What is the Price Jesus Paid?

robert derrick · Jun 23, 2022

Some say He paid the price of death for past sins.

Other think He paid the price for judgment of sinning.

The one says, He paid the price of death, that we could be forgiven of past sins.

The other says, He paid the price of judgment for sinning, that we could not be judged for sinning present and future.

quietthinker · Jun 23, 2022

What is the Price Jesus Paid?
Divesting himself for eternity for the sake of love.
His identification with human limitations as far as we know has no precedent in other of his creation.

RedFan · Jun 24, 2022

robert derrick said:
Some say He paid the price of death for past sins.

Other think He paid the price for judgment of sinning.

The one says, He paid the price of death, that we could be forgiven of past sins.

The other says, He paid the price of judgment for sinning, that we could not be judged for sinning present and future.

The flip side of this is, TO WHOM was the price paid? Satan, as a ransom? God, to square a debt that He could not (or would not) otherwise forgive? Someone else?

farouk · Jun 24, 2022

"It is finished" (John 19.30)

Bob Estey · Jun 25, 2022

robert derrick said:
Some say He paid the price of death for past sins.

Other think He paid the price for judgment of sinning.

The one says, He paid the price of death, that we could be forgiven of past sins.

The other says, He paid the price of judgment for sinning, that we could not be judged for sinning present and future.

He humbled himself and endured all the hate the world could throw at him, including crucifixion, so we could be saved from our sin.

robert derrick · Jun 25, 2022

RedFan said:
The flip side of this is, TO WHOM was the price paid? Satan, as a ransom? God, to square a debt that He could not (or would not) otherwise forgive? Someone else?

To the one who smote Him: the Father who turned His eyes from His own Son, when He took the sins of the world upon His own soul.

Thou art of purer eyes than to behold evil, and canst not look on iniquity.

And so both Son and Father now can forgive sins for them that repent.

The delusion is that God no longer looks upon and refuses to see the sins them sinning, that claim the name of Jesus.

Since God turned from His own Son's souls, because of our sins, then much more does He turn from souls committing their own sins.

Candidus · Jun 27, 2022

Perhaps one should start with Scripture and not their manmade theories to determine Scriptural things.

Jesus didn't "pay" anything on the Cross, or Scripture would have used pay/paid to describe it. So, why are we trying to expound upon something the Bible never says?

Earburner · Jun 28, 2022

Candidus said:
Perhaps one should start with Scripture and not their manmade theories to determine Scriptural things.

Jesus didn't "pay" anything on the Cross, or Scripture would have used pay/paid to describe it. So, why are we trying to expound upon something the Bible never says?

Acts.20[28] Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

amadeus · Jun 28, 2022

farouk said:
"It is finished" (John 19.30)

Indeed, for Jesus, his personal work as a man among men was finished, but what do these verses mean?

"Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,
Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God." Heb 12:1-2

amadeus · Jun 28, 2022

Candidus said:
Perhaps one should start with Scripture and not their manmade theories to determine Scriptural things.

Jesus didn't "pay" anything on the Cross, or Scripture would have used pay/paid to describe it. So, why are we trying to expound upon something the Bible never says?

Did Jesus not simply open the door/gate to the Tree of Life which had been closed as a result of the disobedience in Eden?

Earburner · Jun 28, 2022

robert derrick said:
To the one who smote Him: the Father who turned His eyes from His own Son, when He took the sins of the world upon His own soul.

Thou art of purer eyes than to behold evil, and canst not look on iniquity.

And so both Son and Father now can forgive sins for them that repent.

The delusion is that God no longer looks upon and refuses to see the sins them sinning, that claim the name of Jesus.

Since God turned from His own Son's souls, because of our sins, then much more does He turn from souls committing their own sins.

Col.3
[1] If ye then be risen with Christ [Born again], seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.
[2] Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.
[3] For ye are dead, and
your life
is hid [covered, concealed, hidden]**
with Christ
in God.
[4] When Christ, who is [now] our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.

** Note: "hid"- Strongs G2928

Candidus · Jun 30, 2022

Earburner said:
Acts.20[28] Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

Notice that you could not come up with paid/payment!

Discretion · Jun 30, 2022

Candidus said:
Notice that you could not come up with paid/payment!

