The 10 Commandments are FOREVER

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Ronald Nolette

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How does anything I said make me a Jew?But the 10 Commandments obeyed out of love for God are no Law.1 John 2:6
John 15:10
John 14:15
John 15:14
John 14:21-23
Matthew 5:19
... and many, many more.

Still waiting for you to explain this verse:

2 Corinthians 3:7-11
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7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:

8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?

9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.

10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.

11 For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.


Why do you ignore the other 603 commandments that God gave the same time He gave teh ten, which are a ministry of death, written in stone??
 
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If what you're saying were true, the way you're explaining it, that would mean that sin no longer exists for those people. But we see in Scripture that is just not the case. 1 John 3:4 tells us sin is the breaking of the 10 Commandments. John would not have mentioned this if Christians, who had been saved, were now free from ever having to worry about sin again. It's just not Biblical.This verse aligns perfectly with Hebrews 9:10 which tells us it was the Law of Ordinances that was done away with at Christ's coming and Crucifixion; that time of reformation.

Also, we see that the 10 Commandments were in effect before the event at Sinai due to the mention of the Sabbath in Exodus 16. Sinai, and all the additional commandments, didn't happen until Exodus 20.

Therefore, it was the Mosaic 613 Ceremonial/Sacrificial Laws of Ordinances that were added as you say; added at the event at Sinai. The 10 Commandments were never part of that, as they were the only Commands written in stone, they were separate, and they were never to be repealed; as 1 John 3:4 makes evident.
Now no longer under OT Law, but NT Grcae, as now under the better and surer new Covenant!
 
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Now no longer under OT Law, but NT Grcae, as now under the better and surer new Covenant!
Yes, and that New Covenant is the 10 Commandments on our hearts via the Holy Spirit.

No longer to be obeyed in fear of retribution, but obeyed in love for God Almighty. Made possible by the indwelling of the Spirit of God which provides the desire to obey, as well as the assistance to accomplish the obedience.
 

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Yes, and that New Covenant is the 10 Commandments on our hearts via the Holy Spirit.

No longer to be obeyed in fear of retribution, but obeyed in love for God Almighty. Made possible by the indwelling of the Spirit of God which provides the desire to obey, as well as the assistance to accomplish the obedience.
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And ... ?
Try connecting the dots. If people cannot keep the law (whether they pretend to or not) and yet they tell others to and act as if they do, they are hypocrites. That was what the picture was about. Reread for comprehension.
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Mat 23:3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not
 
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Mat 23:3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not
:D

The very verse you posted is saying the opposite of the point you are trying to make. Read it again.

Matthew 23:1-3
Jesus is telling His disciples, and all the crowd present, that the scribes and Pharisees are teachers of the Law (they sit in Moses' seat). He is saying "do what they teach, but not what they do" ("these do and observe") because they teach the 10 Commandments, but they themselves do not keep them.

And, again, James 3:2 proves that we are to work to keep them. Otherwise there would be no stumbling, or offending the Holy Spirit with our sinning (breaking of the 10 Commandments per 1 John 3:4).
 

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:D

The very verse you posted is saying the opposite of the point you are trying to make. Read it again.

Matthew 23:1-3
Jesus is telling His disciples, and all the crowd present, that the scribes and Pharisees are teachers of the Law (they sit in Moses' seat). He is saying "do what they teach, but not what they do" ("these do and observe") because they teach the 10 Commandments, but they themselves do not keep them.

And, again, James 3:2 proves that we are to work to keep them. Otherwise there would be no stumbling, or offending the Holy Spirit with our sinning (breaking of the 10 Commandments per 1 John 3:4).
They were rip off artists. Hypocrites. They did not keep the law. No one ever did except Jesus. Get over it. Jesus is the way, not laws that cannot be kept.
 

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"The works of His hands are verity and judgment; all His Commandments are sure. They stand fast for ever and ever, and are done in Truth and uprightness."
Psalms 111:7-8

Who are the 10 Commandments written to?
They are written to all God's Children.

Who are God's Children? Let's see.

God is a spirit. Those who worship Him (His Children) must worship Him in spirit and in Truth.
John 4:24

Spiritual Israel are God's Children; NOT any physical/fleshly race - for "...they which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God:.."
Romans 9:8

Is God's Law a physical Law or a Spiritual Law?
"For we know that the Law is spiritual:..."
Romans 7:14

"Now therefore hearken, O Israel, unto the statutes and unto the judgments, which I teach you, (those who do them and keep them may go to heaven.)...Ye shall not add unto (them), neither shall ye diminish (them)..., that ye might keep the Commandments of the Lord your God ..."
Deuteronomy 4:1-2

NOTE: this chapter speaks nothing of the Mosaic/Ceremonial laws. It is ONLY referring to the 10 Commandments which ARE God's Law.

