Well, I finished my review of both video's of Rabbi Singer's presentations. Most of I deleted. Just too many words and they were slipping into a theological debate.
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Attached is my evaluation of Rabbi's presentations, both videos. I deleted most of my analyses because it was becoming a debate response.
Concerning the OJB: I haven't used it much, so i can not give a review. However, from what I have seen so far it looks very promising!
Johann
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I really appreciate the time and evaluation Mr. Bowman, would have loved to read the deleted content
I was pleasantly surprised that the OJB cleared the "them" to :HE-
Isa 53:8 He was taken from prison and from judgment; and who of his generation declared? For he was cut off [ Dan_9:26 ; Lev_17:10 ] out of Eretz Chayyim [this refers to the mot of Moshiach Ben Dovid, see Isa_53:12 ] mipesha ami (for the transgression of my people [Yisroel]) -nega (plague cf Psa_91:10 ) lamo ([fell] on him [i.e., Moshiach; in light of Psa_11:7 and Job_22:2 we are warranted in saying the suffix is a singular, "him," not "them". Cf Gen_9:26-27 ; Deu_33:2 ; Isa_44:15 ; also compare 1Ch_21:17 ]).
Isa 53:9 And he made his kever (grave) with the resha'im, and with the oisher (rich man; see Mt 27:57-60) bemotayv (in his deaths, intensive plural should be translated singular, death); because he had done no chamas (violence), neither was any mirmah (deceit) in his mouth. T.N. We stray as sheep; we return in Moshiach as children (zera); the Techiyas HaMoshiach (Resurrection of Moshiach) predicted in v. 10 [Dead Sea Scrolls Isaiah Scroll says Moshiach "will see the light [of life];" see also the Targum HaShivim]
OJB
Really thank my Lord Christ Jesus for this Bible.
Unlike you, I love debates.
J.
An added comment.
One of the positional statements of R. Singer as that the "he" and "him" in Isa 53 refers to the identified servant, Israel. Remembering that this is
"revelatory" poetry, it can be somewhat confusing in its interpretation on the best of days. Yet, if one reads Isa 53, substituting words such as Israel, Zion, or Jacob for the word 'he', then the entire chapter becomes a mangled mess, incomprehensible, even for poetry. The question that remains is exactly who the "he" and who are the 'we' and 'us' in this chapter? I suggest that the 'we' and 'us' are indeed referring to Israel. To the 'he', he remains undefined. Could he be referenced to the herald/messenger noted in 52:7? Yet, the only individual who has fulfilled these verses is a man called Yeshua HaMashiach.
One of the positional statements of R. Singer as that the "he" and "him" in Isa 53 refers to the identified servant, Israel. Remembering that this is
"revelatory" poetry, it can be somewhat confusing in its interpretation on the best of days. Yet, if one reads Isa 53, substituting words such as Israel, Zion, or Jacob for the word 'he', then the entire chapter becomes a mangled mess, incomprehensible, even for poetry. The question that remains is exactly who the "he" and who are the 'we' and 'us' in this chapter? I suggest that the 'we' and 'us' are indeed referring to Israel. To the 'he', he remains undefined. Could he be referenced to the herald/messenger noted in 52:7? Yet, the only individual who has fulfilled these verses is a man called Yeshua HaMashiach.
Johann
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Isa 52:10 Hashem hath made bare His zero'a kedoshah [see Yeshayah 53:1] in the eyes of Kol HaGoyim; and all the ends of ha'aretz shall see the Yeshuat Eloheinu.
Isa 52:11 Depart ye, depart ye; come ye out from there; touch not tameh (unclean thing); come ye out of the midst of her; be ye clean, that carry the k'lei Hashem.
Isa 52:12 For ye shall not go out with haste, nor go by flight; for Hashem will go before you; and Elohei Yisroel will be your rearguard. T.N. Avdi Tzemach Moshiach [Zecharyah 3:8] will be exalted; but He must do the work of a kohen [Tehillim 110:4] regarding the nations, sprinkling them (see Vayikra 4:16-17; 16:14); so yazzeh ("He [Moshiach] will sprinkle,") many goyim; note: hiphil of "naza," "splatter", meaning "sprinkle"); see Zecharyah 9:9-11 where Moshiach comes with the dahm and the Brit (Covenant)! Here in Yeshayah 52:15, the covenant dahm (blood) is sprinkled upon the nations of the world; the King of Kings shall shut the mouths of the kings of all the earth.
