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farouk

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Well being an Episcopalian priest notwithstanding I shall cite a lengthy article from a catholic encyclopedia:

CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Sacrifice of the Mass

And this brief excerpt:


CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Sacrifice of the Mass - New ...
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Since the Mass is nothing else than a continual repetition, commanded by Christ Himself, of the Sacrifice accomplished at the Last Supper, it follows that the ..

Now t4he word repetition simply means doing again and again. So the Catholics believe they are repeating the sacrifice of Calvary. n Several Couoncils also pronounced Anathemas to those who do not believe in the perpetual sacrifice of the mass.
@Ronald Nolette John 19.30: "It is finished".

Hebrews 9: "Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many".
 

Philip James

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. They either do not know the meaning of the word sacrifice

I notice you didnt answer my question. Perhaps it is you who dont know the meaning of sacrifice..

As for perpetual. Well in the time it took me to write this there were prob hundreds of Mass's being celebrated.. It is certainly true that only the sacrifoce of the Eucharist can possibly fulfill this:

For from the rising of the sun, even to its setting, my name is great among the nations; And everywhere they bring sacrifice to my name, and a pure offering; For great is my name among the nations, says the LORD of hosts.

And of course, the Church recognized this from the very beginning:

1. On the Lord's Day of the Lord come together, break bread and hold Eucharist, after confessing your transgressions that your offering may be pure;
2. But let none who has a quarrel with his fellow join in your meeting until they be reconciled, that your sacrifice be not defiled.
3. For this is that which was spoken by the Lord, "In every place and time offer me a pure sacrifice, for I am a great king," saith the Lord, "and my name is wonderful among the heathen."

~The Didache~

Christ is risen!
Alleluia!
 
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Roman Catholics do not hold that the Mass is repeating the sacrifice of Christ. By current interpretations, that sacrifice is being realized―rather than repeated―through the consecration and offering of the elements in a mystical union stretching across the bridge of time and space.

I have yet to find a better exposition of this view than the following excerpt from an 1884 sermon given by an Episcopal priest, Daniel C. Roberts (1841-1907), on the twenty-fifth anniversary of the consecration of his church building, St. Paul’s, in Concord, New Hampshire:

"Christ hath offered and been offered once for all. But that one offering stands in the eternity of the being of God, free from the bond and measure of time, and He who made the offering stands in the royal Priesthood of Melchisedek, without beginning of days or end of life. We, in our feebleness, measure by days, by years, by anniversaries, generations, ages, centuries, cycles, but eternity with God is an everlasting now, and time is not. And so we plead, and the church ceases not to plead, the sacrifice of Christ. We do it day by day, year by year, and the narrow, scoffing unbeliever dares to say that we think to repeat the sacrifice many times. But it is not so. In the presence of that altar of the one sacrifice, in the presence of the cross of Calvary, we stand to-day; and we share to-day, by His own gift and benediction, the very Priesthood of Him who offers that sacrifice. We are made an holy Priesthood, offering unceasingly, as our constant and availing plea, but not renewing, that which is never old, never anything but new, the sacrifice of Christ."

Hi Redfan,

That is very well written! It is One and the same sacrifice that Christ offered at the last supper 'when the hour had come'...

It is Christ who offers and Christ who is the victim, He unites our offerings of praise and thanksgiving, yes even our very selves, with His ONE offering..

Through Him,
With Him,
In Him,

In the unity of the Holy Spirit

All Glory and Honour is yours,
Almighty Father!

Forever and ever


Christ is risen!
Alleluia!
 

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I notice you didnt answer my question. Perhaps it is you who dont know the meaning of sacrifice..

As for perpetual. Well in the time it took me to write this there were prob hundreds of Mass's being celebrated.. It is certainly true that only the sacrifoce of the Eucharist can possibly fulfill this:

For from the rising of the sun, even to its setting, my name is great among the nations; And everywhere they bring sacrifice to my name, and a pure offering; For great is my name among the nations, says the LORD of hosts.

And of course, the Church recognized this from the very beginning:

1. On the Lord's Day of the Lord come together, break bread and hold Eucharist, after confessing your transgressions that your offering may be pure;
2. But let none who has a quarrel with his fellow join in your meeting until they be reconciled, that your sacrifice be not defiled.
3. For this is that which was spoken by the Lord, "In every place and time offer me a pure sacrifice, for I am a great king," saith the Lord, "and my name is wonderful among the heathen."

~The Didache~

Christ is risen!
Alleluia!

The Lord never told us that communion was a sacrifice but an event we partake in to remember what He did.

The Roman Church repeats his sacrifice in every Communion service or so they think. but that is simply untrue no matter how many romanists sayi so.