"And He declared unto you ... Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on tables of stone."
Deuteronomy 4:13

And what if His Children stop obeying His Commandments?

"... the Lord shall scatter you among the nations, and ye shall be left few in number among the heathen,..."
Deuteronomy 4:27

We are living this reality today. Scattered far and wide; few and far between among the nations.

"But if from thence thou shalt seek the Lord thy God, thou shalt find Him, if thou seek Him with all thy heart and with all thy soul.
(This next verse is PROOF POSITIVE that the Commandments are still valid to this very day.)
When thou art in tribulation, and all these things are come upon thee, even in the latter days (end times), if thou turn to the Lord thy God, and shalt be obedient unto His voice; (For the Lord thy God is a merciful God; ) He will not forsake thee, neither destroy thee, nor forget the covenant of thy fathers (10 Commandments) which He sware unto them."
Deuteronomy 4:29-31

"The works of His hands are verity and judgment; all His Commandments are sure. They stand fast for ever and ever, and are done in Truth and uprightness."
Psalms 111:7-8

"My covenant will I not break nor alter (forever) the thing that has gone out of My lips."
Psalms 89:34

"For I am the Lord, I change not; ..."
Malachi 3:6

Well, at least commanding a Sabbath for Christians to keep, will apparently go on forever.
 

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Has anyone noticed that the the Sabbath commanders never speak of worshiping in Spirit and in truth?

All they speak of is the outer day, but nothing of the inner man.

You know a cult, when they are the only ones doing something outwardly as by law, and cannot stand others not doing the same.

And the inward parts mean nothing. Whether it be Sabbath day keeping, water baptism, or outwardly holiness rules.
 
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Has anyone noticed that the the Sabbath commanders never speak of worshiping in Spirit and in truth?

All they speak of is the outer day, but nothing of the inner man.

You know a cult, when they are the only ones doing something outwardly as by law, and cannot stand others not doing the same.

And the inward parts mean nothing. Whether it be Sabbath day keeping, water baptism, or outwardly holiness rules.
The letter kills but the Spirit makes alive
 
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"The works of His hands are verity and judgment; all His Commandments are sure. They stand fast for ever and ever, and are done in Truth and uprightness."
Psalms 111:7-8

Who are the 10 Commandments written to?
They are written to all God's Children.

Who are God's Children? Let's see.

God is a spirit. Those who worship Him (His Children) must worship Him in spirit and in Truth.
John 4:24

Spiritual Israel are God's Children; NOT any physical/fleshly race - for "...they which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God:.."
Romans 9:8

Is God's Law a physical Law or a Spiritual Law?
"For we know that the Law is spiritual:..."
Romans 7:14

"Now therefore hearken, O Israel, unto the statutes and unto the judgments, which I teach you, (those who do them and keep them may go to heaven.)...Ye shall not add unto (them), neither shall ye diminish (them)..., that ye might keep the Commandments of the Lord your God ..."
Deuteronomy 4:1-2

NOTE: this chapter speaks nothing of the Mosaic/Ceremonial laws. It is ONLY referring to the 10 Commandments which ARE God's Law.

"And He declared unto you ... Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on tables of stone."
Deuteronomy 4:13

And what if His Children stop obeying His Commandments?

"... the Lord shall scatter you among the nations, and ye shall be left few in number among the heathen,..."
Deuteronomy 4:27

We are living this reality today. Scattered far and wide; few and far between among the nations.

"But if from thence thou shalt seek the Lord thy God, thou shalt find Him, if thou seek Him with all thy heart and with all thy soul.
(This next verse is PROOF POSITIVE that the Commandments are still valid to this very day.)
When thou art in tribulation, and all these things are come upon thee, even in the latter days (end times), if thou turn to the Lord thy God, and shalt be obedient unto His voice; (For the Lord thy God is a merciful God; ) He will not forsake thee, neither destroy thee, nor forget the covenant of thy fathers (10 Commandments) which He sware unto them."
Deuteronomy 4:29-31

"The works of His hands are verity and judgment; all His Commandments are sure. They stand fast for ever and ever, and are done in Truth and uprightness."
Psalms 111:7-8

"My covenant will I not break nor alter (forever) the thing that has gone out of My lips."
Psalms 89:34

"For I am the Lord, I change not; ..."
Malachi 3:6
I haven't seen a thread this thorough on the topic anywhere before.

very well said.

and I have some new verses for fodder.
 

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Moses Law and the 10 Commandments are given to sinners on earth.
They are for this world.

They do not exist in the Kingdom of God, as ... Does God and Christ need them?

So, here is the reality.

The born again, the CHRISTian, exists in the KOG, already, so, this is why we are...."not under the law, but under Grace".

We can use the 10 commandments of course, as they establish a lifestyle and behavioral boundary, and they always exist as Holy.
 
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