Interesting to know what you, Candidus, come up with concerning what Christ accomplished on the cross. There are those who enjoy pointing out the word "rapture" is not found in scripture yet its definition is.

Candidus · Jun 30, 2022

Whatever happened on the Cross was not a payment, or God would have made it clear. To add it and use the concept to arrive at other doctrines is fantasy, not theology or exegesis.

It is sufficient to say that my view of the Atonement does not include payment and does not deny 'cost' or a 'price' which is Scriptural.

Enoch111 · Jun 30, 2022

Candidus said:
Notice that you could not come up with paid/payment!

One does not necessarily need to see the word "paid". The finished work of Christ is called A RANSOM. And a ransom price is paid in order to redeem or deliver someone. So here are the Scriptures which speak of a ransom:

Then he is gracious unto him, and saith, Deliver him from going down to the pit: I have found a ransom (Heb kofer = the price of a life). (Job 33:24)

None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom (kofer) for him (Ps 49:7)

I will ransom (Heb pada = redeem) them from the power of the grave; I will redeem them from death: O death, I will be thy plagues; O grave, I will be thy destruction: repentance shall be hid from mine eyes. (Hos 13:14)

Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom (Gk lutron = the price for redeeming) for many. (Mt 20:28; Mk 10:45)

For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; Who gave himself a ransom (Gk antilutron =what is given in exchange for another as the price of his redemption, ransom) for all, to be testified in due time. (1 Tim 2:5,6)

Is there a contradiction between "a ransom for many" and "a ransom for all"? Not at all. While the ransom was paid for all of humanity, not all will believe and obey the Gospel. Hence "the many" (which are also relatively "the few"). Since all will not believe, all will not be redeemed.

There was a "sin debt" to be paid to God before He could be reconciled to mankind, and then only could sinners be ransomed or redeemed. And that is the "ransom" which Christ paid with His "one great sacrifice for sin" (He gave His life, His blood, and the offering of His soul, through the intense suffering of Hell within Himself. See Isaiah 53).

Enoch111 · Jun 30, 2022

Candidus said:
Whatever happened on the Cross was not a payment, or God would have made it clear. To add it and use the concept to arrive at other doctrines is fantasy, not theology or exegesis. It is sufficient to say that my view of the Atonement does not include payment and does not deny 'cost' or a 'price' which is Scriptural.

You are not only contradicting the Bible, but making light of the sacrifice of Christ. IOW you are treading on thin ice.

Earburner · Jul 1, 2022

Candidus said:
Notice that you could not come up with paid/payment!

It is quite evident to all here, that you choose to neglect the understanding of the words purchased and/or paid in the English language, as well as the Greek, for your own purposes.
As to why, no one knows.
Because you are not offering your personal interpretation, we can assume that is derived from your private interpretation. 2 Peter 1:20
Strong's Number - G4046
Greek: περιποιέομαι
Transliteration: peripoieomai
Pronunciation: per-ee-poy-eh'-om-ahee
Definition: Middle voice from G4012 and G4160; to make around oneself that is acquire (buy): - purchase.
KJV Usage: purchase (2x).
Occurs: 2
In verses: 2

RedFan · Jul 1, 2022

Candidus said:
Notice that you could not come up with paid/payment!

First Corinthians, however, suggests payment. 1 Cor. 6:20 and 1 Cor. 7:23. I can't imagine what else you think Paul meant here, Candidus, if not payment.

farouk · Jul 1, 2022

"It is finished" (John 19.30) is what the Lord Jesus said when He wondrously paid the price for sin at the Cross.

RedFan · Jul 1, 2022

Candidus said:
Whatever happened on the Cross was not a payment, or God would have made it clear.

Well, I think God DID make it clear, but let's assume for sake of argument that He didn't make it clear. Your notion that Calvary could not have achieved a payment because otherwise "God would have made it clear" is just silly. If Scripture contained no ambiguity, internet sites like this one would have a lot fewer posts! There would be no disagreements on any matter of interpretation (except, perhaps, by idiots - and maybe that's what you think everyone who disagrees with you is).

Reasonable minds can differ on interpretation of Scripture. I humbly suggest to you, Candidus, that you do not possess the only reasonable mind on the planet.

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