Now..
He Was Pierced for Our Transgressions
Isa 52:13 Hinei, Avdi [Moshiach, see Zecharyah 3:8] shall act wisely, he shall be raised and be lifted up, and be highly exalted.
Isa 52:14 As rabbim (many) were appalled at thee [Moshiach]; his appearance was so disfigured more than any man, and his form more than the bnei adam;
Isa 52:15 So yazzeh Goyim rabbim (he [Moshiach] will sprinkle many nations); the melachim (kings) shall shut their mouths because of him; for that which had not been told them shall they see; and of that which they had not heard shall they have binah (understanding).
OJB.
CLEARLY referring to our Messiah, remember, they missed the FIRST advent of Yeshua.
J.
I think it is about time to get back to the subject of this thread and close it out. I need a little time to get my notes together on how to interpret the Bible. Remembering that the three highest priorities in your studies AND interpreting the Word of God are You, Your Bible, and the Holy Spirit. All other priorities need to be secondary to these three elements. Check everything your see and hear against the scriptures! One's approach to Bible study and interpretation should be structured for consistency, but spiritual understanding (You) must be well grounded in the Word, as illuminated by the Holy Spirit.
Walk in the light you have (spiritual knowledge and understanding)! And, strive for additional light. This is a life-long process, be willing to grow and to discard (make correction) in your belief system, but only when and where it is necessary - your choice. Be careful not to take only one or two verses out of the Bible and create a theology out of it. Do not search the Bible for verses that support your doctrine(s) , but rather search the scriptures for doctrine(s) to support (accept). Today, there are estimated (by Pew Research) to be over 48,000 different denominations in the world. Each most likely proclaiming that they have, and teach, more of the "truth" than the church next door (religious competition). Do you think this what is meant by their being only one body of Christ in the world? The entire scripture is "... given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works (throughly…: or, perfected)". Remember, "A Bible that can be mean anything means nothing at all." (Gorden Fee)
My personal favorite:
"Lord Jesus, I'm gonna obey You and love You and serve You and do what You want me to do as long as I live even if I go to hell at the end of the road simply because You are worthy to be loved, obeyed and served. And I'm not trying to make a deal with You." From "The Revival Hymn", attached to this post. A montage of 4-5 different 20th century pastors,, with a short music interlude.
Walk in the light you have (spiritual knowledge and understanding)! And, strive for additional light. This is a life-long process, be willing to grow and to discard (make correction) in your belief system, but only when and where it is necessary - your choice. Be careful not to take only one or two verses out of the Bible and create a theology out of it. Do not search the Bible for verses that support your doctrine(s) , but rather search the scriptures for doctrine(s) to support (accept). Today, there are estimated (by Pew Research) to be over 48,000 different denominations in the world. Each most likely proclaiming that they have, and teach, more of the "truth" than the church next door (religious competition). Do you think this what is meant by their being only one body of Christ in the world? The entire scripture is "... given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works (throughly…: or, perfected)". Remember, "A Bible that can be mean anything means nothing at all." (Gorden Fee)
My personal favorite:
"Lord Jesus, I'm gonna obey You and love You and serve You and do what You want me to do as long as I live even if I go to hell at the end of the road simply because You are worthy to be loved, obeyed and served. And I'm not trying to make a deal with You." From "The Revival Hymn", attached to this post. A montage of 4-5 different 20th century pastors,, with a short music interlude.
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Jesus Christ extends his mission, power, and authority to His church of His apostles!
Even His judging!
Matt 19:28 and 1 cor 6:2
His teaching authority!
Matt 28:19 and Jn 20:21
His power to forgive sins!
Jn 20:23
His being the light of the world!
Matt 5:14
His ministry of reconciliation!
2 cor 5:18
His authority in governing the church and administering the kingdom!
Matt 16:18-19 & 18:18 Jn 21:17
Lk 22:29
Apart from me you can do nothing. Jn 15:5
So the church is subject to Christ!
