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theefaith

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Jesus told us how to be born again in John 3

No work involved. As paul said. Lest anyone should boast.

The only work involved in our new birth is the work of Christ on the cross

you refer to the redemption not being born again! We have to believe don’t we???
 

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Your 'surface' reading of scripture and Roman Catholic eisegesis remains your Achilles heel.
It remains the noose around his neck and the end of that doctrine will be the release of the bottom latch . He is hanging himself
by the doctrines o a harlot and cannot see my friend . We must stay dug in Christ and be in those bibles learning and reading daily .
 
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Religion says do!

christianity says done!

1 pet 1:7 That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:

8 Whom having not seen, ye love; in whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory:

9 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.
 

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must be "thefaith" you are talking too.

Good luck my friend..

washed /washing refers to baptism

acts 22:16
Jn 3:5
Titus 3:5
Heb 10:22
1 pet 1:2
1 pet 1:22
Rev 1:5

Effects of faith & baptism!

Ez 36:25-27 washed in baptism, with a new heart and the Spirit
Jn 3:5 born again in baptism
Mk 16:16 faith & baptist
Acts 2:38 repentance & baptism
Acts 8:36-38 faith & baptism
Acts 22:16 baptism washes away sin
Rom 6:3 died with Christ
Col 2:12 risen with Christ
1 cor 12:13 baptized into the church
Gal 3:27 by baptism put on Christ
2 Tim 1:10 brought to life
2 cor 5:17 new creation
Eph 1:13 sealed by the Holy Spirit
Eph 2:1&5 brought to life in baptism
Eph 4:5 one baptism
Eph 5:26 faith and baptism
Titus 3:5 baptismal regeneration
1 pet 1:2 washed in Christ’s blood
1 pet 2:9 and not the kingdom of light
1 pet 3:20-21 baptism saves us!

“Faith alone” accomplishes nothing!
1 cor 13:2 even all faith (alone) without charity avails NOTHING!!!

Faith and baptism!

Scripture says none of the things about “Faith alone”!
 

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Already explained this to you multiple times. In regards to circumcision, read Romans 2:28-29 and Romans 4:9-11 then contrast that with Spirit baptism and justification by faith alone.

Jn 3:5 does not mention faith or faith alone???

Jn 3:22 they immediately went to the river (water) and the preached “justification by faith alone”????????

THEY BAPTIZED!!!!!!!!!!
 

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Already explained this to you multiple times. In regards to circumcision, read Romans 2:28-29 and Romans 4:9-11 then contrast that with Spirit baptism and justification by faith alone.

Holy apostolic council of Trent with the teaching authority of Christ!

If anyone (Luther) says: a man may be justified by faith alone let him be anathema!
 

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It remains the noose around his neck and the end of that doctrine will be the release of the bottom latch . He is hanging himself
by the doctrines o a harlot and cannot see my friend . We must stay dug in Christ and be in those bibles learning and reading daily .

The false doctrine of the “Bible alone” rejects Jesus Christ and his teaching authority in his apostles in holy church councils, dogmas and decrees etc.

Councils, creeds, dogma’s, and decrees of the church are binding on all the faithful and are equal not only to scripture but to Christ!!!

Lk 10:16 16 He that heareth you heareth me; and he that despiseth you despiseth me; and he that despiseth me despiseth him that sent me.

Jn 20:21 as the Father sent me, so I send you! (The apostles and their successors have the SAME mission, ministry, power, and authority as Jesus Christ!

To reject Christ teaching authority in his church is to reject Christ! Lk 10:16

2 Timothy 2:12
If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:

A dogma of the Catholic Church is defined as "a truth revealed by God, which the magisterium of the Church declared as binding on all the faithful, Dogma is the divinely revealed truth, declared as such by the infallible teaching authority of Jesus Christ in His holy church!

Dogma! Or De Fide! Or Thee faith!

The faith of Christians!
An inconvertible unchallengeable truth revealed by God!
Truth like God who revealed it is immutable! Unchangeable!

Christ is the truth! Jn 14:6
The church is the pillar of truth! 1 Tim 3:15

The one true church founded by Christ on the authority of the apostles is ir-reformable!

