He Himself likewise shared in the same, that through death He might destroy him who had the power of death, that is, the devil, and release those who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.”
Hebrews 2:14-15

Abra-Cadabra! Do your thing, Wizard!
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