Eph 5:24
Christ shares His glory! 2 thes 1:10 rev 12:1
Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Matt 18:17 Acts 1:17 acts 8:31 & 35 acts 9:4 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 15:5 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20 acts 2:42
1 Tim 3:15
Fundamentalism drives a wedge between Christ and his church, separates Christ from His kingdom, and the authority of Christ from the new covenant!
1 Corinthians 16:22
If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema
Extends to the truth and the church
Cos Christ is the truth and His church teaches the truth without error! Jn 14:6 matt 28:19 matt 18:17 1 Tim 3:15 Jn 29:21-23 Jn 16:13
Christ and His church are one! Acts 9:4 eph 5:32
Authority of the Apostles!
What authority does Christ have?
What power does Christ have?
What mission / ministry does Christ have?
Peter, the apostles and their successors have the same authority, power, and mission! Jn 20:21 as my father sent me, even so send I you!
John 17:18
As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.
The apostles are Christ’s successors!
They have authority to send others as well, apostle means one who is sent!
Therefore the apostles have authority to send more apostles or successors!
Apostolic succession!
The nations still need to be taught, disciples still need to be baptized and the church the new covenant kingdom of christ still needs to be governed!
Hebrews 3:1
Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;
Christ is an apostle, and has authority to send other apostles, the apostles also have this authority, so the apostles continue down thru the centuries as Christ promised! Matt 28:19-20
Keys of authority! And power to bind and loose! Matt 16:18 and Matt 18:18 matt 28:19 Isa 22:21-22
Moral authority:
(Teaching)
Necessity of being taught by Christ:
Two edge sword: defining truth and condemning errors, and Interpreting scripture.
Jurisdictional authority:
(Governing / administering)
Necessity of Peter and the apostles and their successors to govern the holy church.
Spiritual authority:
(Life of Grace)
Sanctifying thru the mass and Sacraments
The apostles teaching is Christ’s teaching, Christ and His church are one! Acts 9:4
Christian rule of faith is not the Bible alone! But the doctrine of the apostles! Acts 2:42
Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Acts 1:17 acts 8:31 & 35 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 15:5 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20
Jesus is the truth!
Jn 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
Jn 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
To know the truth it is required to know Jesus Christ!
The truth is not some thing but somebody! Jesus Christ!
The church was a the extension of this truth! 1 Tim 3:15
Must hear Christ thru his church! Matt 18:17 Lk 10:16
The false doctrine of the “Bible alone” rejects Jesus Christ and his teaching authority in his apostles in holy church councils, dogmas and decrees etc.
Councils, creeds, dogma’s, catechisms and decrees of the church are binding on all the faithful and are the teaching of Christ!!!
Lk 10:16 16 He that heareth you heareth me; and he that despiseth you despiseth me; and he that despiseth me despiseth him that sent me.
Jn 20:21 as the Father sent me, so I send you! (The apostles and their successors have the SAME mission, ministry, power, and authority as Jesus Christ!
To reject Christ teaching authority in his church is to reject Christ! Lk 10:16
2 Timothy 2:12
If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:
A dogma of the Catholic Church is defined as "a truth revealed by God, which the magisterium of the Church declared as binding on all the faithful, Dogma is the divinely revealed truth, declared as such by the infallible teaching authority of Jesus Christ in His holy church!
Dogma! Or De Fide! Or Thee faith!
The faith of Christians!
An inconvertible unchallengeable truth revealed by God!
Truth like God who revealed it is immutable! Unchangeable!
Christ is the truth! Jn 14:6
The church is the pillar of truth! 1 Tim 3:15
The one true church founded by Christ on the authority of the apostles is ir-reformable!
Hebrews 13:8
Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
Christ and his church are one! Acts 9:4 eph 4:5
Truth must be revealed by God, and in its fullness in the sacred deposit of faith by Christ to his church! Eph 4:5 Jude 1:3 and must be taught by the church, or proposed for our belief by the apostles!
Matt 28:19-20 Lk 1:4 Jn 20:21 acts 8:31 Rom 1:5 col 2:7 1 Tim 3:15
matt 18:17
Even His judging!
Matt 19:28 and 1 cor 6:2
His teaching authority!
Matt 28:19 and Jn 20:21
His power to forgive sins!
Jn 20:23
His being the light of the world!
Matt 5:14
His ministry of reconciliation!
2 cor 5:18
His authority in governing the church and administering the kingdom!