Hebrews 13:8
Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

Christ and his church are one! Acts 9:4 eph 4:5

Truth must be revealed by God, and in its fullness in the sacred deposit of faith by Christ to his church! Eph 4:5 Jude 1:3 and must be taught by the church, or proposed for our belief by the apostles!
Matt 28:19-20 Lk 1:4 Jn 20:21 acts 8:31 Rom 1:5 col 2:7 1 Tim 3:15
matt 18:17
 

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Jn 3:5 does not mention faith or faith alone???

Jn 3:22 they immediately went to the river (water) and the preached “justification by faith alone”????????

THEY BAPTIZED!!!!!!!!!!
John 3:5 does not mention baptism and John 3:15,16,18 mentions "believing in Him" (Christ alone) for salvation "with no mention of water baptism" and in regards to water baptism in John 3:22, by this time Jesus' conversation with Nicodemus is over with and He has moved on. John 3:22 - After these things Jesus and His disciples came into the land of Judea, and there He was spending time with them and baptizing...

You need to stop fighting against the truth.
 

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John 3:5 does not mention baptism and John 3:15,16,18 mentions "believing in Him" (Christ alone) for salvation "with no mention of water baptism" and in regards to water baptism in John 3:22, by this time Jesus' conversation with Nicodemus is over with and He has moved on. John 3:22 - After these things Jesus and His disciples came into the land of Judea, and there He was spending time with them and baptizing...

You need to stop fighting against the truth.

where it mentions faith “all Christ revealed and his church teaches must be included”
Including baptism Mk 16:26 acts 8:36-38 ez 36:25 etc.

Moved on? No! In Jn 4:1 we’re still taking baptism (born again)
 

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Context of Jn 3:5 “born again”

John1:26 John answered them, saying, I baptize with water: but there standeth one among you, whom ye know not; (John prepared the way by baptism)

John 2:6 And there were set there six waterpots of stone, after the manner of the purifying of the Jews, containing two or three firkins apiece. (Old covenant prefiguring of baptism, purification from sin)(His disciples believed because the ever Virgin mother of God interceded Jn 2:11)

John3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. (Baptism)

John 3:22 After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized. 23 And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized.(Baptism / water)

John 4:1 When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John.

Born again means Baptismal regeneration!


baptismal regeneration!
A new creation in Christ! 2 cor 5:17
Jn 1 JTB prepared the way by baptism!
Jn 2 the waters of purification are OT prefigurement of baptism!
Jn 3:5 born again means baptism
Jn 3:22 they immediately went to the river! Not to preach “accept Christ as personal lord and savior”
But to BAPTIZE!!!
 

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Context of Jn 3:5 “born again”

John1:26 John answered them, saying, I baptize with water: but there standeth one among you, whom ye know not; (John prepared the way by baptism)

John 2:6 And there were set there six waterpots of stone, after the manner of the purifying of the Jews, containing two or three firkins apiece. (Old covenant prefiguring of baptism, purification from sin)(His disciples believed because the ever Virgin mother of God interceded Jn 2:11)

John3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. (Baptism)

John 3:22 After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized. 23 And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized.(Baptism / water)

John 4:1 When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John.

Born again means Baptismal regeneration!


baptismal regeneration!
A new creation in Christ! 2 cor 5:17
Jn 1 JTB prepared the way by baptism!
Jn 2 the waters of purification are OT prefigurement of baptism!
Jn 3:5 born again means baptism
Jn 3:22 they immediately went to the river! Not to preach “accept Christ as personal lord and savior”
But to BAPTIZE!!!
 

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works alone is condemned

faith and works in Christ thru grace!
Who said anything about works alone? Even false religions and cults teach salvation by faith (their version of faith) and works.

We are saved by grace through faith, not works. (Ephesians 2:8,9) That's not hard to understand. It's just hard for you to ACCEPT.
 

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where it mentions faith “all Christ revealed and his church teaches must be included”
Including baptism Mk 16:26 acts 8:36-38 ez 36:25 etc.
False. Faith is not baptism and faith precedes baptism and we are saved through faith. It's just that simple.