I know the meaning of sacrifice. And I also know the meaning of repetition and perpetual. And when the Catholic church uses those words to describe the Lords Supper, they are saying they are repeating the death of Jesus at every mass.
 
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I know the meaning of sacrifice. And I also know the meaning of repetition and perpetual. And when the Catholic church uses those words to describe the Lords Supper, they are saying they are repeating the death of Jesus at every mass.

My dear Ronald,

You misunderstand. The offering of Jesus' ONE death is repeated at every Mass.

It is the sacrifice offered by Jesus 'when the time had come'

You shall keep it until the fourteenth day of this month, and then, with the whole assembly of Israel present, it shall be slaughtered during the evening twilight.

It is the living sacrifice of the Lamb of God, who once was slain and now lives forever,

We offer that which God in His goodness has given us, the Bread of Life, the Chalice of Salvation,

To which our glorious High Preist unites the praise and thanksgiving of His body, the Church.

It is Christ who offers, and Christ who is the victim and it is right and just that we offer ourselves in union with Him!

Through Him
With Him and
In Him

In the unity of the Holy Spirit

All glory and honour are yours
Almighty Father

Forever and ever


Christ is risen!
Alleluia!
 

Philip James

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That is just playing with words to justify an unbiblical belief!

Wow, just wow..

.how much more scripture do you want?

Look at Israel according to the flesh; are not those who eat the sacrifices participants in the altar?

'Playing with words' is deceitfully portraying the Orthdox Catholic faith as teaching and believing that Jesus dies over and over again.. To assert such and claim to know what Catholics practice is deceiful on its face.

You should retract it

Christ is risen!
Alleluia!
 

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Wow, just wow..

.how much more scripture do you want?

Look at Israel according to the flesh; are not those who eat the sacrifices participants in the altar?

'Playing with words' is deceitfully portraying the Orthdox Catholic faith as teaching and believing that Jesus dies over and over again.. To assert such and claim to know what Catholics practice is deceiful on its face.

You should retract it

Christ is risen!
Alleluia!

Well being a former Romanist and even attending catholic schoolsK-12 and even spending a semester in seminary, I have a great idea of what the perpetual sacrifice of the mass and repeating the death of Jesus at every mass means. It means exactly what the Romanists teach. They have been intelligent for millenia and know what words mean.

I shall not retract what rome teaches.
 

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Well being a former Romanist and even attending catholic schoolsK-12 and even spending a semester in seminary, I have a great idea of what the perpetual sacrifice of the mass and repeating the death of Jesus at every mass means. It means exactly what the Romanists teach. They have been intelligent for millenia and know what words mean.

I shall not retract what rome teaches.

'Playing with words' is deceitfully portraying the Orthdox Catholic faith as teaching and believing that Jesus dies over and over again.. To assert such and claim to know what Catholics practice is deceiful on its face.

Welcome to the ignore list.

Christ is risen!
Alleluia!
 

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My best guess is our dear sister nancy , who is not a calvnist , and that by choice , WOULD NEVER FOLLOW NANCY PELOSI and her church .
When i first seen this title i thought it was about sister nancy .
 

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1 pet 1:7 That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:

1 pet 2:20 For what glory is it, if, when ye be buffeted for your faults, ye shall take it patiently? but if, when ye do well, and suffer for it, ye take it patiently, this is acceptable with God.

21 For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps:
 

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And yet American Bishops have denied her Communion as they well should, so she goes to Rome and the highest Bishop in authority over the whole Church the one that claims to be the representation of Christ on Earth goes and gives her Communion, despite her being pro-gay and pro-abortion, two of the main things the Catholic Church is against, yet he gives Communion to someone who advocates everything the Church is against.

Tell me something is not afoul with this Pontifex Maximus.
 
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And yet American Bishops have denied her Communion as they well should, so she goes to Rome and the highest Bishop in authority over the whole Church the one that claims to be the representation of Christ on Earth goes and gives her Communion, despite her being pro-gay and pro-abortion, two of the main things the Catholic Church is against, yet he gives Communion to someone who advocates everything the Church is against.

Tell me something is not afoul with this Pontifex Maximus.

how do you know he is a valid supreme Roman pontiff?
 

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there have been invalid popes
Which actually invalidates the papacy. The entire claim of the papacy is that it is supernatural, leading from the apostle Peter to Communist Pope Francis. But when popes are rascals, it means that the papacy itself is totally invalid. Which means that you should not be supporting nonsense but coming out of the Catholic Church.

What Francis did to undermine his own archbishop was outrageous and preposterous. Nancy Pelosi had no business going to the Vatican to validate her evil self. And the Pope had no business allowing her to partake of the Eucharist.
 
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