Matt 16:18-19 & 18:18 Jn 21:17
Lk 22:29
Apart from me you can do nothing. Jn 15:5
So the church is subject to Christ!
Eph 5:24
Christ shares His glory! 2 thes 1:10 rev 12:1
Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Matt 18:17 Acts 1:17 acts 8:31 & 35 acts 9:4 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 15:5 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20 acts 2:42
1 Tim 3:15
Fundamentalism drives a wedge between Christ and his church, separates Christ from His kingdom, and the authority of Christ from the new covenant!
1 Corinthians 16:22
If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema
Extends to the truth and the church
Cos Christ is the truth and His church teaches the truth without error! Jn 14:6 matt 28:19 matt 18:17 1 Tim 3:15 Jn 29:21-23 Jn 16:13
Christ and His church are one! Acts 9:4 eph 5:32
Authority of the Apostles!
What authority does Christ have?
What power does Christ have?
What mission / ministry does Christ have?
Peter, the apostles and their successors have the same authority, power, and mission! Jn 20:21 as my father sent me, even so send I you!
John 17:18
As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.
The apostles are Christ’s successors!
They have authority to send others as well, apostle means one who is sent!
Therefore the apostles have authority to send more apostles or successors!
Apostolic succession!
The nations still need to be taught, disciples still need to be baptized and the church the new covenant kingdom of christ still needs to be governed!
Hebrews 3:1
Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;
Christ is an apostle, and has authority to send other apostles, the apostles also have this authority, so the apostles continue down thru the centuries as Christ promised! Matt 28:19-20
Keys of authority! And power to bind and loose! Matt 16:18 and Matt 18:18 matt 28:19 Isa 22:21-22
Moral authority:
(Teaching)
Necessity of being taught by Christ:
Two edge sword: defining truth and condemning errors, and Interpreting scripture.
Jurisdictional authority:
(Governing / administering)
Necessity of Peter and the apostles and their successors to govern the holy church.
Spiritual authority:
(Life of Grace)
Sanctifying thru the mass and Sacraments
The apostles teaching is Christ’s teaching, Christ and His church are one! Acts 9:4
Christian rule of faith is not the Bible alone! But the doctrine of the apostles! Acts 2:42
Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Acts 1:17 acts 8:31 & 35 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 15:5 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20
Jesus is the truth!
Jn 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
Jn 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
To know the truth it is required to know Jesus Christ!
The truth is not some thing but somebody! Jesus Christ!
The church was a the extension of this truth! 1 Tim 3:15
Must hear Christ thru his church! Matt 18:17 Lk 10:16
The false doctrine of the “Bible alone” rejects Jesus Christ and his teaching authority in his apostles in holy church councils, dogmas and decrees etc.
Councils, creeds, dogma’s, catechisms and decrees of the church are binding on all the faithful and are the teaching of Christ!!!
Lk 10:16 16 He that heareth you heareth me; and he that despiseth you despiseth me; and he that despiseth me despiseth him that sent me.
Jn 20:21 as the Father sent me, so I send you! (The apostles and their successors have the SAME mission, ministry, power, and authority as Jesus Christ!
To reject Christ teaching authority in his church is to reject Christ! Lk 10:16
2 Timothy 2:12
If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:
A dogma of the Catholic Church is defined as "a truth revealed by God, which the magisterium of the Church declared as binding on all the faithful, Dogma is the divinely revealed truth, declared as such by the infallible teaching authority of Jesus Christ in His holy church!
Dogma! Or De Fide! Or Thee faith!
The faith of Christians!
An inconvertible unchallengeable truth revealed by God!
Truth like God who revealed it is immutable! Unchangeable!
Christ is the truth! Jn 14:6
The church is the pillar of truth! 1 Tim 3:15
The one true church founded by Christ on the authority of the apostles is ir-reformable!
Hebrews 13:8
Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
Christ and his church are one! Acts 9:4 eph 4:5
Truth must be revealed by God, and in its fullness in the sacred deposit of faith by Christ to his church! Eph 4:5 Jude 1:3 and must be taught by the church, or proposed for our belief by the apostles!
Matt 28:19-20 Lk 1:4 Jn 20:21 acts 8:31 Rom 1:5 col 2:7 1 Tim 3:15
matt 18:17
Jim B
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You wrote "Jesus Christ extends his mission, power, and authority to His church of His apostles!" That is not (and never was) the Catholic denomination.