Moved on? No! In Jn 4:1 we’re still taking baptism (born again)
Moved on? Yes! By the time you get down to John 3:22, Jesus' conversation with Nicodemus is over with and He has moved on. John 3:22 - After these things Jesus and His disciples came into the land of Judea, and there He was spending time with them and baptizing.. The chapter ends with, "The one who believes in the Son (with no mention of baptism) has eternal life, but the one who refuses to believe in the Son will not see life; instead, the wrath of God remains on him." (John 3:36)

*John 3:18 - He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who (is not water baptized? - NO) does not believe is condemned already, because he has not (been water baptized? - NO) because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

When we get to John chapter 4, baptism may be talked about in verse 1, yet Jesus left Judea and went through Samaria on His way back once more to Galilee and talks with a Samaritan woman. Jesus has still moved on from his conversation with Nicodemus. Water baptism is not the source or means by which we become born again. Once again, you have been deceived.
 
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False. Faith is not baptism and faith precedes baptism and we are saved through faith. It's just that simple.

Moved on? Yes! By the time you get down to John 3:22, Jesus' conversation with Nicodemus is over with and He has moved on. John 3:22 - After these things Jesus and His disciples came into the land of Judea, and there He was spending time with them and baptizing.. The chapter ends with, "The one who believes in the Son (with no mention of baptism) has eternal life, but the one who refuses to believe in the Son will not see life; instead, the wrath of God remains on him." (John 3:36)

*John 3:18 - He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who (is not water baptized? - NO) does not believe is condemned already, because he has not (been water baptized? - NO) because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

When we get to John chapter 4, baptism may be talked about in verse 1, yet Jesus left Judea and went through Samaria on His way back once more to Galilee and talks with a Samaritan woman. Jesus has still moved on from his conversation with Nicodemus. Water baptism is not the source or means by which we become born again. Once again, you have been deceived.
don't forget John 6.
although then to him that opens up another can of worms
 
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Who said anything about works alone? Even false religions and cults teach salvation by faith (their version of faith) and works.

We are saved by grace through faith, not works. (Ephesians 2:8,9) That's not hard to understand. It's just hard for you to ACCEPT.

who’s faith is referred to in that verse?
 

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False. Faith is not baptism and faith precedes baptism and we are saved through faith. It's just that simple.

Moved on? Yes! By the time you get down to John 3:22, Jesus' conversation with Nicodemus is over with and He has moved on. John 3:22 - After these things Jesus and His disciples came into the land of Judea, and there He was spending time with them and baptizing.. The chapter ends with, "The one who believes in the Son (with no mention of baptism) has eternal life, but the one who refuses to believe in the Son will not see life; instead, the wrath of God remains on him." (John 3:36)

*John 3:18 - He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who (is not water baptized? - NO) does not believe is condemned already, because he has not (been water baptized? - NO) because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

When we get to John chapter 4, baptism may be talked about in verse 1, yet Jesus left Judea and went through Samaria on His way back once more to Galilee and talks with a Samaritan woman. Jesus has still moved on from his conversation with Nicodemus. Water baptism is not the source or means by which we become born again. Once again, you have been deceived.

Jn 3:16 is present tense “a continuous state of believing”
And it includes baptism and all God has revealed!

but it is a covenant not a Bible study must be a seal or sign

baptismal regeneration!

how are disciples made?
 

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It should definitely produce a change in your life; I feel the older you are when you're converted, the more you'll notice that change. For those blessed by the Lord to have been raised in Christian families and have an understanding that there was never a day that they did not know the Lord Jesus (Praise God for such an amazingly rich blessing!), I think they will not feel that much like they have been born again.

Of course, I can only give my perspective. I was an atheist with conscious scorn of God from when I was about 18 or so until my early 30s. When God gives life to a spirit which has been dead, they will see him in a way which they never had before. Their entire perspective of a great many things will change. Things that were once comfortable to them will seem negative or not right. At least that's how it was for me. God gave me a new life that loved his law and commandments and found things that outright protested against his word to be foul and unpleasing. That is my understanding of what it means to be born again.
Hi @dhh712 With your testimony I am reminded of Lydia (Acts 16) 'whose heart the Lord opened'...... :)
 
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