I didn't read the rest of your post, as it's just the same cut-and-paste that you done over and over and over.
PUBLIC NOTICE:
It was my intention to continue on with this teaching today, however I have been come overcome by events. Therefore, I am providing two links where you can get the full teaching by the original author.
A number of years ago I contacted Dr. Bob Utley and asked for, and received, permission to teaches his course. As a Bible teacher, I do not originate all of my teaching material, but rely frequently on the work of others. Similar to a high school teacher who relies on the materials produced by other textbook authors. Due to my inability, here are both the original lectures and a interpretation of the entire Bible (reference) for your review.
This URL Biblical Interpretation Seminar by Dr. Bob Utley contains videos of Dr. Utley"s Bible study and seminar.
This URL Download Free Bible Study Software contains Dr. Utley"s commentary of the Bible. Check it out, it's somewhat different than what you may be used to.
I have no idea how much longer I'll be active on this forum, however, I hope to be able to contribute and comment on other threads in the future.
May your studies be fruitful.
It was my intention to continue on with this teaching today, however I have been come overcome by events. Therefore, I am providing two links where you can get the full teaching by the original author.
A number of years ago I contacted Dr. Bob Utley and asked for, and received, permission to teaches his course. As a Bible teacher, I do not originate all of my teaching material, but rely frequently on the work of others. Similar to a high school teacher who relies on the materials produced by other textbook authors. Due to my inability, here are both the original lectures and a interpretation of the entire Bible (reference) for your review.
This URL Biblical Interpretation Seminar by Dr. Bob Utley contains videos of Dr. Utley"s Bible study and seminar.
This URL Download Free Bible Study Software contains Dr. Utley"s commentary of the Bible. Check it out, it's somewhat different than what you may be used to.
I have no idea how much longer I'll be active on this forum, however, I hope to be able to contribute and comment on other threads in the future.
May your studies be fruitful.
I trust that God's peace will be felt during this time as you are overcome by events around you that consume your time and need to be present in those events.
May the Lord continue to Draw you and your loved ones into His Loving Embrace so that you remain secure in your relationship with God and His purposes for you and for those whom you also love.
Shalom
Johann
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I have Dr. Utley's teachings but you will be surprised that most here considered it a "commentary" and will tell you I study or read the bible only.
Sad, but true.
That is why I am not being edified on this platform.
J.
Johann, I understand. I have encountered such thinking before. All one can do is continue on.
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Johann
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Johann
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Absolutely correct-I have ancient rabbinical writings confirming that the HE is Yeshua HaMashiach.
Johann
Well-Known Member
I will be right here.I must apologize for my absence the past week or so. Things have been rather hectic around my place. I think we have settled down enough for me to get back to work. I should be able to post again by Monday (the 11th), provided, of course if there is anyone still around!
Johann.
Well, I am most grateful for the folks what found my musing to be of some value. Those who found fault with my stuff, thank you for your input.
Now, I have a 69 page compilation of a series of posts I presented on a minister forum some time ago. The posts were on the Instructions/Commandments of Jesus, edited (some what) into a 69 page article (a booklet? LOL). However the Attach files option does not work for text files. /sigh/ So, I am not sure on how to proceed.
There is a long introduction section that is critical to the actual study of the commandments themselves. If anyone is interested in the material, just message me with your internet addy and I will send you a copy. Or, email me at [email protected]. That will work too.
Now, I have a 69 page compilation of a series of posts I presented on a minister forum some time ago. The posts were on the Instructions/Commandments of Jesus, edited (some what) into a 69 page article (a booklet? LOL). However the Attach files option does not work for text files. /sigh/ So, I am not sure on how to proceed.
There is a long introduction section that is critical to the actual study of the commandments themselves. If anyone is interested in the material, just message me with your internet addy and I will send you a copy. Or, email me at [email protected]. That will work too.
Thanks Marks -
It worked. Of course the formatting got destroyed. So it doesn't nice as I desired, but the material survived! Oh yes: the grammar problems are all mine.
Added comment.
It worked. Of course the formatting got destroyed. So it doesn't nice as I desired, but the material survived! Oh yes: the grammar problems are all mine.
Added comment.
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